It's about time we had a compulsory military service

Markus Antonius

Austria, Switzerland, Norway, Finland, Denmark - all countries that Ireland is trying to match/outperform in "progressiveness"; all, unlike Ireland, have a period of compulsory military service.

I can't think of a better solution to the anti-social scumbaggery and hand-out accepting attitude of a lot of young people who leave school (or get a degree) and then have no intention of working. We have to put up with these 'adults' cruising around in their filthy '08, lowered Audis doing burnouts on every junction.

How about we fill the void in these people's lives and physically and psychologically test them for a period to give them a real appreciation for the world. It might just improve their lives and the people who would otherwise have to put up with them for years.

peasant

Take it from one who had to do it, compulsory military service does absolutely nothing to improve your life ..other than perhaps turn you into an alcoholic.

Pointless orders, stupid chains of command, endless boredom, no sense of self and no sense of the greater good either, waste of time and money, nothing useful ever done.

Pointless ..unless you really want to become a soldier ...but you can do that without it being compulsory.

I'd rather live with the scumbags than die in some Russian field tbh

Bubbaclaus

Why military? Why not compulsory volunteer service or something that would actually benefit the country a bit.

EmmetSpiceland

From what Colin Fennelly had to say about life in the Defence Forces it doesn’t seem like there’s a whole lot to do.

Maybe we could “address” that before sending in the youth of the nation for mandatory service?

buried

Compulsory fix the roads service. Every single one near me that isn't a motorway has more holes and craters than the moon and the planet of Mars combined.

nolivesmatter

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Why military? Why not compulsory volunteer service or something that would actually benefit the country a bit.

Straightening out delinquent behavior would benefit the country.

Mrs OBumble

nolivesmatter wrote: »

Straightening out delinquent behavior would benefit the country.

But would it straighten them out, or would it just be a school creating disciplined thugs for criminal gangs?

ThewhiteJesus

Most of the young generation of irish men couldn’t hack it they’ve been feminised too much.

L1011

Putting scumbags through military training is just going to make them trained violent scumbags. No army would want them.

The general get out of doing a degree would force plenty of people who end up in gainful employment to do it due to assuming that only a degree makes you valuable. I didn't get a degree until I had a decent job and had bought a house for instance and that's not rare at all

AdrianBalboa

Considering the complete joke shop that is the Defence Forces I’d say sending our young thugs in for a year of training would be like finishing school for clown college.

Risteard81

It's simply not feasible to mandate military service in the Free State army which many do not recognise.

AndrewJRenko

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

But would it straighten them out, or would it just be a school creating disciplined thugs for criminal gangs?

With training in use of weapons....

Has the OP really thought this through?

peasant

peasant wrote: »

Take it from one who had to do it, compulsory military service does absolutely nothing to improve your life ..other than perhaps turn you into an alcoholic.

Pointless orders, stupid chains of command, endless boredom, no sense of self and no sense of the greater good either, waste of time and money, nothing useful ever done.

Pointless ..unless you really want to become a soldier ...but you can do that without it being compulsory.

Yeah fair enough but you probably already had a work ethic. I can think of many reasons why it would be useful for all the scrotes congregating in my local area (North Inner City).

Pa ElGrande

Reminds me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA

You don't change behaviour by putting them in the army, they simply apply any skills they learn to their anti-social behaviour, after two years you have a scumbag with weapons training. Compulsory military service is a place to lay low if you are wanted by the law, Our resources as not as big as the US military so you can't serve in Germany when wanted in the state of Tennessee.

On the flip-side have you considered all the good men you either corrupt or bully while in the military?

ulster

I don't think we could afford it to be honest. They can't even give the lads they have a fair wage. The public's got no respect for them neither.

Also, I mean you hear about these abuse stories. What would they do to a bunch of young lads eh. Like is it the safest place for them to go.

What about some compulsory community service or something, maybe could be a way to go.

Jim2007

Markus Antonius wrote: »

Austria, Switzerland, Norway, Finland, Denmark - all countries that Ireland is trying to match/outperform in "progressiveness"; all, unlike Ireland, have a period of compulsory military service.

I can't think of a better solution to the anti-social scumbaggery and hand-out accepting attitude of a lot of young people who leave school (or get a degree) and then have no intention of working. We have to put up with these 'adults' cruising around in their filthy '08, lowered Audis doing burnouts on every junction.

How about we fill the void in these people's lives and physically and psychologically test them for a period to give them a real appreciation for the world. It might just improve their lives and the people who would otherwise have to put up with them for years.

First of all have you actually ever served in the defense forces?


