Buying a motorbike from europe

Teothican

Hi guys
Does anyone know a shipping group that would pick up a bike from europe (Germany) and deliver to dublin and would there be tax due on the import ?

Victor

Wouldn't it be a left-hand drive?

At a minimum, you would have to pay VRT and motor tax. If you reclaim the VAT in th country of origin or if it is a new bike, VAT would also b due.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

Coming into summer sure depending on the bike it would be a grand road trip !

Vrt on a motorcycle is €1 for every cc.

But if the bike is hear enough new you may have vat on it.

punisher5112

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Coming into summer sure depending on the bike it would be a grand road trip !

Vrt on a motorcycle is €1 for every cc.

But if the bike is hear enough new you may have vat on it.

6 months or under 6k isn't it..

Del2005

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Coming into summer sure depending on the bike it would be a grand road trip !

Vrt on a motorcycle is €1 for every cc.

But if the bike is hear enough new you may have vat on it.

€2 for the first 350cc and then €1 for the rest, 10% off for each year since registered.

Teothican

ok thanks for the answer guys

galwaytt

Teothican wrote: »

Hi guys
Does anyone know a shipping group that would pick up a bike from europe (Germany) and deliver to dublin and would there be tax due on the import ?

Jarvis Transport will collect in EU and deliver here : I've used them myself.

https://www.facebook.com/jarvistransireland/

Cienciano

Calculate the VRT here: https://www.ros.ie/evrt-enquiry/vrtenquiry.html?execution=e1s2

On a mid 90's VFR 750 it came to around €100, older bikes are fairly cheap.

Henry Ford III

Riding a bike back from Germany could be great fun over a week or so.

Cheap flight (eventually) and your gear in some soft panniers and away you go. Plan your daily route and away you go. Just stop off wherever you want and use an accommodation app to check in for the night.

If the weather is decent it could be great fun.

Cienciano

Ferry from Cherborg to Rosslare with a bike is €100 for the random date I put in.

listermint

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Riding a bike back from Germany could be great fun over a week or so.

Cheap flight (eventually) and your gear in some soft panniers and away you go. Plan your daily route and away you go. Just stop off wherever you want and use an accommodation app to check in for the night.

If the weather is decent it could be great fun.

Bliss !!

Cienciano

listermint wrote: »

Bliss !!

The idea of a week away from everyone, no lockdowns, picking up a new bike and having plenty of time to take the scenic way home sounds like heaven at the moment! In fact, you wouldn't want to buy it in northern france, you'd be looking at northern italy or bavaria purely for the longer drive home

Victor

This is all very romantic, but what if said new (to you?) bike breaks down?

listermint

Victor wrote: »

This is all very romantic, but what if said new (to you?) bike breaks down?

No way. Bikes have motors in them really


This is news to me.

Victor

listermint wrote: »

No way. Bikes have motors in them really


This is news to me.

My point being that a known entity is different to an unknown entity.

Del2005

Victor wrote: »

This is all very romantic, but what if said new (to you?) bike breaks down?

If you don't already have European recovery on your insurance policy buy European recovery.

zubair

Right, Victor's not invited to the boards euro trip extravaganza!

listermint

Victor wrote: »

My point being that a known entity is different to an unknown entity.

And if I step out my front door with no jacket , it could rain.


Lord take me now. This world is too much

Breezin

listermint wrote: »

And if I step out my front door with no jacket , it could rain.


Lord take me now. This world is too much

I got soaked yesterday! :-)

Cienciano

Victor wrote: »

This is all very romantic, but what if said new (to you?) bike breaks down?

Literally any bike can break down. But yeah, recovery on the insurance covers europe usually

Jimmy Bottlehead

Someone THAT risk adverse probably wouldn't ride a bike in the first place! :P

Teothican

when do you pay VRT on the bike does the Revenue get in contact with the buyer or do you simply go on there site and pay ? also when it comes to the license plate how do i acquire a new one for the irish roads and where do i register the new plate/Fee ?

CJhaughey

You go to the NCT centre that does VRT, and pay them there, you will be given a number plate number and you can get one made up afterwards.
The motortax is paid to the County council through Motortax.ie and once you pay the logbook is issued.

GBX

Teothican wrote: »

when do you pay VRT on the bike does the Revenue get in contact with the buyer or do you simply go on there site and pay ? also when it comes to the license plate how do i acquire a new one for the irish roads and where do i register the new plate/Fee ?

You have to book an appointment with your local VRT centre. They would inspect it: model, make all matches and that its above the 6000km. You pay your money to them there- begrudgingly - then go online to tax it and you'll receive the log book in the post.
You will be given the reg number and you can go to a local motor factors or order a new plate online.

galwaytt

Victor wrote: »

My point being that a known entity is different to an unknown entity.

Technically a brand new bike is also an 'unkown entity'.... #justsayin'

K.Flyer

This thread seems to have come along at a very appropriate time for me. Have been contemplating getting back on a bike after a good few years absence and was wonder how the import duty worked out importing a bike, so thanks to those for the info.
Now I hate hijacking a thread, but..
Does anyone know how it works if you build a bike from scratch.
For example, importing an unused non registered frame and building it from there?
Is there a duty or what is the procedure for registration when it's finished.

