Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119870669#Comment_119870669

Lol looks like you're are as ill informed in climate science as you are in medical science.

There is not a reasonable correlation between the vaccines and excess deaths and you have zero evidence to connect the two.

You know this, which is why you have use your smart arse deflecting about "heat waves" and climate change.

That joke wasn't funny the first time you tried it (and more likely stole from Twitter.)

It's not going to become funny after the 3rd or 4th time you use it.

And no doubt @hometruths is once again suddenly blind cause of this misinformation you're posting.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119870604#Comment_119870604

Weird how he can't point to any of these "international groups of medical specialists" and has to link to yet another obscure local news source that he just happens to read every day.

And weird that he's not calling the vaccines vaccines but rather "synthetic mRNA gene technology". Really trying to make it sound scary for the ignorant and uninformed

hometruths

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119870669#Comment_119870669

There is no conspiracy if it can be proven as false. Which may be impossible after the event.

This is the great problem that hindsight is now presenting with the idea that there was no conspiracy to silence dissenting views by discrediting those who voiced them.

Obviously the no conspiracy explanation is these guys were just loons, inarguably they were just plain wrong. So wrong they were a danger to public health and this should be branded as such to protect us all.

That was the "consensus" in March 2020.

Obviously the no conspiracy explanation only holds true if two and half years later hindsight proves these guys were so wrong they were a danger to public.

If hindsight suggests that these guys might not have been so crazy after all, then the conspiracy theory is back in play.

Hence the desperate attempt to pour over all of the utterances to find any quotes that shows the loons were wrong about something, anything will do, no matter how tenuous.

And that's how you wind up with nonsense like this:

Then in August 2020 this whopper:

"However, very few hospitals were eventually stressed and only for a couple of weeks. Most hospitals maintained largely empty wards, expecting tsunamis that never came… Tragically, many health systems faced major adverse consequences, not by COVID-19 cases overload, but for very different reasons."

These guys have to cling to the original explanation that anybody, including the likes of Ioannidis, who questioned the "consensus" were spreading dangerous mis/disinformation.

As long as people stick to the script that people like Ioannidis are spreaders of dangerous misinformation, then there is no conspiracy theory. But deviate from that script even slightly, and you risk opening a Pandora's box of awkward questions.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119871045#Comment_119871045

OK cool.

Will take this to mean that you argee with the notion that the vaccines are causing all thos excess death.

That's not misinformation according to yourself.

snowcat

https://www.rte.ie/news/health/2022/1115/1336309-sperm-count/

Prescribed medicines are in there. The pro drug vaccine fanatics will be mentioning show me the proof on fertility. The proof is there and we all know it. You might see results in 6 months or a year but over time it is fairly incontravertible that most synthetic drugs affect fertility where as the mRNA one's..that is just a minefield for a couple of years down the line. Or as excess deaths are showing maybe sooner.

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@snowcat this thread is about Covid Vaccines. The link you posted has nothing to do with Covid Vaccines. You have already been asked on this thread to stick to the topic and stop making up claims not mentioned in your links.

Do not post in this thread again.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119879405#Comment_119879405

Number of mentions of vaccines or excess deaths = zero.

Number of mentions of incontravertible evidence or findings = zero.

The article refers back to 2017 research.

What the article actually says:

"Exposure to pollution, plastics, smoking, drugs and prescribed medication, as well as lifestyle, such as obesity and poor diet, have all been suggested to be contributory factors although effects are poorly understood and ill-defined... we genuinely don't know why."

Other experts said the new study did not resolve their scepticism about the 2017 research.

sydthebeat

Trust snowcat to extol an article which has no mention at all of vaccines to be incontrovertible proof that vaccines are bad.

Talk about being completely brainwashed LOL.

I could just as easily point to the increasing number of humans on the planet as the reason sperm counts are falling.

Nature is a wonderful and terrible thing.

King Mob

Huh. I thought that the vaccines were causing fertility problems cause they were effecting periods.

Guess the storyline has changed again.

Also lol "synthetic drugs" and "mRNA ones."

Still afraid of using the V-word.

