Village Magazine hint at yet another new political party

awec

https://twitter.com/VillageMagIRE/status/1374274483570233348

Village Magazine seem to be doing some PR for someone behind the scenes (they're supposedly a serious publication, right?) who is feeding them info on what appears to be the disaffected wing of the Greens / former Greens (the watermelons).

Just what the left needs, another party to split the vote. We haven't had a new one in a while now.

Imagine all the brilliant policies contained within those lovely blue folders

L1011

We lost one single seat hard left party in a merger recently so clearly theres an opening to further split FPV...

Any chance they can go down a folder level or is it just a list of empty folders.

As someone looking for a new party to align to it is an absolutely daft tweet. A few publications would be nice.

James Brown

awec wrote: »

https://twitter.com/VillageMagIRE/status/1374274483570233348

Village Magazine seem to be doing some PR for someone behind the scenes (they're supposedly a serious publication, right?) who is feeding them info on what appears to be the disaffected wing of the Greens / former Greens (the watermelons).

Just what the left needs, another party to split the vote. We haven't had a new one in a while now.

Standing for something is an inconvenience the right don't suffer from.

FromADistance

I'd say Sinn Fein are quaking in their boots. Tells you all you need to know about the sorry state of politics in this country. Too many too many chiefs and not enough Indians comes to mind....

James Brown

FromADistance wrote: »

I'd say Sinn Fein are quaking in their boots. Tells you all you need to know about the sorry state of politics in this country. Too many too many chiefs and not enough Indians comes to mind....

Another right leaning SD type party is needed to give people an option outside of FF/FG IMO.

Eric Cartman

James Brown wrote: »

Another right leaning SD type party is needed to give people an option outside of FF/FG IMO.

We absolutely need something right of centre, a cut taxes cut spending party with no opinion on abortion.

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

We absolutely need something right of centre, a cut taxes cut spending party with no opinion on abortion.

Yes

37 parties ran in the recent Dutch election, I can't quite wrap my head around that

awec

Eric Cartman wrote: »

We absolutely need something right of centre, a cut taxes cut spending party with no opinion on abortion.

A party cannot have no opinion on abortion if it wants to be taken seriously.

FromADistance

James Brown wrote: »

Another right leaning SD type party is needed to give people an option outside of FF/FG IMO.

The problem is that you'd mainly see disenfranchised people from those parties jump ship to any new type of 'SD right'. There's too many career politicans as it is.

Donald Trump

A red-green party?

They'll do great at the start, get on a roll, win all their preliminary matches, build their hopes up and throw it away in the final.

Mayo

Normal One

Mixing red and green gives brown....

For Forks Sake

Eric Cartman

awec wrote: »

A party cannot have no opinion on abortion if it wants to be taken seriously.

it can, being anti abortion is political suicide, but having no opinion on abortion is fine. Look at FF, MM held out till almost the end before supporting repeal, most candidates had no mention of it in their election literature and now they don't remark on it at all. A party being apathetic to abortion and allowing candidates to go whichever way, and being lucky enough not to have urban candidates who are pro-life is the best chance a party has to succeed.

L1011

Eric Cartman wrote: »

We absolutely need something right of centre, a cut taxes cut spending party with no opinion on abortion.

Considering most of the early base for such a party would be people leaving FF and FG, there would be an obvious tilt one way or the other on that issue immediately.

Eric Cartman

L1011 wrote: »

Considering most of the early base for such a party would be people leaving FF and FG, there would be an obvious tilt one way or the other on that issue immediately.

I think the outcomes, and the defined barriers to entry change things though. I absolutely would have given a thought to renua if they didn't play that card , know a fair few more who would have too. Its that which killed them.

FF and FG is littered with people who are anti abortion in themselves but would never deprive someone else , and those who are voraciously anti abortion but would never put themselves under that tent for fear of losing clients / family arguments / public hypocrisy etc.. FF and FG had the great image of plausible deniability ' I might be for or against, who knows' , renua lacked that.

