.22wmr Rifle

Bog Trotter99

Does anybody know where I could get a new CZ 457 rifle in this calibre or a similar good make in same calibre. Preferably a varmint model.

From what I can see on websites is that some only stock .22 or possibly .17

cookimonster

Ardeesports

Have a browse through this site -

https://ardeesports.com/collections/rimfire

A few options for bolt and semi auto

Sparkey84

hiya. i witnessed a customer enquire about trading in a .22wmr last year in a rfd. point blank no. the dealer described already having too many .22wmr's that just were not selling. i suspect if you considered a second hand rifle you would have the pick of the bunch might find a great example for a good price.

Asus1

Bog Trotter99 wrote: »

Does anybody know where I could get a new CZ 457 rifle in this calibre or a similar good make in same calibre. Preferably a varmint model.

From what I can see on websites is that some only stock .22 or possibly .17

I was like you and was going to trade in my 10/22 for a wmr but I went through a few threads on here and decided to go 17hmr.The few dealers I spoke to would sell me second hand or new wmr but were honest that if I went to trade it in a few years they might not take it as trade as they would be stuck with it for a long time.
Unfortunately the round is not "sexy" any more,the 17hmr is the king of supersonic rimfires now and dealers have little interest in it.Still if you're going to keep it for a long time go and buy one and enjoy it.

Bog Trotter99

Sparkey84 wrote: »

hiya. i witnessed a customer enquire about trading in a .22wmr last year in a rfd. point blank no. the dealer described already having too many .22wmr's that just were not selling. i suspect if you considered a second hand rifle you would have the pick of the bunch might find a great example for a good price.

Well someone must have scooped them up because even second hand on the internet I can find only less than 10 new or used in Ireland.

Bog Trotter99

Asus1 wrote: »

Unfortunately the round is not "sexy" any more,the 17hmr is the king of supersonic rimfires now and dealers have little interest in it.

But only in Ireland not elsewhere. Still everyone to their own.

J.R.

https://www.irishshootingsports.ie/guns/rifles/used-rifles/used-rifle-rimfire/winchester-model-9422m-22wmr/

https://www.irishshootingsports.ie/guns/rifles/used-rifles/used-rifle-rimfire/cz-455-thumbhole-varmint-scoped-with-mod-22wmr/

Bog Trotter99

J.R. wrote: »

They must have appeared today. I was looking most of last week and weekend.

Bog Trotter99

Asus1 wrote: »

I was like you and was going to trade in my 10/22 for a wmr but I went through a few threads on here and decided to go 17hmr.The few dealers I spoke to would sell me second hand or new wmr but were honest that if I went to trade it in a few years they might not take it as trade as they would be stuck with it for a long time.
Unfortunately the round is not "sexy" any more,the 17hmr is the king of supersonic rimfires now and dealers have little interest in it.Still if you're going to keep it for a long time go and buy one and enjoy it.

I read some of the old posts here and thought I would reply to this again.

All bullets drop when they leave the barrel. Does that make them inaccurate? Usually no. Things that make a bullet inaccurate are its weight because lighter bullets can be affected by the wind more than heavier bullets.

Sniper rounds are mostly heavy bullets. Some travel quite slow compared to screaming light bullets like .223. One of the most well known long range sniper rounds is the .50 cal which has been used by the military at 2000 yards. At 1000 yards this bullet will drop by 270". That is over 22 feet. But the thing is, it has the energy to do whats intended when it gets there.

At the furthest you would possibly use a .17hmr or .22wmr, say 200 yards.

.17hmr 20grn will drop by 11" and deliver 72ft-lbs.
.22wmr 40grn will drop by 21" and deliver 102ft-lbs.

.17hmr 20grn at 100 yards will drop by .6" and deliver 137ft-lbs.
.22wmr 40grn at 100 yards will drop by 1.9" and deliver 170ft-lbs.