I will also assume that @hometruths yet again cannot see this misinformation.

hometruths

Australian government has recommended against a fifth vaccine dose:

Butler said the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisations (ATAGI) had recommended against a fifth dose, or third booster, after evidence from Singapore's recent wave showed that severe illness and death were rare among the vaccinated and that a fifth shot had minimal impact on virus transmission.

So if you're an Australian over 16 years of age and you do want to get a third booster, the experts say you cannot get one, because the evidence shows severe illness and death are rare.

But if you're an Australian over 16 years of age and you do not want to get a first booster, because the evidence shows severe illness and death are rare, the experts say you must get one.

And if you question the logic of this you're a spreader of dangerous misinformation.

Seems legit.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/australia-recommends-against-fifth-vaccine-dose-fresh-covid-wave-builds-2022-11-15/

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119880302#Comment_119880302

Read the text you quoted again. The basic logic is there. You just don’t understand basic logic.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119880302#Comment_119880302

And this supports your silly conspiracy theories how...?

Again, you, like snowcat, are simply inventing shite not said in the articles because you're desperate and your twitter feeds are drying up.

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119880302#Comment_119880302

Haha

you don't understand what you just posted

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King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119880323#Comment_119880323

Most likely because he didn't actually read in between seeing the facebook post and hitting crtl-c, crtl-v.

hometruths

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119880323#Comment_119880323

No doubt that's a possibility, can you explain the logic? What did I misunderstand?

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119880368#Comment_119880368

Does the fact that you've been caught out for not reading or understanding your links for the last 3-4 running not give you pause at all?

hometruths

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119880309#Comment_119880309

I've read the text again, and don't see the problem with my post. Are you willing, or able, to show how I have misunderstood basic logic?

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119880431#Comment_119880431

You read that article twice but missed this part:

Butler urged those yet to get the recommended number of shots to do so, with 5.5 million Australians, roughly a fifth of the population, yet to receive a third dose despite being eligible.

Butler also accepted ATAGI recommendations that Pfizer's (PFE.N) Omicron-specific vaccine be approved as a booster dose for adults; 4.7 million doses will arrive ahead of a rollout due to begin on Dec 12.

EyesClosed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119880431#Comment_119880431

The part you quoted had the answer:

"Singapore's recent wave showed that severe illness and death were rare among THE VACCINATED and that a fifth shot had minimal impact on virus transmission"

So your argument is wrong. As the experts still recommend getting the original vaccine shots... How did you miss that?

King Mob

So here's how it goes:

CTer: Linkdumps something found on twitter or facebook or whatever. With vague smartarse comments with little actual depth.

Everyone else: Points out how the article doesn't support the claim being made.

CTer: Demands people explain how it doesn't support the claim being made. <- We are here atm.

Everyone: Explains how in detail.

CTer: "I never claimed that."

Everyone: Points out where he claimed it.

CTer: Shifts goal posts and declares he was actually claiming something else. (Usually while misattributing arguments to others.)

Everyone: Points out how that new argument isn't supported by the link (and is often refuted by it.)

CTer: Either shifts goal posts again. Or ignores arguments and vanishes until the next link gets handed down via social media.

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119880431#Comment_119880431

You are not fooling anyone by playing dumb, but you are making yourself look foolish by not reading and understanding what you quote….again and again. Do you get pleasure from looking foolish?

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odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119880431#Comment_119880431

Of course you don't.

You can't understand the original article, and can't understand people's explanations.

But you're never the one with the 'understanding' problem. Never.

This isn't the first time you've posted something like this, and been called out by multiple posters that you've completely misunderstood it.

Are you willing, or able, to actually try and understand the explanations provided to you?

The evidence suggests you aren't.

Posters have already explained - to anyone willing and capable of understanding it - the flaws and misunderstanding in what you have claimed.

hometruths

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119880648#Comment_119880648

I did not miss it. I specifically said:

But if you're an Australian over 16 years of age and you do not want to get a first booster

You can only get a first booster after you have completed your primary course of vaccination. My hypothetical 16 year old is vaccinated.

So third booster shots are not allowed on the grounds that severe illness and death are rare and a fifth shot has a minimal impact on transmission.

i.e the Australian experts are of the opinion the risk/reward benefit does not favour the fifth shot.

Yet if you have not yet had a first booster you are urged to do get it, i.e the Australian experts are of the opinion the risk/reward benefit does favour the third shot.

