Is soocer boring?

Sunny Disposition

I'm not sure. I used to really like it up to about 2000. Very tactical nowadays, managers are a lot more clued in about opponents and there is much les spontaneous action nowadays.

Depends on the game.

It’s always tremendously entertaining when Manchester United are being heavily beaten.

Allinall

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

I'm not sure. I used to really like it up to about 2000. Very tactical nowadays, managers are a lot more clued in about opponents and there is much les spontaneous action nowadays.

Not if you're from Luxembourg.

CalamariFritti

Too much of it is. I worry lockdown is going to turn me off watching football. We need to add that to the disadvantages of lockdown. :pac:

Smee_Again

It's pretty boring, I still watch a fair bit of it but finding myself less and less interested in it.

The Champions League knock out second legs are usually good for some excitement.

Sunny Disposition

Smee_Again wrote: »

It's pretty boring, I still watch a fair bit of it but finding myself less and less interested in it.

The Champions League knock out second legs are usually good for some excitement.

Yeah, the knock out stages of the Champions League are great because of the away goals rule, which drives everyone a bit insane and results in way more drama.

It’s a bit dull yeah

You’ll never see a 0-0 Hurling, Rugby or GAA match - yet there’s several of them every weekend in soccer

yourdeadwright

Its boring if you find it boring

I love it personally but if someone else isn't it to it then that's fair enough ,

Quantum Erasure

Batrachotox wrote: »

It’s a bit dull yeah

You’ll never see a 0-0 Hurling, Rugby or GAA match - yet there’s several of them every weekend in soccer

I've seen exciting nil all draws, not while Ireland were playing mind...

Omackeral

Going to matches every week is fun. Chanting and having displays with your fellow supporters, banter at stupid stuff in the stadium, half time pints, seeing aul lads you dont really know but still get a nod off. Going to nice and not-so-nice places on away days on a bus or train or your mates banged up Passat. Maybe seeing a glimpse of the next future international call up before anyone else does. It's class.

Unfortunately, too many people in this country think of football as nothing more than a tv show.

French Toast

2019 Champions League final - 2 scores in 90 mins of play.
2019 Rugby World Cup final - 11 scores in 80 minutes of play.
2019 AI Senior Hurling final - 48 scores in 70 minutes of play.

Is that a fair metric? Probably definitely isn't.

Is soccer a boring game? More often than not, yeah.

Seve OB

what's soocer?

ThewhiteJesus

it's modern man, weak and easily offended, and quick to try and cheat it's poisoned the game.
The days of a "mans game" and honor and integrity are long gone.
But i'll tip my cap here to the womens game who don't try and cheat at every tackle/non tackle.

Quantum Erasure

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

I've seen exciting nil all draws, not while Ireland were playing mind...

Ah yeah of course some can be exciting

For the most part though...

Sunny Disposition

French Toast wrote: »

2019 Champions League final - 2 scores in 90 mins of play.
2019 AI Senior Hurling final - 48 scores in 70 minutes of play.

Is that a fair metric? Probably definitely isn't.

Is soccer a boring game? Probably definitely is.

No, it's not. Hurling is getting boring too, way too many scores. Plus it has a similar problem to soccer in that it has become far too tactical.

Omackeral

Say what you will but nothing grips the entire nation like the international football team does at a World Cup. GAA All-Ireland final day is massive but it's tribal and therefore divisive by it's very nature. Slick marketing campaigns can say This Is Rugby Country as much as they want but when it gets to it, Republic of Ireland at a major football/soccer finals is what unites this land.

yourdeadwright

Batrachotox wrote: »

It’s a bit dull yeah

You’ll never see a 0-0 Hurling, Rugby or GAA match - yet there’s several of them every weekend in soccer

At the same time that's what makes a goal so special


All the sports you named are high scoring games by nature so for example in a hurling or GAA game you'd do well to remember how every point was scored after the game ,

Omackeral

yourdeadwright wrote: »

At the same time that's what makes a goal so special

Good point (pun not intended)

Hamsterchops

Seve OB wrote: »

what's soocer?

Association Football, or just football, as most supporters call it.

What kind of action OP?

I believe a game more down your alley is one played in Italy, where teams can do whatever they like to each other. Not boring. Follow that instead. Maybe ask for a forum in sport on it. I'll try and search for it and if I find the game i'll post it back here.