Horses for courses as they say, but ft-lbs is energy expelled into your target. Drop is just gravity which affects all. It all depends what you want to do.

I cannot post examples but there are plenty of videos on subject on Youtube.

Asus1

Bog Trotter99 wrote: »

I read some of the old posts here and thought I would reply to this again.

All bullets drop when they leave the barrel. Does that make them inaccurate? Usually no. Things that make a bullet inaccurate are its weight because lighter bullets can be affected by the wind more than heavier bullets.

Sniper rounds are mostly heavy bullets. Some travel quite slow compared to screaming light bullets like .223. One of the most well known long range sniper rounds is the .50 cal which has been used by the military at 2000 yards. At 1000 yards this bullet will drop by 270". That is over 22 feet. But the thing is, it has the energy to do whats intended when it gets there.

At the furthest you would possibly use a .17hmr or .22wmr, say 200 yards.

.17hmr 20grn will drop by 11" and deliver 72ft-lbs.
.22wmr 40grn will drop by 21" and deliver 102ft-lbs.

.17hmr 20grn at 100 yards will drop by .6" and deliver 137ft-lbs.
.22wmr 40grn at 100 yards will drop by 1.9" and deliver 170ft-lbs.

Horses for courses as they say, but ft-lbs is energy expelled into your target. Drop is just gravity which affects all. It all depends what you want to do.

I cannot post examples but there are plenty of videos on subject on Youtube.

Not going to argue with any of that other than I think the 17hmr beats the wmr in that's it's less bothered by wind over a certain distance as it's going so fast,could be wrong.
But it seems it's been surpassed in Ireland by the hmr for whatever reason and I suppose one day the hmr will be surpassed by something else.Most dealers asked me why I was trading the Ruger and I said I wanted a bit more distance to take Grey's, magpie and a few fox,not one offered me a wmr but they all said hmr first then some said 223,make of that what you will.
Good luck which whatever you pick.

Bog Trotter99

Asus1 wrote: »

Not going to argue with any of that other than I think the 17hmr beats the wmr in that's it's less bothered by wind over a certain distance as it's going so fast,could be wrong.
But it seems it's been surpassed in Ireland by the hmr for whatever reason and I suppose one day the hmr will be surpassed by something else.Most dealers asked me why I was trading the Ruger and I said I wanted a bit more distance to take Grey's, magpie and a few fox,not one offered me a wmr but they all said hmr first then some said 223,make of that what you will.
Good luck which whatever you pick.

I can show you videos of .22wmr at 730 yards....pm.

Sparkey84

Bog Trotter99 wrote: »

Well someone must have scooped them up because even second hand on the internet I can find only less than 10 new or used in Ireland.

really doubt they all sold, have you rang any dealers? a good bit of stock will not be online.

minktrapper

Anyone know what kind of group the 22 WMR delivers at 200yds.

Bog Trotter99

minktrapper wrote: »

Anyone know what kind of group the 22 WMR delivers at 200yds.

Possibly the same as you can achieve with any other rimfire depending on bullet type strength of wind and whether you can see straight.

If a man can hit a 24"x24" steel plate at 730 yards and hit similar with a .22lr at even further 1000 yards, I doubt you should have much problem at 200 yards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcnunlqzjE8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6j8O-rCfEc

Bog Trotter99

Sparkey84 wrote: »

really doubt they all sold, have you rang any dealers? a good bit of stock will not be online.

Actually I text and emailed all online dealers. As to yet only one got back to me to say yah or nah. He actually got back to me by email from his phone on Sunday afternoon just an hour of me sending him a message. That is what I call a good business man and worthy of dealing with. The rest????????????

Sparkey84

Bog Trotter99 wrote: »

Actually I text and emailed all online dealers. As to yet only one got back to me to say yah or nah. He actually got back to me by email from his phone on Sunday afternoon just an hour of me sending him a message. That is what I call a good business man and worthy of dealing with. The rest????????????

where abouts in country are you?

