You're not a believable bar man any more

Santan

I see Hank Azaria is saying sorry again for having voiced Apu in the Simpsons, he also voiced Carl, which he has also had to stop and it's now being voiced by a black actor from Becker, Alex desert as the Simpsons producer now say they will no longer have non black actors voicing coloured characters. Which means they now also have to find a new actor for dr. Hibbert as he is done by the mr. burns actor harry Shearer, who said "I have a very simple belief about acting," he told Times Radio. "The job of the actor is to play someone who they're not. That's the gig. That's the job description.

"I'm not a rich nuclear plant owner. I'm not a Bible-believing Christian that lives next to Homer. I'm not any of those people.

Performance… is playing the part you are not."

Is it now time to just have a real doctor for the voice to make sure doctors are never offended, hank Azaria is not a real barman, booooo, down I say, get me a real local surley bar keep. Don't get me started on Peter griffen, a fat guy voiced by a slim guy, or brian, if have it on good authority he is not a real dog....how is this allowed.

French Toast

Wasn't there something similar recently where a non-ADHD actress played a character with ADHD? Or maybe it was autism, something along those lines.

The Simpsons thing is nothing but regressive tokenism.

Strumms

I’m with Harry Shearer. More of this woke simpleton pandering bollocksology.

They might as well pull every episode unless they want to re-animate them where in each scene is reanimated to have an equal number of white and black characters too...same number of gay, straight, bi, tri, quasi-sexuals...

Wonder what Matt Groening thinks of all this, maybe he’s been too successful and is too rich to give a fûck.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

I'll never understand why anyone is still watching the Simpsons. It's been dire for about 20 years.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Strumms wrote: »

Wonder what Matt Groening thinks of all this, maybe he’s been too successful and is too rich to give a fûck.

He's certainly too successful and rich to make sure the show is any good.

Strumms

Wonder how long before we are boarding an Aer Lingus flight to New York, it’s becomes evident both pilots are Irish, male, 45-55... and people start kicking off, not wanting the flight to depart until another ethnicity and gender is ‘represented’ in the cockpit...

Iguarantee

I always found their depiction of Indian characters to be far more accurate than their depiction of Irish characters.

I’ve met people that sound precisely like Apu. I’ve never met anyone with the horse**** Americanised Irish accent the Simpsons use for Irish characters.

I’ve little issue with how they portray Irish characters, except for the fact that they do it badly in comparison to their other ethnicities/nationalities.

If Hank Azaria feels like he needs to apologise then off with him. He’s certainly successful enough to be in a position to not care.

Out of interest, had people complained that Apu was racist?

Fandymo

Strumms wrote: »

I’m with Harry Shearer. More of this woke simpleton pandering bollocksology.

They might as well pull every episode unless they want to re-animate them where in each scene is reanimated to have an equal number of white and black characters too...same number of gay, straight, bi, tri, quasi-sexuals...

Wonder what Matt Groening thinks of all this, maybe he’s been too successful and is too rich to give a fûck.

Should they even be making The Simpsons? I’ve never seen someone in cartoon form in real life.

Sonic the Shaghog

French Toast wrote: »

Wasn't there something similar recently where a non-ADHD actress played a character with ADHD? Or maybe it was autism, something along those lines.

The Simpsons thing is nothing but regressive tokenism.

Taron Edgerton got a load of abuse for playing Elton John as a gay character "should be played by gay actor"

Eltons reply was "it's a load of bull****!"

The regressive bootlickers scurried off

Strumms

Sonic the Shaghog wrote: »

Taron Edgerton got a load of abuse for playing Elton John as a gay character "should be played by gay actor"

Eltons reply was "it's a load of bull****!"

The regressive bootlickers scurried off

Yes, pandering to muppets who can’t grasp what ‘acting’ actually is... ‘people portraying people they are themselves not’.

TheValeyard

It's acting. Let people act.

The DayDream

While I also agree with Harry Shearer the argument of 'oh, then shouldn't Moe be voiced by a real barman' is missing the point of the issue a bit.

The issue has been raised because minority actors feel that they are being denied job opportunities when white actors take those jobs. Barmen are not going to be in the running for acting jobs generally.