Del2005

K.Flyer wrote: »

This thread seems to have come along at a very appropriate time for me. Have been contemplating getting back on a bike after a good few years absence and was wonder how the import duty worked out importing a bike, so thanks to those for the info.
Now I hate hijacking a thread, but..
Does anyone know how it works if you build a bike from scratch.
For example, importing an unused non registered frame and building it from there?
Is there a duty or what is the procedure for registration when it's finished.

Still considered a vehicle and would be considered new, the frame or chassis is the vehicle*, since they can't verify the mileage . Otherwise everyone would have taken a new vehicle apart and brought it over on a trailer.


*it's really the VIN plate which is why so many people are driving modern Landrovers and other cars on classic plates, while they are supposed to swap the new parts to the old chassis they just swap the VIN from the old one to the new one.

K.Flyer

I get what your saying, but if I was to go down that route I would have receipts for lots of separate individual items.
I suppose they would just add it all up and charge as new, with the value based on receipts.
Might phone them and see what way they say.

Sir Galahad

The OP wanted to know about shipping a bike from Germany, so unlike most of the posts here I'll add something of relevance. Try Overlanders in Gorey, they have a base in Memmingen that they used for shipping pre Covid. Despite what some of the people here think about riding back from Germany, don't do it. Covid has closed a lot of places (B&B's Hotels etc etc) and a roadtrip would not be fun.

K.Flyer

Sir Galahad wrote: »

The OP wanted to know about shipping a bike from Germany, so unlike most of the posts here I'll add something of relevance. Try Overlanders in Gorey, they have a base in Memmingen that they used for shipping pre Covid. Despite what some of the people here think about riding back from Germany, don't do it. Covid has closed a lot of places (B&B's Hotels etc etc) and a roadtrip would not be fun.

No joke not being able to find somewhere to stay while getting soaked in the rain..

Del2005

K.Flyer wrote: »

I get what your saying, but if I was to go down that route I would have receipts for lots of separate individual items.
I suppose they would just add it all up and charge as new, with the value based on receipts.
Might phone them and see what way they say.

You would have a chassis with zero km, so it's considered a new vehicle. You have to register it within 30 days of import of the chassis. So if you import a BMW S1000rr chassis you'll be taxed on a bringing in a new BMW S1000rr, what you stick on after is irrelevant.

As I said if you could do what you are saying then the boat would be full of car shells being imported and brought to the NCT or VRT inspection. Are many people bringing in vehicle shells?

Mjolnir

Del2005 wrote: »

You would have a chassis with zero km, so it's considered a new vehicle. You have to register it within 30 days of import of the chassis. So if you import a BMW S1000rr chassis you'll be taxed on a bringing in a new BMW S1000rr, what you stick on after is irrelevant.

As I said if you could do what you are saying then the boat would be full of car shells being imported and brought to the NCT or VRT inspection. Are many people bringing in vehicle shells?

You can't vrt a shell or frame full stop the vechicle has to be able to run on its own power at the time its examined.

Also your 6,000km is based on what's on the clocks not what milage the shell/frame may have done, clock with 6,001km on it isn't considered a new vechicle as long as its older than 6 months.

You have to register within 30 days of the vechicle coming in again you can't register a shell/frame

Issues arise when importing custom frames because you'll need a Cert of conformity, a registration for that frame and vin, maybe an engineers report.

There are people bringing in frames and shells and revinning them.

He could do what he's thinking of but he'll run into some problems.
1. You can't vrt a frame so he'll most likely face penalties.
2. If its a custom frame, it will be a serious pain because it won't be on the system and some states don't actually register custom frames in the way we see on say biker build off. Then you have engineers reports etc.
3. They'll assign a random value if its a custom frame.
4. Insuring it later will be a pain

K.Flyer

Yeah, I think I will have to phone them to get some clarification as I do see where I could run into some problems like you have listed.
My thoughts are for a full ground up custom build, with a frame from an indie manufacturer, possibly a revtech motor, then build the rest of it up from there, but what happens when I want to get it registered or insured is my worry.

Mjolnir

K.Flyer wrote: »

Yeah, I think I will have to phone them to get some clarification as I do see where I could run into some problems like you have listed.
My thoughts are for a full ground up custom build, with a frame from an indie manufacturer, possibly a revtech motor, then build the rest of it up from there, but what happens when I want to get it registered or insured is my worry.

Well problems will be
1 is finding a frame builder that can provide you a registered frame. Registration works very differently in a lot of countries.
2. Full ground up custom to an insurer is either a no hoper or get your bank manager on the line.
3. You won't be able to prove the full bike came in at any stage so that would be incredibly fun to deal with.
4. They'll assign a completely arbitrary value, that would involve Google which if they come across certain builders builds, because they're similar, you'll be royally screwed.

A lot of people just revin the frame, if that was an idea I'd 100% tell the insurance its been chopped and get an engineers report they'll use any excuse to void a claim.

