God should be cancelled

yourdeadwright

Just thinking with the whole cancel culture and women's rights at the for front of society (rightly so ) ,


How long before God is cancelled ?


Why you ask ??? Well did the holy Spirit get Mary's consent ?


It's always read to me that Gabriel told her what was going to happen but did not ask for consent ,
However she did give her consent after being informed of what would happen ,


So in my eyes Mary was not given a choice but she did accept the outcome

Mohammed married a nine year old, if I remember correctly. All good with God.

I suppose this is what happens when you base your beliefs on bronze age ethics.

Smee_Again

Deleted User wrote: »

Mohammed married a nine year old, if I remember correctly. All good with God.

I suppose this is what happens when you base your beliefs on bronze age ethics.

He waited a few years before consummation the marriage though so it's all good :rolleyes:

Smee_Again

Smee_Again wrote: »

He waited a few years before consummation the marriage though so it's all good :rolleyes:

That was very progressive of him.

LarryGraham

This went well when RTE did if for New Year's Eve!

yourdeadwright

murmuring pines wrote: »

At Luke 1:38, when replying to the Angel? '"And Mary said, "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word." And the angel departed from her.'

You couldn't even look up the passage in the Gospels before starting a thread?

She accepted it but she was not given a choice ,


The angel told her "YOU WILL "" numerous times .

Charlie19

Along with the tooth fairy and Santa.

Zebra3

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Just thinking with the whole cancel culture and women's rights at the for front of society (rightly so ) ,


How long before God is cancelled ?


Why you ask ??? Well did the holy Spirit get Mary's consent ?


It's always read to me that Gabriel told her what was going to happen but did not ask for consent ,
However she did give her consent after being informed of what would happen ,


So in my eyes Mary was not given a choice but she did accept the outcome

God slaughtered about 2,800,000 people in the bible.

Between that and no proof of existence, plenty of reasons to cancel.

I’m sure the supporters of this mass murderer will be along with their defence shortly.

Zebra3

Zebra3 wrote: »

God slaughtered about 2,800,000 people in the bible.

Between that and no proof of existence, plenty of reasons to cancel.

I’m sure the supporters of this mass murderer will be along with their defence shortly.

Remember when God tortured Job because the Devil made him feel insecure?

Or when he coerced Abraham into killing his son only to later admonish him for attempting to do such an act?

What a knob.

randd1

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Just thinking with the whole cancel culture and women's rights at the for front of society (rightly so ) ,


How long before God is cancelled ?


Why you ask ??? Well did the holy Spirit get Mary's consent ?


It's always read to me that Gabriel told her what was going to happen but did not ask for consent ,
However she did give her consent after being informed of what would happen ,


So in my eyes Mary was not given a choice but she did accept the outcome

Not only that but she was what, 12,14 at the time? And did she even remember it?

By any logic then God's actions with Mary were those of a roofie using, paedophile, rapist.

No wonder the Church turned out like it did if that's how it started.

wench

murmuring pines wrote: »

Two things
1) it was not written in English, so "you will" is just how it is rendered in translation. So far as I know the general theological view is that Mary freely consents.
2) Don't fall into the trap of treating a biblical narrative as if it's supposed to be a literal account of what happened.

If she had said no, were there a selection of other immaculately conceived women available for the job?

nozzferrahhtoo

murmuring pines wrote: »

So far as I know the general theological view is that Mary freely consents.

A lot of paedophiles have that view too. They delude themselves into thinking the child consented to, or even enjoyed, the things they forced or manipulated them into doing.

Even in situations like a doctor sleeping with a patient, or a boss sleeping with a secretary, we have moral intuitions around manipulation and an uneven level of power or authority between two sexual partners. Let alone a deity and a child!

Thankfully these days we have evolved to have a more coherent and enlightened set of ideas around the concept of "consent". Curiously it seems more evolved and enlightened and based in empathy than the entity that is supposedly meant to be the objective and unchanging source of all morality.

biko

Zeus disguised himself before having his way with mortal women so that's not on either.

murmuring pines

murmuring pines wrote: »

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2) Don't fall into the trap of treating a biblical narrative as if it's supposed to be a literal account of what happened.

So none of it is to be taken literally? Ok, so the gospels are just a story, then. Jesus is a mythical figure.

Who decides what is literal and what isn't? How does this avoid falling into the trap of subjectivity? Your point is complete nonsense.

biko

murmuring pines wrote: »

2) Don't fall into the trap of treating a biblical narrative as if it's supposed to be a literal account of what happened.

That's heresy

punisher5112

I think the letter m should be banned from everything

yourdeadwright

murmuring pines wrote: »

Two things
1) it was not written in English, so "you will" is just how it is rendered in translation. So far as I know the general theological view is that Mary freely consents.
2) Don't fall into the trap of treating a biblical narrative as if it's supposed to be a literal account of what happened.

Sounds like a poor defence " I didn't really mean that part "


So getting a minor pregnant is ok with consent ?



Shame on the lord !!!!!!!!!!

yourdeadwright

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Sounds like a poor defence " I didn't really mean that part "


So getting a minor pregnant is ok with consent ?



Shame on the lord !!!!!!!!!!