The Apu thing is different as well as the character has been criticized for reinforcing stereotypes of Indian inmigrants, using the accent as a source of ridicule etc.

Again I don't agree with it. I lived in America and those shops are very often owned by Indians, and most of the ones I met weren't as friendly as Apu. And the accent is funny, I don't know why, but especially compared to the sort of flat US accent. So what? Why do we have to pretend something isn't funny sounding? As long as the amusement isn't from putting the person down or insulting them like if you made the Indian character stupid or something like that.

DelaneyIn

Now we need a special needs kid to do Ralphs voice.

beauf

Iguarantee wrote: »

I always found their depiction of Indian characters to be far more accurate than their depiction of Irish characters. ...

What about Family guy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Cvv237khg8&ab_channel=SenorHernanCortes

Strumms

Why are we or people pandering to these fûckwits ? Fear of being sued ?

Zebra3

It's a cartoon. Why does anyone need to think it's accurate? Will they apologise to white people for portraying them inaccurately with yellow skin?

I, for one, am outraged!!!!!

Santan

Strumms wrote: »

I’m with Harry Shearer. More of this woke simpleton pandering bollocksology.

They might as well pull every episode unless they want to re-animate them where in each scene is reanimated

They are suggesting that the new actors re-record all the lines of all previous episodes, but I think that is not really going to happen, purely for a monetary reason

Strumms

The DayDream wrote: »

While I also agree with Harry Shearer the argument of 'oh, then shouldn't Moe be voiced by a real barman' is missing the point of the issue a bit.

The issue has been raised because minority actors feel that they are being denied job opportunities when white actors take those jobs. Barmen are not going to be in the running for acting jobs generally.

The Apu thing is different as well as the character has been criticized for reinforcing stereotypes of Indian inmigrants, using the accent as a source of ridicule etc.

Again I don't agree with it. I lived in America and those shops are very often owned by Indians, and most of the ones I met weren't as friendly as Apu. And the accent is funny, I don't know why, but especially compared to the sort of flat US accent. So what? Why do we have to pretend something isn't funny sounding? As long as the amusement isn't from putting the person down or insulting them like if you made the Indian character stupid or something like that.

Thing is, it’s ‘voice’ acting... if Hank Azeria was blacking up to play Apu, fair enough.... he’s part of an ensemble cast though, who voice act.

These are people putting on voices...

No different to the Goons. Should Peter Sellers, Harry Seacombe, Spike Milligan and Michael Bentine walked away and hired other actors and personalities to play non English parts ? Like fück they should have.

Papa_Bear

I can't even post on boards anymore. I had to get someone that matched my online persona to to post for me. Ya'know just to avoid any possible legal complications down the road:eek:

Santan

The DayDream wrote: »

While I also agree with Harry Shearer the argument of 'oh, then shouldn't Moe be voiced by a real barman' is missing the point of the issue a bit.

The issue has been raised because minority actors feel that they are being denied job opportunities when white actors take those jobs. Barmen are not going to be in the running for acting jobs generally.
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Yeah honestly daydream I was being a bit tongue in cheek with that, I mean I also don't really believe Brian from family guy is voiced by a real dog (I think)

odyssey06

All voice actors should be voiced by age appropriate actors!

Zebra3

I hear Bugs Bunny wasn't even voiced by a rabbit!!!!

The DayDream

Many still missing the point which is that it's being seen as wrong now to have white actors play the roles because roles for minorities are already scarce enough without white folks taking the few that exist. And the theory is if there are actual minorities used they are less likely to portray their race in an unfavorable light than what happens when the role is developed without input from anyone of that race.

I don't agree necessarily but that's the argument.

Archeron

Please reassure me that Godzilla was voiced by a real Godzilla

Quantum Erasure

French Toast wrote: »

Wasn't there something similar recently where a non-ADHD actress played a character with ADHD? Or maybe it was autism, something along those lines.

The Simpsons thing is nothing but regressive tokenism.

Whats funny is they originally went for an autistic actor, but the person wasn't able for it..

