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Ultimate Battle of The Beatles

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,384 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    Group J
    Girl vs Good Night
    Ticket To Ride vs Thank You Girl
    You're Going to Lose That Girl vs Helter Skelter
    Mother Nature's Son vs Your Mother Should Know


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,222 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    It really wasnt a tough choice for me tbh. Its one of those songs that most seem to love but that Ive never really cared for. Technically its superb of course but its always left me a bit flat.

    Help! on the other hand is just a really fun, very honest and bouncy song that I consistently find myself singing along with.

    That all makes sense and Help! is indeed all of the above. Even so, I still love the slight weirdness and the substantial nature of Strawberry Fields Forever. Two different sides of John Lennon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    Group I

    I Want You (She's So Heavy)
    You've Got to Hide Your Love Away
    No Reply
    Eleanor Rigby


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,403 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    Group I
    Hello Goodbye vs I Want You (She's So Heavy)
    You've Got to Hide Your Love Away
    vs Don't Bother Me
    Maggie Mae vs No Reply
    Eleanor Rigby
    vs Don't Pass Me By


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    Group J

    Girl
    Ticket To Ride
    Helter Skelter
    Mother Nature's Son


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,403 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    Group J
    Girl
    vs Good Night
    Ticket To Ride vs Thank You Girl
    You're Going to Lose That Girl vs Helter Skelter
    Mother Nature's Son vs Your Mother Should Know


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,222 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    Am I going to be the only one voting for Maggie Mae in Group I and/or Good Night in Group J?? Surely not! :o:(

    There's always all day tomorrow - one lives in hope! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,946 ✭✭✭✭ShaneU


    Hello Goodbye vs I Want You (She's So Heavy)
    You've Got to Hide Your Love Away vs Don't Bother Me
    Maggie Mae vs No Reply
    Eleanor Rigby vs Don't Pass Me By

    Girl vs Good Night
    Ticket To Ride vs Thank You Girl
    You're Going to Lose That Girl vs Helter Skelter
    Mother Nature's Son vs Your Mother Should Know


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,094 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    It really wasnt a tough choice for me tbh. Its one of those songs that most seem to love but that Ive never really cared for. Technically its superb of course but its always left me a bit flat.

    Help! on the other hand is just a really fun, very honest and bouncy song that I consistently find myself singing along with.

    Apology not accepted and reasoning refused. Please go back and amend that post. ‘Strawberry Fields’ goes through.

    If we’re doing this competition, we’re doing it right. Don’t worry, I’ll be around to intervene whenever it goes off course. Not need to thank me.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,108 ✭✭✭trashcan


    Arghus wrote: »
    Group B

    Something vs Till there was you - Till there was you is a cool and simple cover. The classical guitars make it and that bossa nova beat is nifty. But, Something is a way more impressive song.

    The Word - If I Needed Someone - If I needed someone is a pretty cool song, very George, and its weirdly ambivalent lyrics and deliberate droning qualities help to give it character.

    But, I absolutely hate Ob-la di, Ob-la-da. Let it Be was McCartney at his best, this is him at his worst. Annoying saccharine shyte. Even the way the piano sounds plasticky and fake annoys me. I love The Beatles, but I do hate that song.

    If I needed someone is a great mid period fabs song, and George’s best to that point. The chiming guitars on it are terrific.

    Fun fact about Ob la di Ob la da - the piano intro at the beginning was Johns, although he allegedly hated the song. They had been struggling with the intro when John came in to the studio, said, right, what are we working on, and proceeded to bash out the intro.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,108 ✭✭✭trashcan


    Group H

    She Came Through The Bathroom Window
    - What a name for a song lol.
    I looked up the lyrics and I'm still none the wiser as to what the song is about :confused:
    '

    They had an intense group of fans who called themselves the Apple Scruffs who used to camp outside their houses. Some of them broke into Paul’s house - through the bathroom window - and helped themselves to some personal items.

    I think I’m too much of a Beatle fan to read this thread fully, I’ll only annoy myself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,108 ✭✭✭trashcan


    Apology not accepted and reasoning refused. Please go back and amend that post. ‘Strawberry Fields’ goes through.

    If we’re doing this competition, we’re doing it right. Don’t worry, I’ll be around to intervene whenever it goes off course. Not need to thank me.

    You are absolutely correct. Help Is ok, but it’s no Strawberry Fields.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,094 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    trashcan wrote: »
    You are absolutely correct. Help Is ok, but it’s no Strawberry Fields.

