Unused cars in housing estates

billyhead

I'm guessing the answer is no and nothing can be done but I live in a cup De sac and at the end of the road there are parked up cars taking up spaces that have been left abandoned by neighbors. The tax has expired, tyres are flat. There taking up visitor car park spaces. Can the council do anything here.

Testacalda

all depends if they are parked in a public place or on private property, to be in a public parking space its supposed to be taxed, if they are on private property there is no legal requirement to have them roadworthy or legal.

billyhead

Testacalda wrote: »

all depends if they are parked in a public place or on private property, to be in a public parking space its supposed to be taxed

It's public parking spaces at the end of the cul de sac.

micah537

Some councils will take them within a week, leave them in the pound for 14days for the owner to collect. Then they scrap it.

I presume its not a gated private estate with a management company? If it is just report it to the management company.

gipi

If the reg plates "fell off" they could be considered abandoned and the council should look after them....

billyhead

micah537 wrote: »

Some councils will take them within a week, leave them in the pound for 14days for the owner to collect. Then they scrap it.

I presume its not a gated private estate with a management company? If it is just report it to the management company.

No. It's a council maintained housing estate. One of the cars has been parked up since last September as the owner got a new car. It's the height of ignorance to deprive visitors of using the space.

Princess Calla

We had something similar ,on road parking , public road etc.

Car was there for ages taking up valuable space , I rang the guards , it was removed within days.

Walnut Stock

The Gardaí are the answer to this problem, it’s illegal to park an untaxed car in a public place.

billyhead

Walnut Stock wrote: »

The Gardaí are the answer to this problem, it’s illegal to park an untaxed car in a public place.

Can you report it anonymously and would they need the owners address?

newmember2

billyhead wrote: »

No. It's a council maintained housing estate. One of the cars has been parked up since last September as the owner got a new car. It's the height of ignorance to deprive visitors of using the space.

Is there a scarcity of parking spaces?

Outkast_IRE

ah man similar problem in my estate on the other side of it. One of the house owners is a shady off books car dealer selling pieces of crap. He was at it for years before i moved in , its not a problem for me as its far enough away not to impact , but the houses around him are idiots for not nipping it in the bud as it devalues the property having around 12 cars chock a block at the end of the cul de sac 3 deep.


The gardai are calling to this guy regularly, so they are attempting to move on him but it should never of been let get this bad.

billyhead

newmember? wrote: »

Is there a scarcity of parking spaces?

Yes.

Cienciano

It's really annoying, had 4 on my road and 2 were outside my house. Two finally moved but still one right outside my house.

GM228

Testacalda wrote: »

all depends if they are parked in a public place or on private property, to be in a public parking space its supposed to be taxed, if they are on private property there is no legal requirement to have them roadworthy or legal.

Strictly speaking, but it is not enforced, few realise that strictly speaking you are legally required to tax any registered vehicle in the state even when kept on private land unless there is an off road vehicle declaration, the not in a public place exemption for motor tax ended in 2013.

Princess Calla

billyhead wrote: »

Can you report it anonymously and would they need the owners address?

What I did was give reg, say appears abandoned tax and insurance appear out of date, not sure if it's stolen.

I don't think I had to give my name.

mikeecho

Walnut Stock wrote: »

The Gardaí are the answer to this problem, it’s illegal to park an untaxed car in a public place.

And all they will do is send a ticket to the registered owner.. the car won't move.

And the registered owner, might not be the actual owner.


Best bet is to wait for a windy night.. the number plates will blow away.

Then contact you local council/corpo and inform them of an abandoned car.

Mintoe

Call the council, they’ll notify the owner by post giving them 28 days to remove it and if they don’t it’s classed as litter and will be removed by council

Walnut Stock

billyhead wrote: »

Can you report it anonymously and would they need the owners address?

I reported one case in person to the Gardai giving them the Registration, they checked it out and the Garda came back to me and told me it belonged to my neighbour and suggested I have a word with him personally. Obviously I knew who it belonged to but I had suggested that it was abandoned. Anyway it got moved eventually.
If a vehicle is untaxed and parked on the public roadway in my opinion it is abandoned.

billyhead

Walnut Stock wrote: »

I reported one case in person to the Gardai giving them the Registration, they checked it out and the Garda came back to me and told me it belonged to my neighbour and suggested I have a word with him personally. Obviously I knew who it belonged to but I had suggested that it was abandoned. Anyway it got moved eventually.
If a vehicle is untaxed and parked on the public roadway in my opinion it is abandoned.

Thanks. I would be reluctant to deal with it myself i.e knocking on their door. I would rather try to get it moved anonymously.

Speedsie

billyhead wrote: »

Thanks. I would be reluctant to deal with it myself i.e knocking on their door. I would rather try to get it moved anonymously.

You could log it on fixmystreet.ie

https://m.fixmystreet.ie/report/18008

Wishbone Ash

I used fixmystreet for an abandoned car parked up near me. Fingal Co Co removed it 2 days later.

grogi

mikeecho wrote: »

And all they will do is send a ticket to the registered owner.. the car won't move.