Iguarantee wrote: »

I always found their depiction of Indian characters to be far more accurate than their depiction of Irish characters. ...

That's Crazy Talk

whisky_galore

Strumms wrote: »

Why are we or people pandering to these fûckwits ? Fear of being sued ?

A desperate scream for relevance.
An actual shít show on life support.

SafeSurfer

The DayDream wrote: »

Many still missing the point which is that it's being seen as wrong now to have white actors play the roles because roles for minorities are already scarce enough without white folks taking the few that exist. And the theory is if there are actual minorities used they are less likely to portray their race in an unfavorable light than what happens when the role is developed without input from anyone of that race.

I don't agree necessarily but that's the argument.

Then there is the other extreme where black actors are show horned into roles where black characters were scarce to non existent. Mary Poppins Returns is an example. A black milkman, a black solicitor when these were as rare as hens teeth in Edwardian London.
The original Mary Poppins was criticized for “black facing” literally when Mary Poppins’ face gets coveted in soot.

Most TV advertisements show an obligatory mixed race couple to pander to the wokeists when less than 7% of UK couples are mixed race and an even smaller number in Ireland.
Race should not matter. Corporations should not be using race to sell their toothpaste or car insurance.

Bojill

Surely the perceived 'racism' is due to the script and not the voice.

ElJaguar

Zebra3 wrote: »

It's a cartoon. Why does anyone need to think it's accurate? Will they apologise to white people for portraying them inaccurately with yellow skin?

I, for one, am outraged!!!!!

Pauliedragon

Archeron wrote: »

Please reassure me that Godzilla was voiced by a real Godzilla

I watched men in black over the weekend as a throwback to my teenage years. Those alien characters better have been played by real aliens or I'll be outraged. Best quote that made me laugh was
"A person is smart, people are dumb" I was thinking it just sums up a lot of the world these days.

Hercule Poirot

There was also a backlash about The Prom because James Corden played a gay character, not one word about Andrew Rannels, an openly gay actor, playing a straight character in the same film

I get that there's an arguement about misrepresentation but it's becoming a load of nonsense right now

KungPao

Herschel Krustofsky is voiced by a Gentile.


Think about it. It's a disgrace. Bloody Christians putting Jews out of work.



#JLM

jaxxx

Pauliedragon wrote: »

I watched men in black over the weekend as a throwback to my teenage years. Those alien characters better have been played by real aliens or I'll be outraged. Best quote that made me laugh was
"A person is smart, people are dumb" I was thinking it just sums up a lot of the world these days.

Amen to that.

The Black Oil

French Toast wrote: »

Wasn't there something similar recently where a non-ADHD actress played a character with ADHD? Or maybe it was autism, something along those lines.

The Simpsons thing is nothing but regressive tokenism.

Sia's film a few months ago ticked off the autistic community on account, iirc, of some of its depiction and lack of inclusion. She didn't really help herself with some of her tweets.

jaxxx

Bart Simpson/Nelson Muntz/Ralph Wiggum are all voiced by Nancy Cartwright. But you don't hear any hullabaloo about that now, do you...

Zebra3

Imagine how long it would take for every non-Irish actor who played an Irish part to apologise!!

And when you think of the accents, they are apologies we are long overdue!!!!

First up, Tom Cruise!

Strumms

Hercule Poirot wrote: »

There was also a backlash about The Prom because James Corden played a gay character, not one word about Andrew Rannels, an openly gay actor, playing a straight character in the same film

I get that there's an arguement about misrepresentation but it's becoming a load of nonsense right now

World had gone a bit up it’s hole, actors play the parts of people who they are not !

If I’m putting on a play, say Cry Freedom about Steve Biko, a black South African, do I need to find a black South African to play him ? Will I get in trouble for casting a black English or Irish actor... if there is say a French actor applying for the apart of Donald Woods ? Am I stil insisting a South African plays Woods ?

Or do I get talented actors to represent and tell a story..to ACT ! To play a part, to be who they are not..

jaxxx

Strumms wrote: »

World had gone a bit up it’s hole, actors play the parts of people who they are not !