Sunny Disposition

Way too many scores in hurling now, a lot to be said for the scarcity value of a soccer goal. But I'd say they're still a little bit too rare.

Seve OB

Seve OB wrote: »

what's soocer?

A combination of soccer and snooker. Never played it?

Pherekydes

It's become very middle class. You could say it's for the (Luxem)bourgeoisie.

Fr Tod Umptious

French Toast wrote: »

2019 Champions League final - 2 scores in 90 mins of play.
2019 Rugby World Cup final - 11 scores in 80 minutes of play.
2019 AI Senior Hurling final - 48 scores in 70 minutes of play.

Is that a fair metric? Probably definitely isn't.

Is soccer a boring game? More often than not, yeah.

I find soccer mind boggling boring.

I used to try and get into it but never could.

Now I'm more interested in the money and politics of the sport

The problem with soccer is the ratio of scores to play.

A team to posse the ball for the majority of the 90 mins and not have a single shot on target never mind score.

American's of a certain age always rip the piss out of soccer for that very reason.

They play around for ages and nothing happens.

If someone has to explain to me the intricacies of defending, or midfield play then they have already lost me.

yourdeadwright

Omackeral wrote: »

Going to matches every week is fun. Chanting and having displays with your fellow supporters, banter at stupid stuff in the stadium, half time pints, seeing aul lads you dont really know but still get a nod off. Going to nice and not-so-nice places on away days on a bus or train or your mates banged up Passat. Maybe seeing a glimpse of the next future international call up before anyone else does. It's class.

Unfortunately, too many people in this country think of football as nothing more than a tv show.

Your probably a lovely chap but sometimes you come across as having a superiority complex about soccer because you go to LOI games,


People can enjoy the game and be completely enthralled by it and not enjoy LOI games or support a LOI teams ,plenty of reasons why people can not attend games for numerous different reason's doesn't make them less of a fan ,


Out of interest who's games do you go to ?


If you enjoy going to every game then that great all power to you ,

Jimmy Two Times

Just treat yourself to watching Leeds United under Marcelo Bielsa and you'll never be bored.

In fact,just start supporting Leeds United and you'll never be bored. On the pitch or off the pitch,it's a rollercoaster ride.

Insect Overlord

Is soccer boring? Some matches yes, some matches no.

Always a chance of a moment of magic though. League 1 and League 2 highlights tend to have the best goals and the more hilarious mistakes.

Hyperbollix

I stopped following the premiership in the last 5 plus years. It just feels more like WWE than a competitive sport now. Every club is packed with overpaid primadonnas that are more interested in their social media profiles and angling for bigger salaries and big money transfers, than they are about actually winning games.

When you think about big matches in the premiership in the old days, they had the same intensity as you see with big All Ireland clashes here. That's all ancient history now. The game has been commercialized and commodified to within an inch of it's life. But sure, that's what happening with everything anyway, might as well befall soccer as well.

I'll look forward to your Abe Simpson memes.

Sunny Disposition

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Your probably a lovely chap but sometimes you come across as having a superiority complex about soccer because you go to LOI games,


People can enjoy the game and be completely enthralled by it and not enjoy LOI games or support a LOI teams ,plenty of reasons why people can not attend games for numerous different reason's doesn't make them less of a fan ,


Out of interest who's games do you go to ?


If you enjoy going to every game then that great all power to you ,

Yeah, all of the things he's saying are incidental to the actual games.

dan1895

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Your probably a lovely chap but sometimes you come across as having a superiority complex about soccer because you go to LOI games,


People can enjoy the game and be completely enthralled by it and not enjoy LOI games or support a LOI teams ,plenty of reasons why people can not attend games for numerous different reason's doesn't make them less of a fan ,


Out of interest who's games do you go to ?


If you enjoy going to every game then that great all power to you ,

People who go week in week out are most definitely bigger fans than some lad with a Sky Sports subscription.

dan1895

dan1895 wrote: »

People who go week in week out are most definitely bigger fans than some lad with a Sky Sports subscription.

Or the goon who thinks he a great supporter with that Virgin Media / Eir sports package. " oh yeah! "

The providers don't give a toss.