And the registered owner, might not be the actual owner.


Best bet is to wait for a windy night.. the number plates will blow away.

Then contact you local council/corpo and inform them of an abandoned car.

I reported a car like that, two days later it was towed away.

cml387

It seems to depend on the local authority. There were a few instances near me for a while but the have been removed or moved on to the owner's property, no doubt because words have been had.

cpoh1

Cant for the life of me understand why people wont just talk to their neighbours if they have a concern. Is this the way society has gone with the people we live beside?

They might not be aware that their cars are causing someone an issue, why call the gardai or the council before a simple chat could resolve?

grogi

cpoh1 wrote: »

Cant for the life of me understand why people wont just talk to their neighbours if they have a concern. Is this the way society has gone with the people we live beside?

They might not be aware that their cars are causing someone an issue, why call the gardai or the council before a simple chat could resolve?

How do you think a person that finds dropping a pile of scrap metal in the street is acceptable will react to gentle reminder that it is not fine?

This is not general population we're talking about here.

BanditLuke

cpoh1 wrote: »

Cant for the life of me understand why people wont just talk to their neighbours if they have a concern. Is this the way society has gone with the people we live beside?

They might not be aware that their cars are causing someone an issue, why call the gardai or the council before a simple chat could resolve?

There is a fella in our estate that is a shady car dealer, he's been raided for fake NCT's, Tax and steroid sales before by the Gardai and he has several abandoned cars around the estate and ones near by in other estates. He's also a habitual cocaine user.

I could eh talk to him but what do you think would happen to my own car, or my wife's car or the house if i did that? These people can not be reasoned with.

listermint

newmember? wrote: »

Is there a scarcity of parking spaces?

Doesn't matter , stop parking your old ****e in places you don't own. It's not up to your neighbors to stare at your old crap. If you want to keep it rent some space elsewhere.

listermint

cpoh1 wrote: »

Cant for the life of me understand why people wont just talk to their neighbours if they have a concern. Is this the way society has gone with the people we live beside?

They might not be aware that their cars are causing someone an issue, why call the gardai or the council before a simple chat could resolve?

Most people that do this are absolute pricks tbf.

Lofidelity

They should clamp down on untaxed cars parked on roads where there is high demand for parking. It would free up lots of spaces for residents, visitors and trades people. Some people could do with the push to decide are they really going to fix up that old car or is it time to call the scrapper?

billyhead

listermint wrote: »

Most people that do this are absolute pricks tbf.

I would be wary of talking to them directly. How can you predict what reaction you would get. Also I am not one for generalising but it's a mostly private housing estate and these are council housing occupants that the house was purchased by the council for Social housing needs. They might not be willing to engage constructively.

Cienciano

cpoh1 wrote: »

Cant for the life of me understand why people wont just talk to their neighbours if they have a concern. Is this the way society has gone with the people we live beside?

They might not be aware that their cars are causing someone an issue, why call the gardai or the council before a simple chat could resolve?

because it can go 2 ways. You ask him to move it. He moves it.

You ask him to move it. He doesn't move it. Gives you an excuse and says he's going to sell it. 6 months later it's still there, flat tyres and covered in moss. You have another word. Another excuse. Someone is buying it but never turned up. 3 months pass. Still there. You say it again but feel a bit awkward. Neighbour says "I told you twice, i'm selling it". It's still there. Neighbour thinks you're a prick. You think the neighbour is a prick. Makes life awkward as fúck until one of you move. Car is still there.

Miscreant

cpoh1 wrote: »

Cant for the life of me understand why people wont just talk to their neighbours if they have a concern. Is this the way society has gone with the people we live beside?

They might not be aware that their cars are causing someone an issue, why call the gardai or the council before a simple chat could resolve?

I find that a lot of housing estates are just anonymous rows of houses where people barely know each other. I have owned my home for over 17 years and only know 2 of my neighbours (one either side of my house). The only way for me to tell if someone owns a particular car would be to look in their driveway but if something is parked on the road I would have no clue at all.

Reporting it to the council is the least painful way IMO and is the way I would go if there was an abandoned car in front of my house causing a nuisance. There are procedures in place at local government level to deal with these things so let the process do it's thing.... Private estates are a different kettle of fish and should probably be dealt with through the Management company however if someone has abandoned a car in their own assigned spot, I doubt there is anything that can be done.

BanditLuke

billyhead wrote: »

I would be wary of talking to them directly. How can you predict what reaction you would get. Also I am not one for generalising but it's a mostly private housing estate and these are council housing occupants that the house was purchased by the council for Social housing needs. They might not be willing to engage constructively.

Yes you are generalising.

Wishbone Ash

cpoh1 wrote: »

Cant for the life of me understand why people wont just talk to their neighbours if they have a concern. Is this the way society has gone with the people we live beside?......