Bog Trotter99

Mayo.

Feisar

Bog Trotter99 wrote: »

Actually I text and emailed all online dealers. As to yet only one got back to me to say yah or nah. He actually got back to me by email from his phone on Sunday afternoon just an hour of me sending him a message. That is what I call a good business man and worthy of dealing with. The rest????????????

I said it before about the online thing, I wouldn't hang my hat on whether or not a lad answered an email as a sign one way or the other. I know not everyone agrees with me on that. A lot of lads set these things up or get them set up and half forget about them. A email account, like a shop needs to be attended it would appear a lot of people don't realize this.

As regards rifles I was on McBrides website, he's based Athlone, plenty of WMRs there.

Sparkey84

Bog Trotter99 wrote: »

Mayo.

if you like ill pm you the details of the dealer i spoke about, but he is other end of the country.

Sparkey84

also do you have a wanted add in the for sale section here. i put up one for a 39a last month and was sorted within two or three posts

Bog Trotter99

I really wanted new though because I am changing down and have just sold mine.

Mellor

Bog Trotter99 wrote: »

Things that make a bullet inaccurate are its weight because lighter bullets can be affected by the wind more than heavier bullets.

Wind can be an issue. But it’s not the only aspect affecting accuracy.
I wmr has a reputation for being unstable in flight, due to its speed. That’s seen as the issue rather than drop.

At the furthest you would possibly use a .17hmr or .22wmr, say 200 yards.

.17hmr 20grn will drop by 11" and deliver 72ft-lbs.
.22wmr 40grn will drop by 21" and deliver 102ft-lbs.

.17hmr 20grn at 100 yards will drop by .6" and deliver 137ft-lbs.
.22wmr 40grn at 100 yards will drop by 1.9" and deliver 170ft-lbs.

Agree with the numbers. Wmr carries more energy. Which is a consideration.
But they if that’s the main concern what about 17wsm.

190ft.lbs at 200years
280ft.lbs at 100yards

Bog Trotter99

Mellor wrote: »

Wind can be an issue. But it’s not the only aspect affecting accuracy.
I wmr has a reputation for being unstable in flight, due to its speed. That’s seen as the issue rather than drop.

Well if someone can film himself hitting a 2ft square plate at 730 yards and same again with an even slower .22lr at 1013 yards.....then give me slow any day. Hype is hype.

A .22wmr at 100 yards and a .17hmr are approx same speed at about 150 yards. So at what speed do all these bullets become inaccurate?

Inaccuracy can be down to lots of things. Speed is well down the list. If it was a main factor then what is a .50 doing at 2000 yards when it is travelling at only 950ft-sec and has dropped 1,400" which is approx 116 feet?

Mellor wrote: »

Agree with the numbers. Wmr carries more energy. Which is a consideration.
But they if that’s the main concern what about 17wsm.

190ft.lbs at 200years
280ft.lbs at 100yards

I am changing down so want less power than my ex-rifle a .223.

Feisar

The 17HMR drops and drifts less than the 22WMR. Sure the 22 has more power but it's not enough that gets one into a bigger category of quarry. So what's the argument for the WMR? Unless foxes are beating you out of it at circa 50 yards I'd say get the HMR.

Asus1

Feisar wrote: »

I said it before about the online thing, I wouldn't hang my hat on whether or not a lad answered an email as a sign one way or the other. I know not everyone agrees with me on that. A lot of lads set these things up or get them set up and half forget about them. A email account, like a shop needs to be attended it would appear a lot of people don't realize this.

As regards rifles I was on McBrides website, he's based Athlone, plenty of WMRs there.

Agree I rang him and I got a trade price for my Ruger over phone so went with him for new cz 457 hmr,he does indeed have a good few wmr in stock.

Bog Trotter99

Feisar wrote: »

The 17HMR drops and drifts less than the 22WMR. Sure the 22 has more power but it's not enough that gets one into a bigger category of quarry. So what's the argument for the WMR? Unless foxes are beating you out of it at circa 50 yards I'd say get the HMR.