EmmetSpiceland

The English Premier League has stagnated, very few teams play any sort of “attractive” football. You have Man City backed by an oil state and everyone else trying to keep up.

You do see some glimpses of good football every now and then, teams like Liverpool and, my own, mighty Leeds but mostly you’re watching these drab games where VAR makes some very dodgy “decision” so that Man United can get a penalty to win a poor game.

I would have, well documented, fears that once things go back to normal here the League of Ireland attendances could drop due to the, very fickle, ex-Man United “supporters” flocking back to support the team they left for dead once they started being shít. Hopefully this season is just a blip and it won’t come to that but it’s a real fear

Temptamperu

god I hate football. Matches seem to go on forever... I'm just there for the gargle

yourdeadwright

dan1895 wrote: »

People who go week in week out are most definitely bigger fans than some lad with a Sky Sports subscription.

Simply not true,


There are numerous reason why


I'll give you one example, I know lads who go to games every week just for the piss up and know little of the football & or have ever kicked a ball in there life's ( both GAA & LOI )


Then I know lads who now live abroad or down the country and still catch every game on tv or online at all hours of the night, and spend every day keeping tabs on what's going on but simply can't make it to games


Life is not black & white ,

Omackeral

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Your probably a lovely chap but sometimes you come across as having a superiority complex about soccer because you go to LOI games,

People can enjoy the game and be completely enthralled by it and not enjoy LOI games or support a LOI teams ,plenty of reasons why people can not attend games for numerous different reason's doesn't make them less of a fan ,

I didn't once mention LOI on this thread. Mentioned that going to matches trumps watching them on tv, imo. Applies to any country really. Insert any club from any country there and it rings true. I don't see how that makes me come over as superior?

Cilldara_2000

Like most other sports (including GAA) soccer has been ruined by money. None of them are about the best team/player winning anymore - it's all about who has the most resources.

And yes, it's boring af. Used to watch it all the time but had turned it off it so much that even in the middle of the pandemic I was barely watching any and so cancelled my Sky Sports.

dan1895

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Simply not true,


There are numerous reason why


I'll give you one example, I know lads who go to games every week just for the piss up and know little of the football & or have ever kicked a ball in there life's ( both GAA & LOI )


Then I know lads who now live abroad or down the country and still catch every game on tv or online at all hours of the night, and spend every day keeping tabs on what's going on but simply can't make it to games


Life is not black & white ,

You know damn well that's not the kind of person I'm talking about and they are the exception to the rule.

Omackeral

dan1895 wrote: »

People who go week in week out are most definitely bigger fans than some lad with a Sky Sports subscription.

If you say that you're somehow wrong/bitter/smug but I would say it's just fact logically in most cases?

I like watching Ireland's national team but the fella or girl who goes to all of their games including to the likes of Georgia and Azerbaijan is far more dedicated than me, who might go once a decade. Same is true of someone going to UK to watch a team every 5 years vs someone who goes all the time. It shouldn't be controversial to say that but it seems to be over here. People get their backs up over it.

yourdeadwright

Omackeral wrote: »

I didn't once mention LOI on this thread. Mentioned that going to matches trumps watching them on tv, imo. Applies to any country really. Insert any club from any country there and it rings true. I don't see how that makes me come over as superior?

Iv come across you long enough to know exactly what you where implying ,

yourdeadwright

Omackeral wrote: »

If you say that you're somehow wrong/bitter/smug but I would say it's just fact logically in most cases?

I like watching Ireland's national team but the fella or girl who goes to all of their games including to the likes of Georgia and Azerbaijan is far more dedicated than me, who might go once a decade. Same is true of someone going to UK to watch a team every 5 years vs someone who goes all the time. It shouldn't be controversial to say that but it seems to be over here. People get their backs up over it.

Not controversial just not always correct ,


Its completely off the topic anyway

yourdeadwright

dan1895 wrote: »

You know damn well that's not the kind of person I'm talking about and they are the exception to the rule.

You made a blanket statement , I gave you an example


If someone has a family and can't afford to go to every game anymore does that make them less of a fan than a single person who can afford it ?