Yes , minor by today's life expectancy values .

Middle aged 01 BC .

Women of " Mary's " time hadn't the choice of waiting till their late 30s / early 40s , to have children once they got their careers sorted !!

BobbyMalone

THE_SHEEP wrote: »

Yes , minor by today's life expectancy values .

Middle aged 01 BC .

Women of " Mary's " time hadn't the choice of waiting till their late 30s / early 40s , to have children once they got their careers sorted !!

A 12 year old girl was middle aged? So she could have expected to live to maybe 25? Jesus must have been considered a pensioner up there on the cross.


You're forgetting that child-mortality rates would skew that figure, as well as women dying in childbirth (and if the RCC is right, then that wasn't something Mary had to worry about).


I've seen it written that if you were a wealthy Roman citizen, and survived your childhood, you could expect to be living into your 70s. It wouldn't be quite that high for a family living in occupied territory, but I would imagine 50-55 would be a safe bet.

B.A._Baracus

Zebra3 wrote: »

God slaughtered about 2,800,000 people in the bible.

Between that and no proof of existence, plenty of reasons to cancel.

I’m sure the supporters of this mass murderer will be along with their defence shortly.

Am gonna take a guess, but I think you are an atheist :pac:

Sonics2k

Deleted User wrote: »

Mohammed married a nine year old, if I remember correctly. All good with God.

I suppose this is what happens when you base your beliefs on bronze age ethics.

Mary would have been around 11 when marrying Joseph. Historically very common across the world in those days due in part to child mortality rate.

Doesn't mean that they would have consummated the marriage though of course.

Guy:Incognito

" its just the bible, its not gospel"

Sonics2k

Sonics2k wrote: »

Mary would have been around 11 when marrying Joseph. Historically very common across the world in those days due in part to child mortality rate.

Doesn't mean that they would have consummated the marriage though of course.

So why would grown adult men be marrying a child? What advantages would that confer?

BobbyMalone

BobbyMalone wrote: »

A 12 year old girl was middle aged? So she could have expected to live to maybe 25? Jesus must have been considered a pensioner up there on the cross.


You're forgetting that child-mortality rates would skew that figure, as well as women dying in childbirth (and if the RCC is right, then that wasn't something Mary had to worry about).


I've seen it written that if you were a wealthy Roman citizen, and survived your childhood, you could expect to be living into your 70s. It wouldn't be quite that high for a family living in occupied territory, but I would imagine 50-55 would be a safe bet.

" wealthy roman citizen " . " survived your childhood " . " I would imagine " .

jhegarty

BobbyMalone wrote: »

A 12 year old girl was middle aged? So she could have expected to live to maybe 25? Jesus must have been considered a pensioner up there on the cross.

Her age isn't in the bible at all. It's only a guess based on typical marrying age at the time.

biko

I remember that Khal Drogo didn't ask Daenerys Targaryen for consent.
He's dead now.

This.

Zebra3

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Am gonna take a guess, but I think you are an atheist :pac:

Poor deflection.

Must do better.

Won’t change the fact that “God” is a genocidist.

Sonics2k

Deleted User wrote: »

So why would grown adult men be marrying a child? What advantages would that confer?

I'm not a historian, so basing quite a bit of this off of conversations with historians and the reasoning for it.

In a nutshell though, child birth reasons. A lot of marriages were more for alliances and family gain or bonds, rather than love as we'd understand it today.

Now, while characters like Mohammed and Joseph may have married young wives, it would have been extremely rare for them to actually consummate or attempt to have a child with their bride, for the simple reason of the much higher chance of them dying during child birth.

It's always struck me as amusing that people here will be happy to call out Mohammed, but keep it quiet about Joseph.

B.A._Baracus

Zebra3 wrote: »

Poor deflection.

Must do better.

Won’t change the fact that “God” is a genocidist.

Deflection? I was only buzzing off you
But since you are being serious I will give a serious reply:
Believe in God, don't believe in God, believe that Iron Man is better than Spider-Man. Who cares.

So this thread is God should be cancelled. Another thread will be talking about banning the booze, another the smokes, another 5g masts. We can go on.
So you think God is genocidist. Cool. Someone else in the world is counting the rosary beads as you typed that. Cool.

The point? who cares. Believe what you believe. People will do the same. No matter the subject matter.

Sonics2k

Sonics2k wrote: »

I'm not a historian, so basing quite a bit of this off of conversations with historians and the reasoning for it.

In a nutshell though, child birth reasons. A lot of marriages were more for alliances and family gain or bonds, rather than love as we'd understand it today.

Now, while characters like Mohammed and Joseph may have married young wives, it would have been extremely rare for them to actually consummate or attempt to have a child with their bride, for the simple reason of the much higher chance of them dying during child birth.

It's always struck me as amusing that people here will be happy to call out Mohammed, but keep it quiet about Joseph.

You didn't answer my question though, why are fully grown men marrying children? I would understand maybe a 16 year old marrying a 9 year old for the bond reasons you provided, but why would an adult man need a child bride?

More importantly, why would God approve of it?

In addition, I know what you are attempting to insinuate with your final comment, you can shove it. I think all religions are equally vile.