    I’m fairly confident that simply shouting over everyone else is the only way to see this thing done right.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,108 ✭✭✭trashcan


    Am I going to be the only one voting for Maggie Mae in Group I and/or Good Night in Group J?? Surely not! :o:(

    There's always all day tomorrow - one lives in hope! :)

    Jaysus, Maggie Mae isn’t even a song, just a snippet, and it’s not even theirs. Why are cover versions being included ? I was right in my comment above, this thread is only annoying me, think I’ll have to depart.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,094 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Am I going to be the only one voting for Maggie Mae in Group I and/or Good Night in Group J?? Surely not! :o:(

    There's always all day tomorrow - one lives in hope! :)

    I like ‘Maggie Mae’ but it’s not better than whatever it was up against. It would beat ‘Dig It’ or ‘Wild Honey Pie’ but not much else.

    ‘Good Night’, now there’s a song I’ve hated since I first heard it. I’ve played the White album forwards and backwards but just never warmed to it. I really don’t know why but it’s probably my least favourite Beatles song.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,094 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    trashcan wrote: »
    Jaysus, Maggie Mae isn’t even a song, just a snippet, and it’s not even theirs. Why are cover versions being included ? I was right in my comment above, this thread is only annoying me, think I’ll have to depart.

    It’s a tradition song, no? All album tracks, and possibly singles, are included.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,697 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Group I:

    Hello-Goodbye vs I Want You(She's So Heavy) - In many ways this is a perfect match up. Both songs are the epitome of lyrical simplicity, but yet could not be more different. Hello Goodbye is, despite its surreal touches, a nice airy McCartney number, with lovely melodies and a light feel.

    On the other hand, She's So Heavy Wants to crush you to death.

    She's so Heavy is my absolute number one favourite Beatles song. Musically, it's extremely unrepresentative of the band, but I think thematically it's extremely on point for Lennon. He was Mr. Brutally Honest and it doesn't get more honest than being obsessed with someone to the extent that you can't even communicate anything beyond that: extra words are useless, you'll go mad without them. And that outro - Hole-ee Fuck! - pulverising, neverending, down into the vortex of emotional obsession, until, bang... Deeply unhealthy, of course, but, fck, that's pretty real. If you prefer Hello Goodbye to that, then I respect your opinion but I know you don't really see things like I do at some fundamental level.

    And the details: the bluesy feel of the opening half, the vocal hook in unison with the guitar bends, that cool as a cucumber understated guitar solo, the organ, McCartney's bass doing all kinds of neat runs and fills, the groove on the drums, the cascading harmonies, Lennon screaming his lungs out: fcking outstanding. And then the outro with the building white noise and increasingly evil sounding guitar - these same guys wrote She Loves You and I Want to Hold Your Hand and this. Think about that. C'mon, it's outrageous. This is it. This is why The Beatles were the best.

    You've Got to Hide Your Love Away vs Don't Bother Me - You've got to Hide Your Love Away hits you right in the feels, though I do Like Don't Bother Me.

    Maggie Mae vs No Reply - Maggie Mae is endearing, but it isn't a flesh and blood song, so No Reply here. No Reply is actually a banger, I had definitely underrated it previously. Those suddenly intense parts fair explode and that middle thirty seconds with the piano bashing away and Lennon screaming his head off is great.

    Eleanor Rigby vs Don't Pass Me By - Don't Pass Me By is perfectly lovely, but it's not Eleanor Rigby. Another completely groundbreaking song at the time it was released and it still kills. That pervasive sense of grey sadness, the beautiful strings, the stupidly good melodies, the oppressive feel of those double tracked vocals during the chorus. Near the very top of their best songs.


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,340 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    Group I

    Hello Goodbye
    You've Got to Hide Your Love Away
    No Reply - I suspect I might be the only one voting for this, but I've never liked Eleanor Rigby.
    Don't Pass Me By


    Group J

    Girl - can't say I particularly like it, but the other song is awful.
    Ticket To Ride
    Helter Skelter
    Your Mother Should Know - probably the most forgettable pairing of the tournament so far, this is just marginally less meh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,697 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    That all makes sense and Help! is indeed all of the above. Even so, I still love the slight weirdness and the substantial nature of Strawberry Fields Forever. Two different sides of John Lennon.