Darc19

Has Paul Murphy split up with pbprisesocialistswhateveryou'rehavingyourself party already?

I'm gonna suggest that Paddy Cosgrove is going to be involved in a new party for the following reasons :

He has been channeling is inner Trump of late. He's not explicitly saying "drain the swamp" or "fake news media" but 90% of his tweets are on those messages.

He has been saying that as an elite, or "crony", he knows better than anyone what's going on and how to dismantle it.

He has been persistently attacking "establishment" individuals in the most personal and negative manner.

He has probably the biggest ego of any Irishman I've ever seen, is completly insincere and only cares about the glory of Paddy Cosgrove.

Whilst being about as nasty as anyone other than Trump can be on Twitter, he has also referred to change that is "coming"

I have no doubt his ambition would include leading up a country with an international tech hub.

So he's an Irish Trump, but recognising that rabid right wing rhetoric won't get you too far in this country, he has been focusing on populist left messaging. Which is at odds with his career to date.

He's also been bigging up The Village as the only source of reputable journalism in this country (though I find them a bit immature and a bit too biased and hyperbolic to consider them so)


So you've heard it here first. But I don't think it will be a success.

Eric Cartman

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm gonna suggest that Paddy Cosgrove is going to be involved in a new party for the following reasons :

He has been channeling is inner Trump of late. He's not explicitly saying "drain the swamp" or "fake news media" but 90% of his tweets are on those messages.

He has been saying that as an elite, or "crony", he knows better than anyone what's going on and how to dismantle it.

He has been persistently attacking "establishment" individuals in the most personal and negative manner.

He has probably the biggest ego of any Irishman I've ever seen, is completly insincere and only cares about the glory of Paddy Cosgrove.

Whilst being about as nasty as anyone other than Trump can be on Twitter, he has also referred to change that is "coming"

I have no doubt his ambition would include leading up a country with an international tech hub.

So he's an Irish Trump, but recognising that rabid right wing rhetoric won't get you too far in this country, he has been focusing on populist left messaging. Which is at odds with his career to date.

He's also been bigging up The Village as the only source of reputable journalism in this country (though I find them a bit immature and a bit too biased and hyperbolic to consider them so)


So you've heard it here first. But I don't think it will be a success.

Ive been betting he's one step away from holding a David icke level press conference and blaming the jews on something for a while now. He's definitely ramping up to that ol chestnut.

L1011

Anyone getting in to bed politically with Cosgrave wouldn't enjoy it. If you expect the Taoiseach to try fix your wifi, you're likely to try delegate absolutely everything else too.

The last, entirely different in character but similar in so far as being an "internet celebrity", erm, internet celebrity to try get anywhere was Dylan Haskins who had a huge campaign and flopped entirely. But that was as an Independent, not a party basis.

awec

Funnily enough I was thinking of Paddy Cosgrave too. He has been doing some odd advertising on Facebook recently, paid for by himself. All political, attacking the government. From a business point of view it's fairly stupid, there has to be another angle and this could be it.

He's a truly insufferable character.

Real Donald Trump

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm gonna suggest that Paddy Cosgrove is going to be involved in a new party for the following reasons :

He has been channeling is inner Trump of late. He's not explicitly saying "drain the swamp" or "fake news media" but 90% of his tweets are on those messages.

He has been saying that as an elite, or "crony", he knows better than anyone what's going on and how to dismantle it.

He has been persistently attacking "establishment" individuals in the most personal and negative manner.

He has probably the biggest ego of any Irishman I've ever seen, is completly insincere and only cares about the glory of Paddy Cosgrove.

Whilst being about as nasty as anyone other than Trump can be on Twitter, he has also referred to change that is "coming"

I have no doubt his ambition would include leading up a country with an international tech hub.

So he's an Irish Trump, but recognising that rabid right wing rhetoric won't get you too far in this country, he has been focusing on populist left messaging. Which is at odds with his career to date.

