What dairy bulls are you going with

tismesoitis

Its that time of year. Whats floating you boat? To be honest i'm looking for a little bit of direction myself.

mahoney_j

tismesoitis wrote: »

Its that time of year. Whats floating you boat? To be honest i'm looking for a little bit of direction myself.

Order in for
Fr4368
Fr4513
Fr4746
Fr4573
Fr4959
S3529
S3261
Milk solids and type

kevthegaff

mahoney_j wrote: »

Order in for
Fr4368
Fr4513
Fr4746
Fr4573
Fr4959
S3529
S3261
Milk solids and type

What's s for

mahoney_j

kevthegaff wrote: »

What's s for

Both foreign bulls Kev ,think they don’t get a Fr code till a certain amount of serves occur ,not 100% on that...

jd_12345

mahoney_j wrote: »

Order in for
Fr4368
Fr4513
Fr4746
Fr4573
Fr4959
S3529
S3261
Milk solids and type

Similar objectives. Currently delivering 460kgms. Hoping to add 100 to that over time.
SEXED BULLS
FR4368
Fr6574
Fr4600
S3579(maybe)
CONVENTIONAL
FR4728
Fr4513
Fr6076
PGW
FR4573

mahoney_j

jd_12345 wrote: »

Similar objectives. Currently delivering 460kgms. Hoping to add 100 to that over time.
SEXED BULLS
FR4368
Fr6574
Fr4600
S3579(maybe)
CONVENTIONAL
FR4728
Fr4513
Fr6076
PGW
FR4573

U may rethink fr6574 a dead bull can’t give semen ....pity as I had him ear marked too

jd_12345

mahoney_j wrote: »

U may rethink fr6574 a dead bull can’t give semen ....pity as I had him ear marked too

Had him ordered a few weeks back and got invoice in post so I assume I ordered him in time

whelan2

Last year I didn't pre order any straws. I just used whatever fresh straws the ai man had on the day. Worked well. Also used up the straws that were in the can from the last few years. We are the first call in ths morning so get the pick of the fresh bulls. Normally the top bulls they have fresh

stanflt

Fr4573
Fr4959
Fr4187
Fr4368
S3462

Using less bulls to get a more consistent cow- same bull team for 2 years now- lovely calves on the ground and fabulous maidens

Not using rubbish high ebi genomic bulls ever again

mahoney_j

stanflt wrote: »

Fr4573
Fr4959
Fr4187
Fr4368
S3462

Using less bulls to get a more consistent cow- same bull team for 2 years now- lovely calves on the ground and fabulous maidens

Not using rubbish high ebi genomic bulls ever again

Ya big ****e stirrer !!!

Gillespy

S3462 Sandy Valley Batman
S3134 Stanton Applicable
FR4368 Westcoast Yamaska
S3579 Progenesis Wimbledon

Won't go too far wrong with any of them I reckon. Will use OEO, a polled lim on anything I don't fancy before the whitehead bull takes over.

whelan2

whelan2 wrote: »

Last year I didn't pre order any straws. I just used whatever fresh straws the ai man had on the day. Worked well. Also used up the straws that were in the can from the last few years. We are the first call in ths morning so get the pick of the fresh bulls. Normally the top bulls they have fresh

Using dovea bulls fr2314 and fr2249. Have stock milking from them and find them good.

stanflt

whelan2 wrote: »

Using dovea bulls fr2314 and fr2249. Have stock milking from them and find them good.

I’ve lovely milky stock with great solids from these bulls

whelan2

stanflt wrote: »

I’ve lovely milky stock with great solids from these bulls

Cant beat knowing what they are like

mickey1985

Are the pre order bulls more expensive

cosatron

cogent twist
Crocket acres eight
stern kyteman
radney levi
peak mr grey
like stan have being using the above bulls for the last couple of years and still have them in the pot, great stock on the ground, really like the twists can't wait to go milking them,
im adding vh brook and larcrest commend to mix aswell this year.
sorry for using names, don't know the codes.

awaywithyou

stanflt wrote: »

Fr4573
Fr4959
Fr4187
Fr4368
S3462

Using less bulls to get a more consistent cow- same bull team for 2 years now- lovely calves on the ground and fabulous maidens

Not using rubbish high ebi genomic bulls ever again

Oh my God... and you were one of the poster boys for the high ebi system 10 short years ago

Gillespy

Miss the old three letter code system, it gave some clue of the bulls name. I can remember bulls names and codes from twenty years ago easier than those used to breed the heifer calves being born today.