Now not alone do I have experience of the Irish defense forces, but I also have had a lot of contact Swiss military authorities as well. And while it is true that Switzerland has compulsory military service, very few actually serve in comparison to the potential number that should. First there is the option to do community service, the number excused on medical, education and training grounds. And the most frequent excuse a letter from your employer stating that you are needed at work. And I have written many of those letters of the past third years and only once has one been rejected.


And of course, as with any militia type army conscripts are not given to the kind of discipline you expect. Nobody ever expects them to become serious soldiers, so it a case of going through the motions in as painless a way as possible.



And given your particular attitude for targeting certain people that you dislike, why in heavens name would you think it would idea to turn then into efficient killers? They might target you!



As for an appreciation of the real world, they will get a certain view of a certain part of the world, which may or may not be helpful.


You post is just a rant, not a serious proposal.

For Forks Sake

nolivesmatter wrote: »

Straightening out delinquent behavior would benefit the country.

Training scrotes how to use weapons properly, what could possibly go wrong?

Wanderer78

Markus Antonius wrote:

Austria, Switzerland, Norway, Finland, Denmark - all countries that Ireland is trying to match/outperform in "progressiveness"; all, unlike Ireland, have a period of compulsory military service.

Shur maybe move to one of those countries, and let us know how you get on during your service, while we take it easy here

Sanjuro

Markus Antonius wrote: »

Austria, Switzerland, Norway, Finland, Denmark - all countries that Ireland is trying to match/outperform in "progressiveness"; all, unlike Ireland, have a period of compulsory military service.

I can't think of a better solution to the anti-social scumbaggery and hand-out accepting attitude of a lot of young people who leave school (or get a degree) and then have no intention of working. We have to put up with these 'adults' cruising around in their filthy '08, lowered Audis doing burnouts on every junction.

How about we fill the void in these people's lives and physically and psychologically test them for a period to give them a real appreciation for the world. It might just improve their lives and the people who would otherwise have to put up with them for years.

**** off. No way in hell any child of mine is being put into mandatory military service.

Wanderer78

For Forks Sake wrote:

Training scrotes how to use weapons properly, what could possibly go wrong?

Less innocent bystanders I guess

Jim2007

Risteard81 wrote: »

It's simply not feasible to mandate military service in the Free State army which many do not recognise.

You are very much in the minority, but say it often enough and you might believe it I suppose.

peasant

Ahmad Pitiful Variation wrote: »

Yeah fair enough but you probably already had a work ethic. I can think of many reasons why it would be useful for all the scrotes congregating in my local area (North Inner City).

The army has nothing to teach anyone in peacetime. Hard to convey a work ethic when there is no real work to do. Army training for conscripts is just PE with occasional guns .

Yell yes Sir, no Sir loud enough and try not to stick out (positively or negatively, either one earns you extra duty ).

Scrotes are good at that already, it's just finishing school for them.

Donald Trump

buried wrote: »

Compulsory fix the roads service. Every single one near me that isn't a motorway has more holes and craters than the moon and the planet of Mars combined.

But sure if everyone was fixing the roads, how would we know who to vote for?

freshpopcorn

This old gem of a thread again!

JJayoo

America uses it's military recruitment as a way to move people up the social ladder, giving them an education and tangible skills, good in principal but johnny with his 100 previouse convictions is making too much money for lazy lawyers

Wanderer78

JJayoo wrote:

America uses it's military recruitment as a way to move people up the social ladder, giving them an education and tangible skills, good in principal but johnny with his 100 previouse convictions is making too much money for lazy lawyers

Then ejects them when they're of no use to the military, with nothing, lovely country!

tayto lover

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Training scrotes how to use weapons properly, what could possibly go wrong?

I think he means it to be like a Boot Camp to put discipline into the lives of the young criminals who are on our streets creating havoc.

buried

Donald Trump wrote: »

But sure if everyone was fixing the roads, how would we know who to vote for?

This is why I'm flabbergasted no politician or party has had the notion to do this scheme. They'd be voted in for centuries on end if they brought this in. I'm not talking about just resurfacing the roads. I'm saying get right down to the bedrock as the foundation for all roads. Get them digging right right down there and have the roads pristine for centuries.

Wanderer78

tayto lover wrote:

I think he means it to be like a Boot Camp to put discipline into the lives of the young criminals who are on our streets creating havoc.

Yup, because discipline resolves all complex social problems

rtron

We would not be able to afford it.

Wanderer78

buried wrote:

This is why I'm flabbergasted no politician or party has had the notion to do this scheme. They'd be voted in for centuries on end if they brought this in. I'm not talking about just resurfacing the roads. I'm saying get right down to the bedrock as the foundation for all roads. Get them digging right right down there and have the roads pristine for centuries.