He's also been bigging up The Village as the only source of reputable journalism in this country (though I find them a bit immature and a bit too biased and hyperbolic to consider them so)


So you've heard it here first. But I don't think it will be a success.

Doubt it, he's part of the Zero Covid bunch, who worships St Jacinda

Bubbaclaus

I've nothing to add apart from agree with the statements below.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He has probably the biggest ego of any Irishman I've ever seen, is completly insincere and only cares about the glory of Paddy Cosgrove.

awec wrote: »

He's a truly insufferable character.

Beechwoodspark

About 5 years ago there was a phase of a few weeks where I was in the company of paddy cosgrave in social situations. (Mutual friends). I had a few conversations with him but I spent most of the time just observing.

Very smart guy when it comes to tech

BUT - absolutely tone deaf when it came to social issues, politics or even simple interactions with “ordinary people”.

He lives in a privileged bubble and has no “common sense” from what I could see.

Beechwoodspark

He’d say things like “AI is amazing. in 10 years time robots will be doing most of the jobs people do now, we will have so much leisure time”

People would just nod and smile then get back to talking about the weekends football etc

Eric Cartman

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

About 5 years ago there was a phase of a few weeks where I was in the company of paddy cosgrave in social situations. (Mutual friends). I had a few conversations with him but I spent most of the time just observing.

Very smart guy when it comes to tech

BUT - absolutely tone deaf when it came to social issues, politics or even simple interactions with “ordinary people”.

He lives in a privileged bubble and has no “common sense” from what I could see.

We all know what you're trying to say, he definitely is.

awec

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

About 5 years ago there was a phase of a few weeks where I was in the company of paddy cosgrave in social situations. (Mutual friends). I had a few conversations with him but I spent most of the time just observing.

Very smart guy when it comes to tech

BUT - absolutely tone deaf when it came to social issues, politics or even simple interactions with “ordinary people”.

He lives in a privileged bubble and has no “common sense” from what I could see.

He's a total bluffer when it comes to tech. I remember him explaining on twitter how he "hacked" the password for the Varadkar leak PDF, he made it sound very impressive when in reality it was very rudimentary stuff. His "fancy AI" (machine learning) for house prices that he wouldn't release for verification (cause it was bollocks). He's full of it.

He likes to market himself as a tech CEO cause that's trendier and more impressive than being an event planner.

Feisar

Any chance it’s a FF/FG ploy to keep the left split?

Dyr

awec wrote: »

He's a total bluffer when it comes to tech. I remember him explaining on twitter how he "hacked" the password for the Varadkar leak PDF, he made it sound very impressive when in reality it was very rudimentary stuff. His "fancy AI" (machine learning) for house prices that he wouldn't release for verification (cause it was bollocks). He's full of it.

He likes to market himself as a tech CEO cause that's trendier and more impressive than being an event planner.

Dealt with the guy a fair bit years back, he's clueless about technology, he's not even much of an event planner. What he is very good at is hype and networking. He's a marketer

Cant see the likes of Murphy or any ultra greens signing up with him.

Eric Cartman

Bambi wrote: »

Dealt with the guy a fair bit years back, he's clueless about technology, he's not even much of an event planner. What he is very good at is hype and networking. He's a marketer

Cant see the likes of Murphy or any ultra greens signing up with him.

His 'only apply if you have a degree from trinity' job ads too. The guy is every shady sales stereotype , he'd do well to sell merc's in Beverley hills. Perfect role for him.

To be fair, he's very driven and has made a few bob.

That's all I have.

suicide_circus

Well we've known there is a schism in the GP for quite some time between the old school environmentalists and the politics-by-twitter types

PunkIPA

I think Mr Cosgrove should absolutely take the plunge into electoral politics. He is without doubt the greatest party-planner this nation has ever produced.

The people of Lisbon would be blessed to have him as their representative.

