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Horrible car crash was God's plan

  • 21-04-2021 10:46am
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    Registered Users Posts: 443 ✭✭ TP_CM


    I'd have more compassion for this lad if he showed an ounce of responsibility.

    He drank, he drove 5 others in that tiny car without insurance, and without a licence (previously disqualified).

    He sped through winding streets at 3am, crashed, killed 2 of them, fled the scene, and then, to top it off, in his statement of apology, his barrister read:
    RTE wrote:
    He said he asked himself every day why this was part of God's plan

    God's plan? Really?

    That really annoyed me for some reason.

    Awful story. The poor families, including his own.


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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Very sad story. I've no sympathy for him for all the reasons you've stated. Poor victims and their families though. Should be much longer stentence given the aggregating circumstances.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators Posts: 81,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭ biko


    Overloaded cars have become a major concern in the fight against road deaths, it was claimed on Monday.
    And one of the most worrying trends is people cramming into cars late at night to get home.
    Four people were thrown from the Peugeot 306 car which struck a wall and then a lamp post at 3.25am.

    Shiva Devine, 20, and Conall McAleer, who was also in his 20s – died instantly while two others are fighting for their lives.

    So far this year eight people have lost their lives on Co Donegal’s roads, compared to six for all of last year.


    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/bundoran-donegal-fatal-crash-deaths-13113811


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭ cargo


    TP_CM wrote: »
    I'd have more compassion for this lad if he showed an ounce of responsibility.

    He drank, he drove 5 others in that tiny car without insurance, and without a licence (previously disqualified).

    He sped through winding streets at 3am, crashed, killed 2 of them, fled the scene, and then, to top it off, in his statement of apology, his barrister read:



    God's plan? Really?

    That really annoyed me for some reason.

    Awful story. The poor families, including his own.

    God's an awful bollix at 3am on a Saturday night after a few pints....


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,961 ✭✭✭✭ Potential-Monke


    It's one thing I never do is overload the car. Think the sentence was a bit light considering the damage and loss caused. And yeah, "Gods plan". Technically he's right, if one is to believe in that craic.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,695 ✭✭✭✭ gmisk


    TP_CM wrote: »
    I'd have more compassion for this lad if he showed an ounce of responsibility.

    He drank, he drove 5 others in that tiny car without insurance, and without a licence (previously disqualified).
    Fairly light sentence? I am guessing he will be out in half that

    He sped through winding streets at 3am, crashed, killed 2 of them, fled the scene, and then, to top it off, in his statement of apology, his barrister read:



    God's plan? Really?

    That really annoyed me for some reason.

    Awful story. The poor families, including his own.
    Awful stuff.
    Fled the scene is just the icing on the cake.

    I know they were young but what were they thinking piling into the car with him?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,922 ✭✭✭✭ Buttonftw


    I couldn't believe when I found out it happened in Donegal.
    Same nonsense in my own border region, nothing will change while scum are "forgiven" no matter the outcomes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,381 ✭✭✭ and in the morning Diamonds of Frost


    Absolutely no sense of personal responsibility. It's a dreadful trait in a person I think. And to leave the scene afterwards :( Cowardly.


    Every person has a dark side.What defines a person with good character is not a spotless life of constant kindness, smiles and even temperament - but a willingness to see in themselves their deepest and wildest selves, lust, greed, jealousy and envy. Their complete & authentic self.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,627 ✭✭✭✭ snoopsheep


    Theres a serious problem around driver culture in that county, theres no doubt about it unfortunately


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,086 ✭✭✭ storker


    Judges need to start handing down lifetime driving bans for killing people through dangerous/drunk driving.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭ Bobblehats


    TP_CM wrote: »

    God's plan? Really?

    Not a good plan in anyone’s book

    Of which, one should be thrown. Bring the hammer down hard on the cùnt


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  • Registered Users Posts: 813 ✭✭✭ Mike Murdock


    storker wrote: »
    Judges need to start handing down lifetime driving bans for killing people through dangerous/drunk driving.

    And mandatory 15-year jail sentences. Per person killed.

    5 years in this case is a ****ing joke.


  • Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭ Billgirlylegs


    And mandatory 15-year jail sentences. Per person killed.

    5 years in this case is a ****ing joke.

    Was he already banned from driving?