    Definitely the most brutal choice so far. I voted Strawberry Fields, but I can't complain about Help getting through - it is a work of genius in its own right too. It's a bit "simpler", but every part of it is pretty much perfect. It isn't a completely inexplicable outcome like the totally forgettable Honey Pie dumping out Tomorrow Never Knows: now that was criminal!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Group I
    Hello Goodbye
    You've Got to Hide Your Love Away
    No Reply
    Eleanor Rigby


    Group J
    Girl
    Ticket to Ride
    You're Going to Lose that Girl
    Mother Nature's Son


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Really enjoying your commentary on the picks Arghus, hope you keep it up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭abff


    Group I

    Hello Goodbye
    You've Got to Hide Your Love Away
    No Reply
    Eleanor Rigby


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭abff


    Group J

    Girl
    Ticket To Ride
    You're Going to Lose That Girl
    Mother Nature's Son


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Group I

    Hello Goodbye

    You've Got to Hide Your Love Away

    No Reply

    Eleanor Rigby


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭abff


    ‘Strawberry Fields’ not getting through is criminal. The work that went into recording that song was phenomenal.

    Stitching together different takes that were in different tempos, and keys, requiring an engineer to get under the desk to reduce the power getting into the console. Criminal!

    As there will be 4 wild cards going through at the end of this round, I don’t think you need to worry too much about Strawberry Fields Forever being eliminated. I’ll be astonished if it doesn’t get one of the wild cards.

    How’s that going to be run by the way? Will be get a list of all 92 first round losers and be asked to choose the 4 we want to go through? Or will everyone just be asked to pick 1 song from the 92?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Everyone picks 4 from the 92 eliminated, the 4 with most votes will go through to round 2.

    I'll post the full list of what's been eliminated for ease of reference once round 1 concludes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,631 ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    Group I
    Hello Goodbye vs I Want You (She's So Heavy)
    You've Got to Hide Your Love Away vs Don't Bother Me
    Maggie Mae vs No Reply
    Eleanor Rigby vs Don't Pass Me By

    Group J
    Girl vs Good Night
    Ticket To Ride vs Thank You Girl
    You're Going to Lose That Girl vs Helter Skelter
    Mother Nature's Son vs Your Mother Should Know


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,222 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    Trigger wrote: »
    Group I
    Hello Goodbye vs I Want You (She's So Heavy)
    You've Got to Hide Your Love Away vs Don't Bother Me
    Maggie Mae vs No Reply
    Eleanor Rigby vs Don't Pass Me By

    Group J
    Girl vs Good Night
    Ticket To Ride vs Thank You Girl
    You're Going to Lose That Girl vs Helter Skelter
    Mother Nature's Son vs Your Mother Should Know

    At least one person is on the same wavelength as me regarding the two underlined songs! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,094 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    At least one person is on the same wavelength as me regarding the two underlined songs! :D

    Disgraceful!

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭ari101


    Group I
    Hello Goodbye
    You've Got to Hide Your Love Away
    No Reply
    Eleanor Rigby


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  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Group J

    Girl

    Ticket To Ride

    Helter Skelter

    Your Mother Should Know


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭ari101


    Group J
    Good Night
    Ticket To Ride
    You're Going to Lose That Girl
    Your Mother Should Know


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,631 ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    Disgraceful!

    In your opinion...


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,943 ✭✭✭✭the purple tin


    Group I
    I Want You (She's So Heavy)
    Don't Bother Me
    Maggie Mae
    Eleanor Rigby


    Group J
    Good Night
    Thank You Girl
    You're Going to Lose That Girl
    Mother Nature's Son


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,222 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    Group I
    I Want You (She's So Heavy)
    Don't Bother Me
    Maggie Mae
    Eleanor Rigby


    Group J
    Good Night
    Thank You Girl
    You're Going to Lose That Girl
    Mother Nature's Son

    That's three now (including me) that have voted for those two underlined, and I thought I would be on my own! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,094 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Trigger wrote: »
    In your opinion...

    My votes should count for 5.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    My votes should count for 5.

    Because you have 5 accounts on here is it?!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭Reberetta


    Group I
    Hello Goodbye
    You've Got to Hide Your Love Away
    No Reply
    Eleanor Rigby

    Group J
    Girl
    Ticket To Ride
    You're Going to Lose That Girl


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 16,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭quickbeam


    Technically its superb of course but its always left me a bit flat.