If I’m putting on a play, say Cry Freedom about Steve Biko, a black South African, do I need to find a black South African to play him ? Will I get in trouble for casting a black English or Irish actor... if there is say a French actor applying for the apart of Donald Woods ? Am I stil insisting a South African plays Woods ?

Or do I get talented actors to represent and tell a story..to ACT ! To play a part, to be who they are not..

Stop speaking sense goddammit, that's now allowed in this 'Age of Wokeness'.

Pussyhands

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

I'll never understand why anyone is still watching the Simpsons. It's been dire for about 20 years.

Every episode is a musical now with some moral story...unwatchable.

Potential-Monke

Pussyhands wrote: »

Every episode is a musical now with some moral story...unwatchable.

I immediately hear the noise Sideshow Bob makes when she steps on those rakes. That sounds terrible!

Papa_Bear wrote: »

I can't even post on boards anymore. I had to get someone that matched my online persona to to post for me. Ya'know just to avoid any possible legal complications down the road:eek:

I think I'm gonna have to call you out on this. You didn't get a real bear to type that, let alone a papa one. If it was a real bear, it would have been more like:

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You're such a racist.

tastyt

Strumms wrote: »

Wonder how long before we are boarding an Aer Lingus flight to New York, it’s becomes evident both pilots are Irish, male, 45-55... and people start kicking off, not wanting the flight to depart until another ethnicity and gender is ‘represented’ in the cockpit...

Woah woah woah , calling it a cockpit is typical of a male dominated world we live in

It should be called a fannypit or something

And don’t get me started on the black box

Riddle101

I've often wondered what things would have been like if My Left Foot or Gandhi had been made today. Daniel Day-Lewis and Ben Kingsley won Oscars for those movies but people today would be in uproar over it probably.

Potential-Monke

I think they're easy enough to change. Cockpit can be changed to pilot area/zone (zone sounds better - "Hiiiighway toooo the pilot zone").

Black box can be changed to just box. Wouldn't cause any confusion:

"Did you recover the box?"
"What box?"
"The box box!"
"Not the box?
"No, the box box"
"Ah got ya, yeah."

Quantum Erasure

Black boxes are actually orange...

Quantum Erasure

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

I'll never understand why anyone is still watching the Simpsons. It's been dire for about 20 years.

Only about 10 years on rte though... (do they still show it even?)

Duckworth_Luas

Sunset Boulevard would be difficult to cast in the current climate, seeing as the main character is dead.

Maybe James Corden's agent could have a word.

Duckworth_Luas

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Sunset Boulevard would be difficult to cast in the current climate, seeing as the main character is dead.

Spoiler alert!


Not sure Corden has the range, tbh.

Zebra3

Strumms wrote: »

World had gone a bit up it’s hole, actors play the parts of people who they are not !

If I’m putting on a play, say Cry Freedom about Steve Biko, a black South African, do I need to find a black South African to play him ? Will I get in trouble for casting a black English or Irish actor... if there is say a French actor applying for the apart of Donald Woods ? Am I stil insisting a South African plays Woods ?

Or do I get talented actors to represent and tell a story..to ACT ! To play a part, to be who they are not..

And if the French actor performs better at the audition but you don’t give him the role, you’re also a racist!! :pac:

jaxxx

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Black boxes are actually orange...

But orange is the new black...

Fandymo

Shouldn't the woke musical Hamilton be banned??

Iguarantee

Iguarantee wrote: »

I always found their depiction of Indian characters to be far more accurate than their depiction of Irish characters.

I’ve met people that sound precisely like Apu. I’ve never met anyone with the horse**** Americanised Irish accent the Simpsons use for Irish characters.

I’ve little issue with how they portray Irish characters, except for the fact that they do it badly in comparison to their other ethnicities/nationalities.

If Hank Azaria feels like he needs to apologise then off with him. He’s certainly successful enough to be in a position to not care.

Out of interest, had people complained that Apu was racist?

I think it is based on country people who emigrated to the states young and grew old over there. I once met a retired cop in NYC who was originally from Galway, and his accent was neither Irish nor American, he sounded like Chief O'Hara from the old batman series. Full on leprechaun.