Will gender roles ever disappear in dating?

nicholasIII

Despite what people think about young people today and gender roles, the reality is that even most hardcore MRA/feminists would still like to date masculine men and feminine women.

People wanting equality for the sexes is still very different from them actually wanting to date them. I guess most people would be turned off from those that deviate from gender norms in their partner.

My question is, will they ever disappear? Some say no as they're encoded in 100,000 years of evolution and a few decades or even centuries isn't going to undo that.

Equality doesn't mean everyone is the same you know

YellowLead

At the end of the day men are men and women are women and we aren’t going to evolve to be physically similar any time soon. So no.

Equality is equal treatment, not being the same.

Richard Hillman

There was a drive a good few years ago to push less masculine males as desirable. This was a media thing but in the real world the most masculine men prosper. Since social media took off the role of masculinity has been begun to be celebrated again by the masses.

Whilst media are still clinging on to sensitive man-boys.

Young men and boys need to be informed that they need to lift weights, grow occasional facial hair, learn about the fine arts, finance and outdoor survival skills, own a blazer, a suit and a leather jacket, and make sure your car is perceived as dangerous. Maybe even buy a motorcycle.

Everything else will fall into place.

No, not in the real world they won’t.

o1s1n

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Young men and boys need to be informed that they need to lift weights, grow occasional facial hair, learn about the fine arts, finance and outdoor survival skills, own a blazer, a suit and a leather jacket, and make sure your car is perceived as dangerous. Maybe even buy a motorcycle.

I take it you grew up watching 80s action films too? :pac:

KungPao

I have no idea what you’re on about.

Quantum Baloney

Women are not attracted to shrimps or chinchilla men. When a towering muscular presence enters the room they go weak at the knees. Why? Because performing as a couple with a stalky dweeb or shrubman does not resonate on a psycosexual level with them.

Leg End Reject

I can't think of anything less attractive than a male feminist or an effeminate man, regardless of what's peddled in the media.

Quantum Baloney

They'll run their fingers along the moles on a broad, well formed back, and caress the contours of your thick powerful thrusting thighs

Porklife

YellowLead wrote: »

At the end of the day men are men and women are women and we aren’t going to evolve to be physically similar any time soon. So no.

Equality is equal treatment, not being the same.

Exactly this. I'm all for people expressing themselves and being true to who they are but "identifying" as something you're not is ridiculous in my opinion. By all means change anatomical gender, dress however you like or wear make up but a man does not have a reproductive system and cannot give birth. A man is not a woman.

I "identity" as a supermodel but the mirror and my dating history would say different
A lot of assholes identity as being sound but that doesnt make it so.

YellowLead

Quantum Baloney wrote: »

They'll run their fingers along the moles on a broad, well formed back, and caress the contours of your thick powerful thrusting thighs

Must you troll constantly

Richard Hillman

When you break it all down to the primal instincts.

Women are attracted to males that they feel will provide them a strong child and will protect her during pregnancy and child rearing.

Males are attracted to females that look healthy and will provide healthy offspring.

A 5'4 male, vegan, socialist, wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt, lacking testosterone and listening to Adele, is not a suitable partner to provide a strong child. And is likely an emotionally unstable creep.

Leg End Reject

YellowLead wrote: »

Must you troll constantly

You wouldn't mind so much if the posts actually suggested masculinity, rather than the flowery style of a Mills and Boon writer.

bnt

Dating used to be done with the primary aims of getting married and having children, which meant that it was heteronormative. Now, in this overpopulated world where children are becoming more of an expensive luxury, more people - particularly men - are questioning why they should even bother doing it at all. So if you have the time and resources to indulge in the luxury of serious dating, I don't begrudge you the ability to have fun and play with gender roles etc. Just appreciate for the luxury it is, I would say. You may not always have it as good.

jackboy

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Young men and boys need to be informed that they need to lift weights, grow occasional facial hair, learn about the fine arts, finance and outdoor survival skills, own a blazer, a suit and a leather jacket, and make sure your car is perceived as dangerous. Maybe even buy a motorcycle.

Everything else will fall into place.

Sorry, but it’s just too much effort to learn about the fine arts.

YellowLead

Leg End Reject wrote: »

You wouldn't mind so much if the posts actually suggested masculinity, rather than the flowery style of a Mills and Boon writer.