Honestly work like that in Ireland is 100% a pain and usually not feasible.

It'd be more expensive but having someone build and register a bike in whatever country then importing g it would be much easier.

There's a reason the custom guys here used to chop frames not build them.

K.Flyer

Used to do a lot of bike building many years ago, but it was always made more simple by working on an existing bike.
I'll have to do some detailed research before venturing down that road.
But thanks for some of the pointers to consider..

Del2005

Mjolnir wrote: »

Well problems will be
1 is finding a frame builder that can provide you a registered frame. Registration works very differently in a lot of countries.
2. Full ground up custom to an insurer is either a no hoper or get your bank manager on the line.
3. You won't be able to prove the full bike came in at any stage so that would be incredibly fun to deal with.
4. They'll assign a completely arbitrary value, that would involve Google which if they come across certain builders builds, because they're similar, you'll be royally screwed.

A lot of people just revin the frame, if that was an idea I'd 100% tell the insurance its been chopped and get an engineers report they'll use any excuse to void a claim.

Honestly work like that in Ireland is 100% a pain and usually not feasible.

It'd be more expensive but having someone build and register a bike in whatever country then importing g it would be much easier.

There's a reason the custom guys here used to chop frames not build them.

Good thing about bikes is that the VRT is set a €2 to 350cc and €1 for every cc over that, so they can't screw you on value.

Mjolnir

Del2005 wrote: »

Good thing about bikes is that the VRT is set a €2 to 350cc and €1 for every cc over that, so they can't screw you on value.

You're forgetting vat, if it was to be charged on a one off you'd be as well have a tub of vasoline on hand.
If its a full custom from the UK, oz, US etc there's gna be 23% on the value plus shipping and duties. Wouldn't be bothered myself.

Hotblack Desiato

Victor wrote: »

Wouldn't it be a left-hand drive?

hahaha, not.

A lot of bikes have a dipped beam that goes up on the nearside, some can be realigned but on the others you have to swap the headlight unit(s).

Victor wrote: »

This is all very romantic, but what if said new (to you?) bike breaks down?

It's not yer '50s BSA, grandad

blade1

I think all bikes in Germany and Switzerland are restricted as well.
Something to keep in mind.

Skill Magill

blade1 wrote: »

I think all bikes in Germany and Switzerland are restricted as well.
Something to keep in mind.

And they drive on the right hand side of the road, so throttle / clutch are on different side of the bars.











Probably

blade1

Skill Magill wrote: »

And they drive on the right hand side of the road, so throttle / clutch are on different side of the bars.











Probably

You just have to swap your arms around for that.

Del2005

blade1 wrote: »

I think all bikes in Germany and Switzerland are restricted as well.
Something to keep in mind.

French are, Swiss not sure but don't think so. German's aren't.

blade1

Del2005 wrote: »

French are, Swiss not sure but don't think so. German's aren't.

Looking at a German fireblade yesterday that was restricted to 100hp and it was owner said Switzerland as well.

Hotblack Desiato

CH used to have far stricter emission standards than the EU, that may not be the case any more as EU emission standards got tighter.

The Nutty M

I don't think the Swiss are restricted in any ways. Two lads I work with have Swiss bikes, 2012 R1 and a 2019 tracer 900. Neither are restricted.

And trying to keep up with some of the damn swiss on the passes,they couldn't be restricted 🀣

galwaytt

blade1 wrote: »

Looking at a German fireblade yesterday that was restricted to 100hp and it was owner said Switzerland as well.

What age though ?

Certainly older stuff was widely restricted to 100bhp in France, Germany and Switzerland. All thanks to a guy called Bangemann.....

Newer stuff isn't though.

AlekSmart

Sir Galahad wrote: »

The OP wanted to know about shipping a bike from Germany, so unlike most of the posts here I'll add something of relevance. Try Overlanders in Gorey, they have a base in Memmingen that they used for shipping pre Covid. Despite what some of the people here think about riding back from Germany, don't do it. Covid has closed a lot of places (B&B's Hotels etc etc) and a roadtrip would not be fun.

If you are buying in Germany,either from a dealer OR privately,how does the registration documentation work out ?

I am familiar with the UK V5 stuff,but totally blank when it comes to the German way ?

CJhaughey

AlekSmart wrote: »

If you are buying in Germany,either from a dealer OR privately,how does the registration documentation work out ?

I am familiar with the UK V5 stuff,but totally blank when it comes to the German way ?

There are two documents, a small one that folds to credit card size and a larger one A4 size.
They have all the info on them standard EU style.

AlekSmart

CJhaughey wrote: »

There are two documents, a small one that folds to credit card size and a larger one A4 size.
They have all the info on them standard EU style.

What I'm gettin at,is whether there is any doodling around in relation to the seller (particularly a private one) giving you the relevant document,unlike the UK situation whereby Many owners would'nt do this without a lot of prompting,as they did'nt read the bit about exporting the machine complete with V5.

CJhaughey

Not in my experience, Germans are different to Brits.:D

Harry Fox

Looking to get a bike back from Marseilles France
Any transport ideas please