GrasstoMilk

awaywithyou wrote: »

Oh my God... and you were one of the poster boys for the high ebi system 10 short years ago

Not even 10 years ago. Mahoney aswell
Very happy with high ebi hol/fr sires here

jaymla627

awaywithyou wrote: »

Oh my God... and you were one of the poster boys for the high ebi system 10 short years ago

He seen the light eventually, glanbia suppliers who haven't a good reference peak milk built up are going to have to go ayr/autumn calving to get around the new pricing system coming in, your high ebi bulls wont get a look in for these systems

mahoney_j

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Not even 10 years ago. Mahoney aswell
Very happy with high ebi hol/fr sires here

Thanks for remembering me !!,I saw the light hadn’t much issue with it up to 2/3 years ago big drop off in quality since ,too much chopping and changing with figures ,too much duds and sub standard stock sucked size ,milk and kgms out of stock couldn’t give 2 ****es about overall ebi now

GrasstoMilk

jaymla627 wrote: »

He seen the light eventually, glanbia suppliers who haven't a good reference peak milk built up are going to have to go ayr/autumn calving to get around the new pricing system coming in, your high ebi bulls wont get a look in for these systems

No they won't, you'll be allowed 3% over your previous may and June's milk and you'll get a lesser price for extra milk over that
I won't be jumping back to autumn calving any way
Other option is to stay at the cow numbers you're at, plenty will do as big expansion is finished on most existing farms imo

GrasstoMilk

mahoney_j wrote: »

Thanks for remembering me !!,I saw the light hadn’t much issue with it up to 2/3 years ago big drop off in quality since ,too much chopping and changing with figures ,too much duds and sub standard stock sucked size ,milk and kgms out of stock couldn’t give 2 ****es about overall ebi now

The base change has to be done to reflect the improvement in the base cow

Whats the av lactation of your herd? Is it lower than what it was 5 years ago?

Bigger cows will need more feeding too, will they suit your current system of milk production

older by the day

I need to buy two bulls this year, usually 2 AA, but I think il go for one Holstein. Il try and find a bull with good records. Is it a bit mad. I gave 1300 euros for ai last year. Between bull calves and repeats il be lucky to have 7 heifers

cosatron

older by the day wrote: »

I need to buy two bulls this year, usually 2 AA, but I think il go for one Holstein. Il try and find a bull with good records. Is it a bit mad. I gave 1300 euros for ai last year. Between bull calves and repeats il be lucky to have 7 heifers

i doubt you will get a good bull for 1300 euros. But if your in the market, i always admired the bulls at the IHFA Premier Bull Show. It be held at Nenagh Livestock Mart and online on Wednesday 31st March 2021.

stanflt

cosatron wrote: »

i doubt you will get a good bull for 1300 euros. But if your in the market, i always admired the bulls at the IHFA Premier Bull Show. It be held at Nenagh Livestock Mart and online on Wednesday 31st March 2021.

For 1300 he might pick up a lad like the one in the picture- his dam does nearly 1000kg of milk solids a year and is classified ex- plus 2 on type then again maybe you might need another 0 behind that

stanflt

stanflt wrote: »

For 1300 he might pick up a lad like the one in the picture- his dam does nearly 1000kg of milk solids a year and is classified ex- plus 2 on type then again maybe you might need another 0 behind that

Sorry

stanflt

stanflt wrote: »

Sorry

Or even this lad

Gillespy

So glad I never went down that extreme EBI road. All you had to do was have one look at their liners to see what rubbish they are. All falling off the page on the wrong side was never going to work long term.

cosatron

stanflt wrote: »

Sorry

ha his only a week old, not looking for much, its better than a fiver at the mart.

stanflt

cosatron wrote: »

ha his only a week old, not looking for much, its better than a fiver at the mart.

That lad will only be leaving for one destination- I haven’t see a high ebi bull with back pedigree milk and serious solids like his

cosatron

stanflt wrote: »

That lad will only be leaving for one destination- I haven’t see a high ebi bull with back pedigree milk and serious solids like his

are u going to keep him, or is he going to stud. nice bull in all fairness

stanflt

cosatron wrote: »

are u going to keep him, or is he going to stud. nice bull in all fairness

I’ve a feeling he’ll go to stud

whelan2

older by the day wrote: »

I need to buy two bulls this year, usually 2 AA, but I think il go for one Holstein. Il try and find a bull with good records. Is it a bit mad. I gave 1300 euros for ai last year. Between bull calves and repeats il be lucky to have 7 heifers

I buy a fr bull every other year €1200 delivered. He has ads on donedeal . Been buying off him for a good while now. He gives you the tags of a few bulls, do an inbreeding check on icbf and pick what you want. I have bought the expensive lads before that are supposed to do x,y and z and never deliver.

older by the day

whelan2 wrote: »

I buy a fr bull every other dyear €1200 delivered. He has ads on donedeal . Been buying off him for a good while now. He gives you the tags of a few bulls, do an inbreeding check on icbf and pick what you want. I have bought the expensive lads before that are supposed to do x,y and z and never deliver.