Lol

Porklife

Richard Hillman wrote: »

When you break it all down to the primal instincts.

Women are attracted to males that they feel will provide them a strong child and will protect her during pregnancy and child rearing.

Males are attracted to females that look healthy and will provide healthy offspring.

A 5'4 male, vegan, socialist, wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt, lacking testosterone and listening to Adele, is not a suitable partner to provide a strong child. And is likely an emotionally unstable creep.

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Galwayguy35

nicholasIII wrote: »

Despite what people think about young people today and gender roles, the reality is that even most hardcore MRA/feminists would still like to date masculine men and feminine women.

People wanting equality for the sexes is still very different from them actually wanting to date them. I guess most people would be turned off from those that deviate from gender norms in their partner.

My question is, will they ever disappear? Some say no as they're encoded in 100,000 years of evolution and a few decades or even centuries isn't going to undo that.

Its not just MRA, I don't know anyone in real life or I'm guessing on here either who wants to date a woman who looks and dresses like a man.

Quantum Baloney

Exactly. Recessive chins, beady eyes and round drooping shoulders are not going to win any female's heart. When a woman looks at a man, in the back of her mind she auto-envisions what sex would be like with him, she literally pictures it, and if she cannot imagine performing as a couple with that male then he may as well not exist - same is true of chinchillas, Syrian hamsters, prairie dogs etc.

tabby aspreme

o1s1n wrote: »

I take it you grew up watching 80s action films too? :pac:

Or Magnum PI , the original version with Tom Selleck

Leg End Reject

Does the phrase "Performing as a couple" suggest a man lacking in confidence to anyone else?

Maybe the chinchilla men and prairie dog men are masculine enough to call a ride a ride.

Richard Hillman

jackboy wrote: »

Sorry, but it’s just too much effort to learn about the fine arts.

A loose knowledge is sufficient to hold occasional conversation. Know that Tolstoy was an author and Tchaikovsky a composer. Gaudi an architect, and everything modern is ghastly.

Richard Hillman

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Or Magnum PI

Tom Selleck, now there is a man's man. Hairy chest, masculine frame and is likely lathered in Brut or Old Spice.

YellowLead

Richard Hillman wrote: »

A loose knowledge is sufficient to hold occasional conversation. Know that Tolstoy was an author and Tchaikovsky a composer. Gaudi an architect, and everything modern is ghastly.

Lol I’d be in agreement - but it depends on the age range you are going for. Some 20 somethings might just want you to say love island is great tv and everything else is a snore....

Quantum Baloney

Quantum Baloney wrote: »

Women are not attracted to shrimps or chinchilla men. When a towering muscular presence enters the room they go weak at the knees. Why? Because performing as a couple with a stalky dweeb or shrubman does not resonate on a psycosexual level with them.

Mod
Quantum Baloney, you've already had a thread rambling about this closed. Do not post in this thread again and I don't want to see you continuing with this line of inflammatory posting anywhere else.

Richard Hillman

YellowLead wrote: »

Lol I’d be in agreement - but it depends on the age range you are going for. Some 20 somethings might just want you to say love island is great tv and everything else is a snore....

True but if a lady chatting to a young male asks him, "did you watch Love Island last night?" If he responds with "No, I missed it. I was reading War & Peace last night. Are you familiar with the works of Tolstoy?". She'll be knocked back so far she'll be on the ground and feel inferior to this masculine beast, that lifts weights and reads Russian literature in his spare time.

He only needs to read a couple of pages and know the jist of it.

ankles

Richard Hillman wrote: »

True but if a lady chatting to a young male asks him, "did you watch Love Island last night?" If he responds with "No, I missed it. I was reading War & Peace last night. Are you familiar with the works of Tolstoy?". She'll be knocked back so far she'll be on the ground and feel inferior to this masculine beast, that lifts weights and reads Russian literature in his spare time.

He only needs to read a couple of pages and know the jist of it.

This doesn't work

Leg End Reject

Richard Hillman wrote: »

True but if a lady chatting to a young male asks him, "did you watch Love Island last night?" If he responds with "No, I missed it. I was reading War & Peace last night. Are you familiar with the works of Tolstoy?". She'll be knocked back so far she'll be on the ground and feel inferior to this masculine beast, that lifts weights and reads Russian literature in his spare time.