To believe this a logical stance in the context of an 16 year old, you would have to argue that either severe illness and death are not rare in those 16 year olds who have had completed their primary course of vaccination but not had a booster.

Or that the first booster has a greater impact on transmission than the third booster.

Which is it?

hometruths

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119881061#Comment_119881061

Only one poster has actually tried to explain the flaw in my logic, and his explanation was based on the misunderstanding that I was comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated. See above.

Everybody else, as usual, has just simply said "You are too stupid to understand this"

But that's not really an explanation.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119881185#Comment_119881185

Again, all of this is just waffle you are making up and is not at all said or supported by anything in the article.

You're already attempting to shift the goalposts and change your argument because you've been caught out not reading something from twitter again.

It's very very sad.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119881202#Comment_119881202

Lol Nope. Out and out lie and misattribution as per usual.

No one's arguing that you're too stupid to understand. Everyone is pointing out that you are too dishonest and evasive to admit you understand.

I pointed out that the article you posted contains this:

Butler urged those yet to get the recommended number of shots to do so, with 5.5 million Australians, roughly a fifth of the population, yet to receive a third dose despite being eligible.

Butler also accepted ATAGI recommendations that Pfizer's (PFE.N) Omicron-specific vaccine be approved as a booster dose for adults; 4.7 million doses will arrive ahead of a rollout due to begin on Dec 12.

You ignored this because conspiracy theorists seem to think that if you pretend something doesn't exist, it doesn't exist for anyone else.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119881202#Comment_119881202

Also, please show where in the article that it states "fully vaccinated" means the initial vaccine doses only and not someone who has had both boosters.

We are not going to accept your own personal interpretation that this is the case if it is not stated directly in the article. Your posting history shows that you often simply invent these kind of interpretations when it suits you.

Big Bag of Chips

@King Mob you have been given more chances on this thread than most.

We are not going to accept your own personal interpretation that this is the case if it is not stated directly in the article.

You don't have to accept anything. Equally posters don't have to respond to your incessant repeated questioning of the same topics over and over. Your own posting history verges on haranguing. This has been addressed with you multiple times and you have been asked to amend your posting style. You are clearly not able to. You are also in breach of the charter. Please do not post in this thread again.

All posters are reminded this is a discussion forum. Discuss the points. Disagree with points using your own arguments and evidence if you wish. But one liners dismissing other posters points, or ridiculing another poster will not be tolerated.

hometruths

Katrin Jansen, the recently retired head of vaccine R&D at Pfizer, gave an interview to nature, to discuss the speed to market of the covid vaccines and how they ran "with this experimental platform — and compressed vaccine development timelines from ten years to just nine months."

We are constantly told no short cuts were taken to achieve this compressed timeline, but nonetheless many find that claim to be surprising.

Equally, many find it to be totally plausible, and are surprised at the pushback, including Jansen:

“I find it astounding, after all that humankind went through, how many people still do not see the value of vaccines and don’t get immunized,”

She goes on to explain how despite initially thinking developing a vaccine by the end of 2020 was "crazy", they got it done.

"Money was not an issue" - this was obviously a huge factor, but she also acknowledges:

We got creative — we couldn’t wait for data, we had to do so much ‘at risk’. We flew the aeroplane while we were still building it.

Interesting analogy. Happily the aviation industry is unlikely to follow the pharmaceutical lead.

Yet she remains astounded that people are hesitant. She must be pretty confident in the narrative.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41573-022-00191-2

323

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119835233#Comment_119835233

Easy enough to find, for anyone who wants to look. Fore one. UK Government, Office of National Statistics.

Almost stopped looking, too depressing. Last I seen was published 8th November, covers deaths registered up to 28th October 2022.

All-Cause Excess Deaths are up 1,314% in the previous 6 months compared to 2020 & 731% compared to 2021

Sure the damage caused by these jabs its now being openly discussed in Westminster. One would think most of scandanavia recommending against these for anyone under 50 would raise concern here but I'm sure Mihole, Leo, Stephen and RTE will blame it all on Climate Change

sydthebeat

Why are you afraid to post the source of that table?

Is it because whoever created it has misused figures to create an agenda?