The only thing that matters when your shot hits its quarry is placement and energy delivered.

Mellor

Bog Trotter99 wrote: »

Well if someone can film himself hitting a 2ft square plate at 730 yards and same again with an even slower .22lr at 1013 yards.....then give me slow any day. Hype is hype.

Somebody can also film himself throwing a basketball into a basket from 100yards. But he can’t do it consistently.
Plus 2ft is a big plate.
22lr is often said to be more accurate than 22wmr at distance.

A .22wmr at 100 yards and a .17hmr are approx same speed at about 150 yards. So at what speed do all these bullets become inaccurate?

They are different ballistic rounds.
WMR has a reputation for being unstable, tumbling, and generally not grouping tight. I’ve heard twist is an issue, but I don’t know, I don’t own one.

I am changing down so want less power than my ex-rifle a .223.

So you want less power that a 17wsm
But more power than a 17hmr

Fairly narrow range. WMR fits the bill.
Seems like your mind is made up, but you asked why it had a bad name that’s all.

Bog Trotter99

Mellor wrote: »

Somebody can also film himself throwing a basketball into a basket from 100yards. But he can’t do it consistently.
Plus 2ft is a big plate.
22lr is often said to be more accurate than 22wmr at distance.


They are different ballistic rounds.
WMR has a reputation for being unstable, tumbling, and generally not grouping tight. I’ve heard twist is an issue, but I don’t know, I don’t own one.


So you want less power that a 17wsm
But more power than a 17hmr

Fairly narrow range. WMR fits the bill.
Seems like your mind is made up, but you asked why it had a bad name that’s all.

I dont know how we got into this, but I have been shooting all my life and an old codger now, hence one reason for the change down.

Regards the things 'you hear'. The .22wmr has been around for 62 years now.

No I do not want a hmr, it was others suggested I do that over a wmr.

Physics is physics and it cant really be changed. Light rounds are more susceptible to wind drift unless at very high speed. Being as all bullets decrease in speed, then a lighter bullet will become more and more susceptible. One reason we do not stick a .22 on the end of an artillery shell and try and hit targets at miles distance.

Every round has its place. But knock down is kinetic energy delivered. So you do not try and stop a charging wild boar with number 7 shot. You use a slug. Because the lighter shot even if they all hit will not do the job. The slug weighing the same as all the shot together, will.

Yes heavier bullets drop more than lighter ones. But all bullets drop, so your barrel is never actually pointing at your target. It is always aiming well over it no matter what calibre you use.

Every other country goes with .22wmr unless for shooting small game like birds etc. Thats ok.

As I said I am looking for a new .22wmr and thats it. I do not believe the hype of the hmr, but it does have its place. It was introduced in 2002 and no doubt had a huge advertising budget to push it.

This one is simple for anyone to understand. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpK2P9zhH44

J.R.

https://mcbrides.ie/collections/rimfire-rifles/22

J.R.

https://www.sportsdengunroom.ie/online-gun-showroom/rifles.html?rifle_caliber=294

Feisar

I know it’s second hand but that’s a tasty rifle:

https://outdoorsports.ie/collections/rifle/products/anschutz-1720-22wmr-rifle

Zxthinger

22wmr accuracy is difficult to tame.. Anschutz would be the best manufacture with good accuracy.. perfect barrels, chambers with good lead,rebated crowns et etc

The WMR offers reliable S/A with low maintenance compared to any of the 17hmr S/A's that came and went..

Larger calibers offer more consistent results but the limiting factor with a 22wmr is really the accuracy..

Mellor

Bog Trotter99 wrote: »

I dont know how we got into this, but I have been shooting all my life and an old codger now, hence one reason for the change down

Regards the things 'you hear'. The .22wmr has been around for 62 years now.