He only needs to read a couple of pages and know the jist of it.

The young, uncultured lady could arch her back and use her breasts to distract the young male, rather than feel inferior to the masculine beast.

jackboy

Richard Hillman wrote: »

True but if a lady chatting to a young male asks him, "did you watch Love Island last night?" If he responds with "No, I missed it. I was reading War & Peace last night. Are you familiar with the works of Tolstoy?". She'll be knocked back so far she'll be on the ground and feel inferior to this masculine beast, that lifts weights and reads Russian literature in his spare time.

He only needs to read a couple of pages and know the jist of it.

I can genuinely say that I’ve never met a girl in the west of Ireland that was unimpressed with my lack of knowledge of the fine arts. Your posts are funny though ��

kowloon

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Young men and boys need to be informed that they need to lift weights, grow occasional facial hair, learn about the fine arts, finance and outdoor survival skills, own a blazer, a suit and a leather jacket, and make sure your car is perceived as dangerous. Maybe even buy a motorcycle.

Do you have erotic dreams about Don Draper?

Richard Hillman

kowloon wrote: »

Do you have erotic dreams about Don Draper?

Women want him, men want to be him.

kowloon

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Women want him, men want to be him.

Is he more manly than a bearded lumberjack though? All the expensive suits and preening seem kind of unmanly to me, like I can't see him out working in a field somewhere.

Hyperbollix

I just don't know what everyone is banging on about here...

Women value men for their personalities and sense of humour, oh and kindness. They aren't in the slightest bit interested in things that bulge, be they biceps, trousers or that most unfair of stereotypes....wallets.

Vestiapx

Hyperbollix wrote: »

I just don't know what everyone is banging on about here...

Women value men for their personalities and sense of humour, oh and kindness. They aren't in the slightest bit interested in things that bulge, be they biceps, trousers or that most unfair of stereotypes....wallets.

I assume you are not a woman

jammiedodgers

KungPao wrote: »

I have no idea what you’re on about.

I still don't know what a tracker mortgage is

kowloon

Hyperbollix wrote: »

Women value men for their personalities and sense of humour, oh and kindness. They aren't in the slightest bit interested in things that bulge, be they biceps, trousers or that most unfair of stereotypes....wallets.

Do they actually though?

Oranage2

I think gender equality is already changing in away. For example, just before the lockdown I went on a blind date in a restaurant, my date who I had no previous knowledge about just that she'll be wearing a green dress shows up, she was a tall 6'1 200lbs blonde. I've a strong suspicious she was one of those females born with an Y chromosome. I couldn't be sure as I didn't see any DNA tests but anyway, we chatted, I didn't fancy her but the conversation was pleasant, we talked about how hard it was to find a size 13 shoe. I asked for the bill and the waiter said that she paid already when I went to the bathroom. First time a woman paid for a date, couldn't believe it.

kowloon

kowloon wrote: »

Do they actually though?

They value all of those things and rightly so.

kowloon

Oranage2 wrote: »

First time a woman paid for a date, couldn't believe it.

I'd insist on paying my half at the very least, but I think that's a tradition that has its roots in men being the providers. Now that you're likely to run into women who earn more than their date I think that part of the gender roles might die out.

Richard Hillman

Oranage2 wrote: »

I think gender equality is already changing in away. For example, just before the lockdown I went on a blind date in a restaurant, my date who I had no previous knowledge about just that she'll be wearing a green dress shows up, she was a tall 6'1 200lbs blonde. I've a strong suspicious she was one of those females born with an Y chromosome. I couldn't be sure as I didn't see any DNA tests but anyway, we chatted, I didn't fancy her but the conversation was pleasant, we talked about how hard it was to find a size 13 shoe. I asked for the bill and the waiter said that she paid already when I went to the bathroom. First time a woman paid for a date, couldn't believe it.

****, she alpha'd you.

Richard Hillman

Hyperbollix wrote: »

I just don't know what everyone is banging on about here...

Women value men for their personalities and sense of humour, oh and kindness. They aren't in the slightest bit interested in things that bulge, be they biceps, trousers or that most unfair of stereotypes....wallets.