    This applies to a lot of Beatles songs for me, unfortunately. Though, of course, there are some great ones too.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 16,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭quickbeam


    Mod: Please remember the spirit of the game here. A little gentle ribbing over song preferences is fine, but let's not take this too seriously. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, as in all Tournament games.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭Sawduck


    Group I

    Hello Goodbye
    You've Got to Hide Your Love Away
    Maggie Mae
    Eleanor Rigby


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,697 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Group J:

    Girl vs Good Night - I thought this would be an easy one as I've always liked Girl and had previously found Good Night a bit arch or overly cheesy, but in 2021 I'm surprised about I much I don't mind Good Night. Ringo's voice is great and it's just very nice. After all the chaos and occasional grimness of The White Album it's a pleasant send off and I'll allow myself to think it's sincere.

    But, Girl is class. Some people say Rubber Soul is their best album, being a good halfway point between the pop brilliance of early Beatles and the experimentation of the late period. I don't know, but it's not a completely daft opinion and Girl is one of those songs on it that illustrates that inbetween appeal of that album really well. It's accessible and undemanding at first listen, but it's quite moody and complex - the lyrics are bitter and biting and there's that tension of Lennon audibly breathing in hard throughout the song, like a man in pain. There's this sense of just about contained hysteria in the song, it's a standout from that era. Also it's cool that they are singing "tit, tit, tit" in the background.

    Ticket to Ride vs Thank You Girl - Thank You Girl is grand, the little harmonica fills are cute, but it's nothing special really. Ticket to ride is one of their best. The difference in complexity and craft between the two songs, recorded two years apart, is striking: way more light and shade in the lyrics, far more accomplished musicianship, better hooks and a really interesting arrangement. I love how the drums kinda drag you through the song, very rhythmically interesting song.

    You're Going to Lose That Girl vs Helter Skelter - You're Going to Lose that Girl is pretty good, that hook is damn catchy and while it is simple enough every component part is exactly right.

    But Helter Skelter is way more interesting. Being honest, it's never totally convinced me. I never feel like putting on Helter Skelter when I want to rock out. There's other Beatles tunes that rock my socks off a bit more - Money, Twist and Shout, Yer Blues, Come Together etc, etc - even if Helter Skelter is the most "noisy" song they ever put together. And that myth about it being the invention of Heavy Metal is total crap: The Who had been doing the likes of this since 1965 - but all that aside, I still find it an intriguing enough song. Paul can't really convincingly rock - always a bit mannered, a bit put on - but he does his absolute best here and that main riff is great. I especially like that pure raw guitar part that you get an earful of when the rest of the band fades away for a bit at 3:11, that part does rock, pity it fades out pretty quickly. And of course, Ringo shouting is hilarious.

    Mother Nature's Son vs Your Mother Should Know - Your Mother Should Know is grand - very musical hall-y and a bit fundamentally pointless - but still a far from offensive tune.

    But it's not on the same level as Mother Nature's Son. A truly beautiful song. There's a lot of hippy dippy idealism in the lyrics, but there's a pain in McCartney's voice as he sings them that saves them. And that gorgeous wordless vocal melody, ah, how it manages to be so gorgeous and yet so sad simultaneously. And every part of the accompanying instruments and arrangement is tastefully and perfectly placed. Stunning song.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,946 ✭✭✭✭ShaneU


    Arghus I am looking forward to this deep level of song analysis in your Walrus :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,697 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    ShaneU wrote: »
    Arghus I am looking forward to this deep level of song analysis in your Walrus :pac:

    That's why it's taking so long Shane!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Group K

    I Will



    vs

    The End



    I'm Looking Through You



    vs

    I Saw Her Standing There



    Yes It Is



    vs

    Penny Lane



    Flying



    vs

    Money (That's What I Want)



    Group K
    I Will vs The End
    I'm Looking Through You vs I Saw Her Standing There
    Yes It Is vs Penny Lane
    Flying vs Money (That's What I Want)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,384 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    Group K
    I Will vs The End
    I'm Looking Through You vs I Saw Her Standing There
    Yes It Is vs Penny Lane
    Flying vs Money (That's What I Want)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,094 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    That’s a toughie.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,511 ✭✭✭Purgative


    Group K
    I Will
    I Saw Her Standing There
    Penny Lane
    Money (That's What I Want)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,222 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    Group K
    I Will vs The End - Great musicianship on this track and feature's the best drum solo (maybe the only drum solo!) by Ringo

    I'm Looking Through You vs I Saw Her Standing There

    Yes It Is vs Penny Lane

    Flying vs Money (That's What I Want) - Flying is a very lightweight instrumental that is credited to all four, more likely Paul!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭Reberetta


    Group K

    I Will
    I'm Looking Through You
    Penny Lane
    Money (That's What I Want)


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