Kivaro

PunkIPA wrote: »

I think Mr Cosgrove should absolutely take the plunge into electoral politics. He is without doubt the greatest party-planner this nation has ever produced.

The people of Lisbon would be blessed to have him as their representative.

That's funny.

Feisar

Feisar wrote: »

Any chance it’s a FF/FG ploy to keep the left split?

There's really no need.:pac:

Everlong1

James Brown wrote: »

Another right leaning SD type party is needed to give people an option outside of FF/FG IMO.

With a strong law and order platform. There must be a market for people fed up with 70+ conviction scumbags roaming the streets.

Eric Cartman

Everlong1 wrote: »

With a strong law and order platform. There must be a market for people fed up with 70+ conviction scumbags roaming the streets.

The Peter Casey Niall Boylan happy Funtime party for friendship and tolerance. They've got my vote.

Eric Cartman

Gript (I'm sorry) are calling it saying its " the green left" with saoirse mchugh expected to feature prominently.

suicide_circus

Are the green party not already left?

jam_mac_jam

suicide_circus wrote: »

Are the green party not already left?

There are two types of left. The class ones and the identities ones.

Eric Cartman

suicide_circus wrote: »

Are the green party not already left?

with a pinch of salt taketh but this one is more left and more looney than before.

Ideas include closing Shannon airport and a cap on how many flights people can take a year.

suicide_circus

Normal One wrote: »

Mixing red and green gives brown....

The Brown Shorts

For Forks Sake

Feisar wrote: »

Any chance it’s a FF/FG ploy to keep the left split?

The left are more than capable of performing that task by themselves in fairness

Kivaro

Everlong1 wrote: »

With a strong law and order platform. There must be a market for people fed up with 70+ conviction scumbags roaming the streets.

At this stage, we would be happy with a political party in Ireland that would advocate a mandatory jail sentence after, let's say, 50 convictions. Heard the story today about a 21 year old who was brutally attacked in Dublin city centre recently. The Gardai were well aware of the gang who are responsible, but their hands are tied due to the age of the assailants. This is an insane situation in a modern society. People should be allowed to walk the streets of our cities and towns without fear of getting assaulted, but even worse to know that after you are assaulted that there will be little to no consequences for the perpetrators of the crime. This results in 2 crimes against you; one by the thugs and one by the State.

We are not a modern society at all.

awec

awec wrote: »

A party cannot have no opinion on abortion if it wants to be taken seriously.

If any party was asked about anything but housing, broadband, employment, recovery from covid, renewable energy, rebalancing the country away from dublin and health reform, the response for that party should be to reel out those items and say "sorry we have a list of priorities its more than enough to focus on"

awec

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Gript (I'm sorry) are calling it saying its " the green left" with saoirse mchugh expected to feature prominently.

This would be very amusing giving some of the statement she came out with when she left the greens.

"The path to a free and just society is not in electoral politics".

She must have changed her mind.

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Gript (I'm sorry) are calling it saying its " the green left" with saoirse mchugh expected to feature prominently.

Paul Murphy was courting her hard on Twitter for a while, though that seems to have died down. I was thinking at the time she'd be a high profile move to whatever he's calling his thing.

I can't imagine why she'd be involved in something other tbh. The reason socialists split so much is down to doctrine, and I doubt she's that close to trotsky or marx

For Forks Sake

awec wrote: »

This would be very amusing giving some of the statement she came out with when she left the greens.

"The path to a free and just society is not in electoral politics".

She must have changed her mind.

She couldn't get elected under a Green banner in Mayo and she sure as hell won't be getting elected as part of some micro-group either

PunkIPA

McGuirk has come into possession of leaked policy documents and is promising a full spread on the group tomorrow!

Apparently the are calling the mainstream Greens "the Sprouts" and, amongst other things, have as a policy the total ban on all dairy milk production. If that last point is true it has to go down as the most insane policy platform of any political party in the history of the state.