Perhaps you have decent neighbours who are unlikely to be causing a nuisance in the first place. There was a high profile thug living (illegally) on my street a couple of doors down from me. Would you engage with someone who has done several stretches for murder and rape and many other sickening crimes? Thankfully he's back 'inside' again after a dramatic arrest by the ERU.

Larbre34

If you can link the cars to specific houses, report each of them for littering.

I'm a director of the private estate where I live and we adopted a policy withdrawing parking privileges for anyone who keeps an out-of-use car on site. In other words, we clamp their active cars. Quite amazing how quickly it stopped being a problem.

newmember2

listermint wrote: »

Doesn't matter , stop parking your old ****e in places you don't own. It's not up to your neighbors to stare at your old crap. If you want to keep it rent some space elsewhere.

Calm down, it's not my car in the OP ffs.

phill106

Larbre34 wrote: »

If you can link the cars to specific houses, report each of them for littering.

I'm a director of the private estate where I live and we adopted a policy withdrawing parking privileges for anyone who keeps an out-of-use car on site. In other words, we clamp their active cars. Quite amazing how quickly it stopped being a problem.

Estates can have directors now?
Sounds very close to the dreaded home owner associations in the states.

grogi

phill106 wrote: »

Estates can have directors now?
Sounds very close to the dreaded home owner associations in the states.

Someone needs to take decisions...

RandomViewer

billyhead wrote: »

It's public parking spaces at the end of the cul de sac.

Is it a private estate?

cpoh1

Cienciano wrote: »

because it can go 2 ways. You ask him to move it. He moves it.

You ask him to move it. He doesn't move it. Gives you an excuse and says he's going to sell it. 6 months later it's still there, flat tyres and covered in moss. You have another word. Another excuse. Someone is buying it but never turned up. 3 months pass. Still there. You say it again but feel a bit awkward. Neighbour says "I told you twice, i'm selling it". It's still there. Neighbour thinks you're a prick. You think the neighbour is a prick. Makes life awkward as fúck until one of you move. Car is still there.

Except none of that happened in the original situation. First port of call should always be to speak to your neighbour in 95% of cases.

I had one of my weekend cars outside my house for 2 months a while back because i had no space in my drive and it needed work, a neighbour mentioned it to me in a friendly way if the plan was to keep it there longterm, I explained the scenario and moved it the same week, we all get on well. Can you imagine how it would have felt to have a garda or the council contact me saying that it was reported by a neighbour? Its just not how people should treat each other.

No success or joy with talkoing to them then go to plan B or C with the council and gardai.

RandomViewer

Larbre34 wrote: »

If you can link the cars to specific houses, report each of them for littering.

I'm a director of the private estate where I live and we adopted a policy withdrawing parking privileges for anyone who keeps an out-of-use car on site. In other words, we clamp their active cars. Quite amazing how quickly it stopped being a problem.

You'd have no legal right to do so and could find yourself in court for criminal damage,

cpoh1

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Perhaps you have decent neighbours who are unlikely to be causing a nuisance in the first place. There was a high profile thug living (illegally) on my street a couple of doors down from me. Would you engage with someone who has done several stretches for murder and rape and many other sickening crimes? Thankfully he's back 'inside' again after a dramatic arrest by the ERU.

Jesus, talk about building a strawman, not all neighbours are rapists/murderers, paedophiles. Or maybe im just extremely lucky.

L1011

RandomViewer wrote: »

You'd have no legal right to do so and could find yourself in court for criminal damage,

In an estate with a management company who own the land such as was explicitly mentioned in that scenario, they would be covered by the clamping regs from a few years ago.

TheW1zard

The council wont take away an untaxed car as it's not abandoned. If its outside the owners.
The guards are they best bet.

billyhead

RandomViewer wrote: »

Is it a private estate?

It's a public council managed estate with a mixture of mostly private housing and some council houses.

billyhead

TheW1zard wrote: »

The council wont take away an untaxed car as it's not abandoned. If its outside the owners.
The guards are they best bet.

It's not outside the owners house. It's parked in a car parking space away from their house.

RandomViewer

billyhead wrote: »

It's not outside the owners house. It's parked in a car parking space away from their house.

Are the spaces alloted?

billyhead

RandomViewer wrote: »

Are the spaces alloted?

No.

Nigzcurran

I used fixmystreet for 2 separate cars and it worked wonders both times

FrankC21

billyhead wrote: »

I'm guessing the answer is no and nothing can be done but I live in a cup De sac and at the end of the road there are parked up cars taking up spaces that have been left abandoned by neighbors. The tax has expired, tyres are flat. There taking up visitor car park spaces. Can the council do anything here.

In my estate we have an association, the association wrote letter to each houses not to park in a Cul de sac as this is only used for emergency situation in case an ambulance or fire service needed the space to park or turn their vehicle, still today being used as parking space, some people doesn't care at all.

TheW1zard

billyhead wrote: »

It's not outside the owners house. It's parked in a car parking space away from their house.

If you can see the house from the car it wouldn't be classed as abandoned. It should be! I've tried!