I'm aware it's been around years. The issues I mentioned as well documented.
As for how we got into it, I don't think you're reading posts very well, but arguing what you think people are saying.

I never mentioned drop or weight. You said who wanted knockdown energy. I gave you an suggesting that outperformed the WMR, that's all it is.
If you want a WMR, don't let anyone stop you.

Because the lighter shot even if they all hit will not do the job. The slug weighing the same as all the shot together, will.

Kinda getting a bet deeper into ballistics here. But if the weight is the same as all the pellets, and the velocity is the same, then the energy is the same.

Bog Trotter99

The .22 has been around longer. Approx 150 years. It has been the choice of target and hunting ammo for probably the same time. The .22wmr is basically a faster version of the .22lr.........for a short time. The .223 even faster again but with extra qualities.

I am not arguing with any posters. I am telling you what I know.

Inaccuracy........A lot of things come into play here. Rimfire are not usually known for precise loading consistency. This can give rise to 'flyers' in standard and even more in cheap ammo.

I am old enough to remember .22 'fairground' ammo. A range of 10ft was way too far for that stuff, it really was that bad.

It is one of this known facts that I have never seen explained but guns do prefer a certain kind of ammunition. Weight, bullet type and manufacture all come into this. So that is all trial and error.

Tumbling on bullets can be caused by a lot of things. Some bullets are designed to tumble after hitting their target. To cause maximum damage. This is done by shape and speed.

One of the main causes of unintentional tumble, is twist rate to bullet weight and velocity.

So if the .22wmr bullets were tumbling and inaccurate (as you have heard) then in 62 years I am sure some rifle manufacturer would have altered their twist rate or changed the shape of their bullets.

Also on accuracy that .22lr and .22wmr are favoured pistol rounds in some countries. Short range weapons with short barrels which may not even burn their powder efficiently can give cause to many complaints on inaccuracy. I have no idea if they use .17hmr in pistols.

Gun manufacturers. Some good. Some not so.

A .17hmr is a completely different kettle of fish. It is smaller and half the weight therefore requires a lot of things to be altered and even more so if you include a huge increase in speed which it must have to perform.

A smaller lighter bullet is massively affected by wind sideways and head on. Therefore it needs to increase its speed to cope with such. Sadly due to gravity and friction it decreases and the wind force effects start to increase the more it slows down.

Heavier bullets are less affected by wind to a point. This why heavy bullets are used for long range instead of light bullets.

Think about it. Why do we not put a .22 on a .50 cal cartridge? It would be a great idea if there were no wind forces.

Moving back to your .17hmr. You take a smaller bullet and put a similar charge behind it then you increase its speed. It can delivery good kinetic energy ft-lbs while it still has that 'extra' speed. But speed is the one major thing you lose when the bullet leaves the barrel. So the kinetic energy decreases as the speed decreases as it does with all bullets. The difference is the .17hmr is half the weight of the .22wmr. So it is lose lose lose all the way. Just as a .223 and .308 bullet which travel at similar speed differences to .17hmr and .22wmr. The heavier bullet is always going to deliver more kinetic energy ft-lbs after a certain distance.

The .17hmr has its place and is most probably a good but underpowered round. The wsm is far more effective.

Is a .17hmr better than a .22wmr? I simply have no idea. But I want my gun for ranges of up to 200 yards extreme and to be able to hit the odd fox well within that distance. I do not want something that can fail to penetrate or easily stopped by hard tissue or explodes on impact.

I hope that clears your points and I am not arguing just stating why etc.

BSA International

.22wmr at 200 yards on fox might be a stretch of it's capabilities.

Have you considered .22 Hornet? Ammo a bit pricey but for hunting that wouldn't be a major issue.

Bog Trotter99

Mellor wrote: »

Kinda getting a bet deeper into ballistics here. But if the weight is the same as all the pellets, and the velocity is the same, then the energy is the same.