    Penny just doesn't go in the slot. Graveyards are full of people who have encountered "great drivers" like this waste of space. I remember a case of chicken in a border county from 10 odd years ago. More than one person killed then as well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,977 ✭✭✭ mirwillbeback


    And mandatory 15-year jail sentences. Per person killed.

    5 years in this case is a ****ing joke.

    Would that make you feel better?

    Because the victims families were far more forgiving. Not sure why you would be more upset than they would be.


  • Registered Users Posts: 813 ✭✭✭ Mike Murdock


    Would that make you feel better?

    Because the victims families were far more forgiving. Not sure why you would be more upset than they would be.

    It sends a message to wider society that this type of **** will not be tolerated.
    Maybe even save some young lives.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,308 ✭✭✭ Ken Mc Carthy


    Would that make you feel better?

    Because the victims families were far more forgiving. Not sure why you would be more upset than they would be.

    YEP....make me feel a LOT BETTER


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭ paw patrol


    Very sad story. I've no sympathy for him for all the reasons you've stated. Poor victims and their families though. Should be much longer stentence given the aggregating circumstances.

    you should read the story, the victims forgave him.
    And mandatory 15-year jail sentences. Per person killed.

    5 years in this case is a ****ing joke.

    So he deserves 30years? Sure why not hang him at the end of the 30.....just to be sure.:rolleyes:

    he probably got a lighter sentence cos the other victims forgave him - their view rightly has more sway than you the judge dread of boards.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭ Jequ0n


    The bit about gods plan is actually kind of funny

    Personal responsibility...yes...but that also partially lies with the people who get into a car with a drunk driver. Not saying it’s their own fault but potentially indicates that it’s common practice in the area


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    what the victim's families think should be immaterial to the verdict. he should be punished based on what he did; no insurance, no licence, disqualified, and drunk. it's like he was removing every possibility for mitigation of culpability.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,856 ✭✭✭ frozenfrozen


    anyone who wasn't black out drunk lifted into the back of the car by someone else also made a terrible decision to get into that car.

    and that's not taking anything away from the actions of the driver. But it's like putting your mouth over the barrel of a shotgun and someone else pulling the trigger


  • Registered Users Posts: 443 ✭✭ TP_CM


    And mandatory 15-year jail sentences. Per person killed.

    5 years in this case is a ****ing joke.

    He'll be out in less than 36 months. Awful stench of "boys will be boys" in that sentence.

    If he was disqualified it's not like it's his first run-in with the law either.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    also, i just read, he hit 75mph before crashing. it's almost like he set out to kill someone.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,106 ✭✭✭ cruizer101


    I do think the sentence should have been more and I've every sympathy for the families of those involved but getting into a car with a drunk disqualified driver is a terrible idea.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭ Test For Echo


    ...he should be punished based on what he did; no insurance, no licence, disqualified, and drunk. it's like he was removing every possibility for mitigation of culpability.

    And fled the scene, leaving his friends injured & dying on the road. Hid out and rang his father who had the cop on to bring him back to the scene. Should be longer than a 5 year sentence.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    they do say if you want to kill someone and get away with it, do it with a car. he killed two people and left a third with lifelong injuries, through repeated and wilful actions.

    if you did that with a weapon, you wouldn't be looking at five years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 436 ✭✭ eleventh


    TP_CM wrote: »
    God's plan? Really?
    It wasn't a direct quote if you read the article. I'd want to see the direct quote before having a view on it, as well as the context he said it in.

    An awful tragedy anyway, for all concerned.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭ fitzparker


    without clicking the article Donegal came straight to mind. when you hear of the worst type of crashes its nearly always Donegal.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    eleventh wrote: »
    It wasn't a direct quote if you read the article. I'd want to see the direct quote before having a view on it, as well as the context he said it in
    it was from a prepared statement read out by his legal team.


  • Registered Users Posts: 64,961 ✭✭✭✭ Overheal


    Was that shoddy attempt at a legal defense God’s plan too or just the idiot barrister’s?


  • Registered Users Posts: 35,963 ✭✭✭✭ ohnonotgmail


    Overheal wrote: »
    Was that shoddy attempt at a legal defense God’s plan too or just the idiot barrister’s?

    There was no defence as such. He plead guilty. It was an attempt at an apology. A pretty poor one mind.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭ TomSweeney


    It's easy to find religion and God/Jesus when you don't want to take responsibility for your actions.


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