So many situation where someone who is a proper fan cant attend games,

swimming in a sea

i used to love italian football when on channel 4 back in the 90's, goals were a rare thing in them days, Franco Baresi / Paolo Maldini / Giuseppe Bergomi / etc. like brick walls.

yourdeadwright

Also on the topic of people watching Premier league games over LOI games ,

I cant take credit as someone else once said it , they didn't have a LOI team near them so didn't feel connected and watched the Prem over LOI because of quality ,

When pressed on it he said Would you rather sit down and watch Badlands on Virgin media (could be RTE ) or watch the Wire on HBO ,

I thought that pretty much summed it up for me ,

dan1895

yourdeadwright wrote: »

You made a blanket statement , I gave you an example


If someone has a family and can't afford to go to every game anymore does that make them less of a fan than a single person who can afford it ?


So many situation where someone who is a proper fan cant attend games,

I have a family and can't go to as many games as I used to (in normal circumstances). Does this mean the lads who go every week are bigger fans?

Yes it does.

dan1895

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Also on the topic of people watching Premier league games over LOI games ,

I cant take credit as someone else once said it , they didn't have a LOI team near them so didn't feel connected and watched the Prem over LOI because of quality ,

When pressed on it he said Would you rather sit down and watch Badlands on Virgin media (could be RTE ) or watch the Wire on HBO ,

I thought that pretty much summed it up for me ,

Comparing attending live football to tv shows is not something people who go to live football do.

yourdeadwright

dan1895 wrote: »

I have a family and can't go to as many games as I used to (in normal circumstances). Does this mean the lads who go every week are bigger fans?

Yes it does.

That's your opinion and that's fair enough . I would disagree

Wabbit Ears

My 10yo son LOVES football. Loves playing it, follows Liverpool, Gets the kits etc. I got in sky sports for him to watch the matches and guess what? Zero interest. He'll sat in for a few mins at the start of the odd match but soon loses interest. He sometimes sits in for a while when his grandad is over but again, gets bored quickly.

On the other hand He watched E-games all the time. He'll watch fortnite, minecraft, roblox, Rocket leauge etc all day of he could. The action is non stop, the youtubers/Commentators are entertaining and hilarious. Jesus christ listening to half time commentary on TV Football is a chore in itself. Old ex palyers talking ****e in monotones with faces on them fit for funerals.

Folk will of course say its different, its an apples and oranges comparison between watching video games online and watching football. Many will look down on e-games and write it off. But IMHO, it is teh same at a base level, but e-games is oh so much better and the old football format is a dying dinosaur.

Route1

To the unenlightened, yes.

Fr Tod Umptious

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

My 10yo son LOVES football. Loves playing it, follows Liverpool, Gets the kits etc. I got in sky sports for him to watch the matches and guess what? Zero interest. He'll sat in for a few mins at the start of the odd match but soon loses interest. He sometimes sits in for a while when his grandad is over but again, gets bored quickly.

On the other hand He watched E-games all the time. He'll watch fortnite, minecraft, roblox, Rocket leauge etc all day of he could. The action is non stop, the youtubers/Commentators are entertaining and hilarious. Jesus christ listening to half time commentary on TV Football is a chore in itself. Old ex palyers talking ****e in monotones with faces on them fit for funerals.

Folk will of course say its different, its an apples and oranges comparison between watching video games online and watching football. Many will look down on e-games and write it off. But IMHO, it is teh same at a base level, but e-games is oh so much better and the old football format is a dying dinosaur.

Exactly the same in this house

Tell him there is a Liverpool match on and he'll be all excited

Then by the time it's on he will have watched a few minutes then gone to the PlayStation or tablet to watch some guy on YouTube commentate on a Minecraft or even better he'll go outside and play.

Omackeral

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Iv come across you long enough to know exactly what you where implying ,

Why dont you take the personals out of it and deal with what was said? Without mentioning LOI, this statement applies. Dissect it on its merits and tell me what's wrong with what was said.

Omackeral

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Also on the topic of people watching Premier league games over LOI games ,

I cant take credit as someone else once said it , they didn't have a LOI team near them so didn't feel connected and watched the Prem over LOI because of quality ,
When pressed on it he said Would you rather sit down and watch Badlands on Virgin media (could be RTE ) or watch the Wire on HBO ,

I thought that pretty much summed it up for me ,

Sums up a lot for me too. When you can equate supporting a team to watching tv shows, it says it all.