No its not and this maybe what you confuse with bullet sizes?

The energy expelled at the shotgun barrel is the same. That is correct. But the difference of that small pellet and the huge slug hitting the target is hugely different even if all of the weight of the shot hits the target.

When you divide the weight of the 1oz shot down into smaller grams, you are dividing the kinetic energy into smaller packages. Whereas the slug is still retaining the full kinetic energy of the 1oz shot.

So example of 10 x 1 ton ford fiesta's hitting a wall in different places all at 10mph and the result is a lot of smashed ford fiestas. But a 10 ton truck hitting the wall at 10mph results in a big hole in the wall.

To compensate the effect of the ford fiestas you need an increase in speed at impact. This you can do with a car because it has its own power source.

A bullet is a spent object and has lost its power source and is slowing all the time. Therefore after a certain range, the speed effect of the lighter bullet has gone and it becomes less and less effective the further it travels.............As do all bullets of all calibres but the bigger the mass, the more kinetic energy it retains.

Bog Trotter99

BSA International wrote: »

.22wmr at 200 yards on fox might be a stretch of it's capabilities.

Have you considered .22 Hornet? Ammo a bit pricey but for hunting that wouldn't be a major issue.

I know I did say a fox at lesser range. (able to hit the odd fox well within that distance.)

cookimonster

Quick WMR Ammo review -

https://youtu.be/21qzDbcI3IA

Bog Trotter99

cookimonster wrote: »

Quick WMR Ammo review -

https://youtu.be/21qzDbcI3IA

Not bad for inaccurate tumbling bullets. I didnt know you could get subs in wmr. Does that do away with the need for a .22lr?:rolleyes:

minktrapper

Bog Trotter99 wrote: »

Not bad for inaccurate tumbling bullets. I didnt know you could get subs in wmr. Does that do away with the need for a .22lr?:rolleyes:

More like they make subsonic and birdshot for the WMR but try getting them in Ireland.

Snake_Doctor

It's worth checking out Mark and Sam after work on youtube. He does mostly long range stuff and did some work on the 22 mag, had some good stuff...bty, fan of d cartridge as well, age profile and all that

Mellor

Bog Trotter99 wrote: »

One of the main causes of unintentional tumble, is twist rate to bullet weight and velocity.

So if the .22wmr bullets were tumbling and inaccurate (as you have heard) then in 62 years I am sure some rifle manufacturer would have altered their twist rate or changed the shape of their bullets.

I mentioned that as being an issue above.

The difference is the .17hmr is half the weight of the .22wmr. So it is lose lose lose all the way. Just as a .223 and .308 bullet which travel at similar speed differences to .17hmr and .22wmr. The heavier bullet is always going to deliver more kinetic energy ft-lbs after a certain distance.

I suggested the WSM. I haven't studied the ballistic chart side by side with the WMR. But I don't think the WMR carries more energy at any range, open to correct of course.

Bog Trotter99 wrote: »

No its not and this maybe what you confuse with bullet sizes?

When you divide the weight of the 1oz shot down into smaller grams, you are dividing the kinetic energy into smaller packages. Whereas the slug is still retaining the full kinetic energy of the 1oz shot.

It actually is in fact. The maths behind it is really simple.
The formula for kinetic energy is (1/2)MV^2. It's proportional to mass.
So if you divide it into smaller packages, you reduce the energy of each, but there are more of them.

If you half the projectile into two rounds, the energy of each is halved. But there are two of them. So added together the total is the same.
If you divide it into 100 projectiles, they each have 100th the energy. But again there is 100 of them.

A slug and pellets, at the same mass and speed have the same kinetic energy.
But as they travel pellets will slow quicker, they are less ballistically less efficient.

So example of 10 x 1 ton ford fiesta's hitting a wall in different places all at 10mph and the result is a lot of smashed ford fiestas. But a 10 ton truck hitting the wall at 10mph results in a big hole in the wall.