Shur why stop there, shur they might as well go to the core

Wanderer78

rtron wrote:

We would not be able to afford it.

Theyd do it for free

Jim2007

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

From what Colin Fennelly had to say about life in the Defence Forces it doesn’t seem like there’s a whole lot to do.

It depends on what part of the defense forces you refer to. The navy is very short staffed and as it doubles as a coast guard and rescue service there is little chance of you spending much time standing around twiddling your thumbs.


On the other hand it is not the place for conscripts either. When you have to conduct a boarding party on a suspected drug smuggler on a winters night in the Atlantic, the last thing you need is someone with live rounds being a twat.

AndrewJRenko

JJayoo wrote: »

America uses it's military recruitment as a way to move people up the social ladder, giving them an education and tangible skills, good in principal but johnny with his 100 previouse convictions is making too much money for lazy lawyers

Mad idea, but maybe we could give people an education and tangible skills without involving training to kill?

buried

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Shur why stop there, shur they might as well go to the core

Nah bedrock will do, we want to get this thing fixed sometime this eon like

Wanderer78

buried wrote:

Nah bedrock will do, we want to get this thing fixed sometime this eon like

Keep them occupied, we could get them to do it to one road, with one shovel each, no replacements

Plumbthedepths

In the voice of Comic book guy....worst idea ever!!!!

Jim2007

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Theyd do it for free

In your dreams they do! In the Swiss army, they usually receive a military salary out of school/college or if already employed the employer continues to pay them and is compensated by the state.

Wanderer78

Jim2007 wrote:

In your dreams they do! In the Swiss army, they usually receive a military salary out of school/college or if already employed the employer continues to pay them and is compensated by the state.

We 'll do it differently, no pay, I'm sure we d have lads lining up for it

buried

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Keep them occupied, we could get them to do it to one road, with one shovel each, no replacements

Every Halloween we could give them a present of one stick of dynamite to help them get down further and remind em of the good auld days for morale

tayto lover

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Yup, because discipline resolves all complex social problems

Well then it might be worth a try. Better than letting things continue as they are.

AdrianBalboa

JJayoo wrote: »

America uses it's military recruitment as a way to move people up the social ladder, giving them an education and tangible skills, good in principal but johnny with his 100 previouse convictions is making too much money for lazy lawyers

By ensuring that it’s the only realistic way for them climb out of poverty, America uses the military and its propaganda arms to brainwash and recruit vulnerable poor people in order to invade oil rich countries and arrange military coups in favour of enriching the billionaire elites. It’s better not to introduce even a nominally similar culture over here.

Wanderer78

tayto lover wrote:

Well then it might be worth a try. Better than letting things continue as they are.

Twud in me bollcoks, these lads need serious professional help, many have probably needed it since childhood

Wanderer78

AdrianBalboa wrote:

By ensuring that it’s the only realistic way for them climb out of poverty, America uses the military and its propaganda arms to brainwash and recruit vulnerable poor people in order to invade oil rich countries and arrange military coups in favour of enriching the billionaire elites. It’s better not to introduce even a nominally similar culture over here.

Climb out! It's quick to discard it's people when they're of no use, with nothing

AdrianBalboa

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Climb out! It's quick to discard it's people when they're of no use, with nothing

In this case it would be, considering the absolute state the American military has left some parts of the world after World War II, the numbers dead, and even the incredibly high numbers of traumatised or maimed American veterans.

Wanderer78

AdrianBalboa wrote:

In this case it would be, considering the absolute state the American military has left some parts of the world after World War II, the numbers dead, and even the incredibly high numbers of traumatised or maimed American veterans.

Shur they don't give a sh1te about the after affects, just as long......

An Ri rua

freshpopcorn wrote: »

This old gem of a thread again!

Time to refresh your popcorn and grab a seat

Charles Babbage

Couldn't we do a deal with New Zealand to swap scumbags. We send ours there to run up mountains, well away from their drug suppliers, and they do likewise. It was also give the Irish Army a good chance in the rugby competitions.

Wanderer78

Charles Babbage wrote:

Couldn't we do a deal with New Zealand to swap scumbags. We send ours there to run up mountains, well away from their drug suppliers, and they do likewise. It was also give the Irish Army a good chance in the rugby competitions.

....and they could setup new drug trade routes, since brexit is messing things up

Signore Fancy Pants

It may work for a very very small minority of people. However, some sort of social service would be better to guide those without purpose. Then there would at least be some tangible effect for the money it would cost.

Taking a "scumbag" out of their environment may be a short term solution to "something" but what happens when they go back? Also, bringing loads of "scumbags" together just fosters ties.

It would cost a fortune to implement and sustain, its just a non runner from a financial perspective...never mind the rest.