Ya Sher I've been using bulls positive for fat and protein for 20 years. I have to pike the milk out of the tank in to lorry at this stage. Paper never refused ink. My montbelliarde cow is fourteen this year, 12 Feb born calves, ebi of -6. Surely she deserved a few points for fertility

whelan2

older by the day wrote: »

Ya Sher I've been using bulls positive for fat and protein for 20 years. I have to pike the milk out of the tank in to lorry at this stage. Paper never refused ink. My montbelliarde cow is fourteen this year, 12 Feb born calves, ebi of -6. Surely she deserved a few points for fertility

My herd fertility figures are good. The lad I buy off is no show off. You look up the bulls and pick what you want, genuine and not robbing anyone either.

older by the day

whelan2 wrote: »

My herd fertility figures are good. The lad I buy off is no show off. You look up the bulls and pick what you want, genuine and not robbing anyone either.

What part of the world is he based

whelan2

older by the day wrote: »

What part of the world is he based

Louth/meath

Mooooo

Any of ye bothering with a pack of test bulls anymore? Price gone up to 12.50 I think for em. Haven't looked yet at what I'll be getting for the main batch, new run at the end of the month I think.
WWS fella called today, any of ye use bulls from them?
Want to work on the components mainly. Was at 3.65p, I think, and 4.1bf last year. Solids crashed in March last year have managed to hold em this year so far but cows in again at night, should have kept em in today as well, but hoping to keep some bit of grass in the diet.

green daries

Mooooo wrote: »

Any of ye bothering with a pack of test bulls anymore? Price gone up to 12.50 I think for em. Haven't looked yet at what I'll be getting for the main batch, new run at the end of the month I think.
WWS fella called today, any of ye use bulls from them?
Want to work on the components mainly. Was at 3.65p, I think, and 4.1bf last year. Solids crashed in March last year have managed to hold em this year so far but cows in again at night, should have kept em in today as well, but hoping to keep some bit of grass in the diet.

A genomic bull is a test bull dressed up as something it's not and sold for much more than its worth. IMO. pity dairy farmers couldn't get away with something similar we would be loaded

whelan2

Mooooo wrote: »

Any of ye bothering with a pack of test bulls anymore? Price gone up to 12.50 I think for em. Haven't looked yet at what I'll be getting for the main batch, new run at the end of the month I think.
WWS fella called today, any of ye use bulls from them?
Want to work on the components mainly. Was at 3.65p, I think, and 4.1bf last year. Solids crashed in March last year have managed to hold em this year so far but cows in again at night, should have kept em in today as well, but hoping to keep some bit of grass in the diet.

Not that long ago they were 5 euro each. Didn't the farmer used to get money back for using them?

Castlekeeper

whelan2 wrote: »

Not that long ago they were 5 euro each. Didn't the farmer used to get money back for using them?

You'd get seven cows milk recorded for every test bull heifer milked , once upon a time.

degetme

How much notice do the ai companies need for ordering sexed straws into my ai mans pot?

whelan2

degetme wrote: »

How much notice do the ai companies need for ordering sexed straws into my ai mans pot?

When I was doing my autumn calvers before Christmas thry were looking to get orders then as with Brexit they didn't know if they would be delayed

Grueller

jaymla627 wrote: »

He seen the light eventually, glanbia suppliers who haven't a good reference peak milk built up are going to have to go ayr/autumn calving to get around the new pricing system coming in, your high ebi bulls wont get a look in for these systems

Can you explain the new pricing system please Jay?

jaymla627

Grueller wrote: »

Can you explain the new pricing system please Jay?

Going of the journal article, their is going to be a reference year for april/may/June milk, any milk sent in over the reference volume will be hit with a penalty per litre that hasn't been released yet, in England where a/b milk pricing is commonplace peak milk is hit with 7 plus odd pence of a penalty over your reference allocation

Grueller

jaymla627 wrote: »

Going of the journal article, their is going to be a reference year for april/may/June milk, any milk sent in over the reference volume will be hit with a penalty per litre that hasn't been released yet, in England where a/b milk pricing is commonplace peak milk is hit with 7 plus odd pence of a penalty over your reference allocation

I would think that strathroy will pull in a few new suppliers from the recent new entrants pool following that.

Green&Red

Looking at

JE6238
JE6721
JE4516
ZSP
JE5001
Horizon Boulevard-ET

DukeCaboom

Glenaboy Ronald
Samir
Van dijk

OldcastleTown phoenix

Seville
Virginia
Esmonde
Pivotal
Valergro
Stark

Madisonmenece

Need to chop down to approx 4/5 bulls.

KKG
FOE
PZZ
TMI
FR4184
FR6667
S3532

Freejin

Does Albert have daughters milking yet?