These are part of a sub package. Sense of humour and kindness is friendzone material. Ultimately she is looking for the alpha male of her burgeoning family. A head of house. A real man to provide and protect the cave, sorry house. Man to teach her boys to become real men. And a masculine figure to show daughters what a real man looks and behaves like, to weed out future boys who are into things like E-Gaming and socialism.

py2006

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Since social media took off the role of masculinity has been begun to be celebrated again by the masses.

Ehhh, its quite the opposite I would have thought. It is almost vilified.

Mad_maxx

Richard Hillman wrote: »

These are part of a sub package. Sense of humour and kindness is friendzone material. Ultimately she is looking for the alpha male of her burgeoning family. A head of house. A real man to provide and protect the cave, sorry house. Man to teach her boys to become real men. And a masculine figure to show daughters what a real man looks and behaves like, to weed out future boys who are into things like E-Gaming and socialism.

preach

Richard Hillman

py2006 wrote: »

Ehhh, its quite the opposite I would have thought. It is almost vilified.

That would be from media, NGO types. Real women are lusting after masculine men.

I think the advent of those Jersey Shore /Love Island type programs have reignited ladies passions for fully formed men. Whilst they may not be men's men, they are half way there. They just need to stop with the fake tan, removing body hair and start their personal growth in dressing like they are members of a country club and enjoy Russian Arts.

Potential-Monke

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Males are attracted to females that look healthy and will provide healthy offspring.

Ah, not all of us! That's the last thing I want. I just want someone who won't be a cnut. But I also realise my desire to have no kids puts me off a lot of people so I'm ok with being single.

Richard Hillman wrote: »

These are part of a sub package. Sense of humour and kindness is friendzone material. Ultimately she is looking for the alpha male of her burgeoning family. A head of house. A real man to provide and protect the cave, sorry house. Man to teach her boys to become real men. And a masculine figure to show daughters what a real man looks and behaves like, to weed out future boys who are into things like E-Gaming and socialism.

I agreed up to the bolded part. Just because someone is a gamer, doesn't mean they're not all that. Look at Henry Cavill, I would consider him an "alpha" male, ticks all the boxes and is a massive gamer. And specifically loves World of Warcraft. Other famous gamers are Will Arnett, Samuel L. Jackson, Christian Slater, Matthew Perry, Ben Foster, Michael Fassbender and Daniel Craig, to name a few (plenty of female celeb gamers too). The value of the gaming market in the US is $60 billion, 2.8 billion people gaming per year globally and growing, expected to hit 3 billion by 2023.

Gaming is taking over the entertainment business, and if you're good enough to be involved in high end e-sports, you can make as much as any professional. It's an old view and one which needs to go. The idea of the Alpha male will be gone soon, as lot of the hard, physical jobs will be removed thanks to technology. The "alpha" male won't be required.

py2006

Richard Hillman wrote: »

That would be from media, NGO types. Real women are lusting after masculine men.

I think the advent of those Jersey Shore /Love Island type programs have reignited ladies passions for fully formed men. Whilst they may not be men's men, they are half way there. They just need to stop with the fake tan, removing body hair and start their personal growth in dressing like they are members of a country club and enjoy Russian Arts.

Not sure about that, may be for a one night stand. But those guys tend to be quite limited beyond that.

Quantum Baloney

Quantum Baloney wrote: »

Women are not attracted to shrimps or chinchilla men. When a towering muscular presence enters the room they go weak at the knees. Why? Because performing as a couple with a stalky dweeb or shrubman does not resonate on a psycosexual level with them.

If Aongus Von Bismarck lost his wit and was an incel.

Church on Tuesday

It's really hard to know one way or the other Feg.

Surreptitious

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Does the phrase "Performing as a couple" suggest a man lacking in confidence to anyone else?

Maybe the chinchilla men and prairie dog men are masculine enough to call a ride a ride.

He's probably on about the East End.





*The derelict parts

Cienciano

Quantum Baloney wrote: »

Women are not attracted to shrimps or chinchilla men. When a towering muscular presence enters the room they go weak at the knees. Why? Because performing as a couple with a stalky dweeb or shrubman does not resonate on a psycosexual level with them.

You're going to have to speak for yourself here. Just because you go weak and the knees when a strong man enters the room doesn't mean everyone else does