The total kinetic energy of the 10 fiestas and the 1 truck are the same.

A bullet is a spent object and has lost its power source and is slowing all the time. Therefore after a certain range, the speed effect of the lighter bullet has gone and it becomes less and less effective the further it travels.............As do all bullets of all calibres but the bigger the mass, the more kinetic energy it retains.

Yes. Energy decreases as a bullet travels. All bullets.

From 100years to 200 yards. A WMR loses 40% of the energy.
A WSM loses 32%. It retains more energy, despite being a bullet of half the weight. Reason being energy increases more proportional to speed than mass.

So yes, we don't but a .22 on a .50 cal cartridge. But we also don't put a cannonball on there either.

Anyway. Rambling a bit. As I said above, you have your heart set on a WMR. It's absolutely up to you. Go for it.

Feisar

It also leaves bc out of the equation, i.e. a long for caliber 6.5 of circa 140 grains retains more energy than a 180 grain 7.62. A 204 Ruger drops and drifts less than a 223.

Bog Trotter99

Mellor wrote: »

Anyway. Rambling a bit. As I said above, you have your heart set on a WMR. It's absolutely up to you. Go for it.

Yes I have decided on what I want for all the reasons I have already mention Mellor. But thanks for your input. We all cant all agree on everything otherwise there would only be one rifle and point of view and life would be so much more boring. It's good to talk.:)

Feisar

Bog Trotter99 wrote: »

Yes I have decided on what I want for all the reasons I have already mention Mellor. But thanks for your input. We all cant all agree on everything otherwise there would only be one rifle and point of view and life would be so much more boring. It's good to talk.:)

See what you really need is a 5mm RRM! :P:P:P

Bog Trotter99

Feisar wrote: »

See what you really need is a 5mm RRM! :P:P:P

Never knew of that and just had a quick read.....why?

Mellor

Bog Trotter99 wrote: »

lWe all cant all agree on everything otherwise there would only be one rifle and point of view and life would be so much more boring.

Absolutely. I couldn’t agree more.
Happy hunting

Feisar

Bog Trotter99 wrote: »

Never knew of that and just had a quick read.....why?

I'd say it was a case of why not! In fairness it appears to be a nice caliber.

Bog Trotter99

An update to this is that I was just told the rifle I wanted wont be available until December in the calibre I wanted.

I will have a re-think, but good possibility I will wait.

One man called Liam, a dealer is the one who I would spend my money with. Great customer service from him. I am sure you all know who he is. So thanks all for the ideas/suggestions and input.

Feisar

Bog Trotter99 wrote: »

An update to this is that I was just told the rifle I wanted wont be available until December in the calibre I wanted.

I will have a re-think, but good possibility I will wait.

One man called Liam, a dealer is the one who I would spend my money with. Great customer service from him. I am sure you all know who he is. So thanks all for the ideas/suggestions and input.

I always find yer as well hang on for what you want. Otherwise you’ll either change it or be looking at second choice for years

ace86

Bog Trotter99 wrote: »

An update to this is that I was just told the rifle I wanted wont be available until December in the calibre I wanted.

I will have a re-think, but good possibility I will wait.

One man called Liam, a dealer is the one who I would spend my money with. Great customer service from him. I am sure you all know who he is. So thanks all for the ideas/suggestions and input.

Do you mind me asking what kind of rifle and calibre you are getting?
I have been reading the comments on here on .17HMR vs.22WMR and from someone who has had .22wmr as a small rifle for nearly 20 yrs and planning on getting my 3rd the Beargra B14R just bcos its fully adjustable and I can customise it to myself. I currently have a Sako Quad Varmint heavy barrel in .22wmr and it’s fantastic rifle unreal accurate but I never really push it out beyond 120yrds or that way it’s just I prefer to have a bigger calibre for foxes more so me for an effective kill and longer distance if required. I use 30gr Hornady v max ammo the last few years and I find it very good and groups well too.