Paul Reid: Value for money?

stefanovich

It's been reported that Paul Reid made €420,103 in 2020.

What do people think? Is his compensation deserved?

https://www.thejournal.ie/hse-boss-paul-reids-salary-increases-to-e420103-5377067-Mar2021/

Not unexpectedly I think it is an outrageous salary and illustrates quite brutally the waste that is endemic in the HSE.

Why would he make more than the Taoiseach? Is he doing a good job?

suicide_circus

While this is obviously crazy money in the context of an organisation which is apparently perpetually under funded, its not Paul's salary itself which is worrying. It's the thousands and thousands of other staff on lower but similarly bloated salaries.

NIMAN

And also the report that there has been a 25% increase in the number of HSE employees earning €100,000+.

Fr Tod Umptious

Once again it's time for a boards.ie

"Someone that I have no idea about what their qualifications are, or what their work load entails, or what the market for their skills is like, is earning a lot of money, something must be wrong"

thread.

He's a CEO

CEOs earn that sort of money.

suicide_circus

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Once again it's time for a boards.ie

"Someone that I have no idea about what their qualifications are, or what their work load entails, or what the market for their skills is like, is earning a lot of money, something must be wrong"

thread.

He's a CEO

CEOs earn that sort of money.

Why is the head of the NHS on £190,000?

Chips Lovell

I'm not sure what the worst job in Ireland is, Minister for Health or head of the HSE. Either way, there's no money in the world you could pay me to do either job.

ThewhiteJesus

Not bad for the man with the skills of a second hand car salesman.
For the record, most of the staff in the HSE are on or below the national average wage and have been through hell over the last year,
working the whole way through in the office, as our systems are so outdated and alot of it is still paper.
Then what about the front line staff putting their lives at risk everyday, but yes why not start yet another hse bashing thread.

helimachoptor

Chips Lovell wrote: »

I'm not sure what the worst job in Ireland is, Minister for Health or head of the HSE. Either way, there's no money in the world you could pay me to do either job.

But as head of the HSE, he's got a 5 year contract so he'll see that out and by some miracle if he didnt see it out no matterhow bad a job he did/does he'll get his full pay and whatever parachute payment he negotiated.

golondrinas1

suicide_circus wrote: »

Why is the head of the NHS on £190,000?

Because he only looks after twenty times the amount of people... Oh and he has enough of the vaccine for EVERYONE..

stefanovich

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

CEOs earn that sort of money.

Even CEOs that are doing a terrible job?

stefanovich

Chips Lovell wrote: »

I'm not sure what the worst job in Ireland is, Minister for Health or head of the HSE. Either way, there's no money in the world you could pay me to do either job.

A nurse in a covid ward making 15x less?

Fr Tod Umptious

suicide_circus wrote: »

Why is the head of the NHS on £190,000?

I don't know why the head of the NHS is on the equivalent of 220k Euro.

Question for the UK government I guess.

Piollaire

Inequality is spiralling out of control in Ireland when you have someone in a public service job sucking up huge resources for himself personally.

Allinall

Piollaire wrote: »

Inequality is spiralling out of control in Ireland when you have someone in a public service job sucking up huge resources for himself personally.

He doesn't set his own pay or conditions.

stefanovich

Piollaire wrote: »

Inequality is spiralling out of control in Ireland when you have someone in a public service job sucking up huge resources for himself personally.

Don't worry. The "progressive" taxation means it's mostly high earners on 40K that are paying Paul's salary.

stefanovich

Allinall wrote: »

He doesn't set his own pay or conditions.

Fair point. The only people I have seen return pay increases are Sinn Fein politicians. I'd hazard a guess that they receive a nice stipend from the party in compensation.

Fr Tod Umptious

stefanovich wrote: »

Even CEOs that are doing a terrible job?

Is he doing a terrible job ?

I know the HSE is a poorly run orginisation since it's inception almost 20 years ago.

That's not down to the current CEO.

And if cut his salary what happens next ?

Do you expect him to get better for less money ?

If you get rid of him do you expect his replacement to do better for less money ?

CEOs are CEOs and on CEO money because they are good at what they do and have worked hard to get to that level.

You don't become a CEO by being lazy or stupid or bad at your job.

Piollaire

Allinall wrote: »

He doesn't set his own pay or conditions.

He looked for it, they gave it to him, it doesn't matter. This guy can buy a new house for himself every year at the expense of everyone else.

enricoh

suicide_circus wrote: »

Why is the head of the NHS on £190,000?

Coz he's thick!

Allinall

Piollaire wrote: »

He looked for it, they gave it to him, it doesn't matter. This guy can buy a new house for himself every year at the expense of everyone else.

Every civil servant in the country could buy 5,000 rolls of toilet paper every year at the expense of everyone else.

What's your point?

cruizer101

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

He's a CEO

CEOs earn that sort of money.

Thats not really a good enough reason in itself.

CEO's are normally held to account by the board which represents the shareholders and so a good CEO increases the share price, often their remuneration will reflect this with a large portion made up of bonuses based on performance.

As head of HSE we the public are in effect the shareholder and should be able to question if he is good value for money. In this case the metrics are not share price but rather the performance of the HSE, e.g. wait times, efficiency, etc.
There should be targets set for which he gets bonuses.

I'm not saying the money he gets is outrageous, but to just say well that's what CEO's get so let him have it with no requirement on performance is silly.

kennypowers

Put it this way if he was let go tomorrow would there be any private sector companies clambering for his services ?

Piollaire

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Is he doing a terrible job ?

I know the HSE is a poorly run orginisation since it's inception almost 20 years ago.

That's not down to the current CEO.

And if cut his salary what happens next ?

Do you expect him to get better for less money ?

If you get rid of him do you expect his replacement to do better for less money ?

CEOs are CEOs and on CEO money because they are good at what they do and have worked hard to get to that level.

You don't become a CEO by being lazy or stupid or bad at your job.

CEOs have become obsessed with extracting the maximum out of the businesses they manage for themselves. The interests of other stakeholders and even the long term good of the business itself is secondary.

Fr Tod Umptious

stefanovich wrote: »

A nurse in a covid ward making 15x less?

That's because it's easy to be a nurse and the country has lots of them.

Anyone with a certain intellect and go to nursing school and become a nurse and spend their whole lives as a nurse on a ward.

But if they want to be more then need to work harder, and study harder, and if they want to get off the wards and the shift work and get into management they need to work harder and study harder again, and if they want to rise all the way up to C level executive they have to work even harder, study even harder and be more driven.

stefanovich

kennypowers wrote: »

Put it this way if he was let go tomorrow would there be any private sector companies clambering for his services ?

He certainly wasn't on that money when he worked for Fingal county council.

stefanovich

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

That's because it's easy to be a nurse and the country has lots of them.

Anyone with a certain intellect and go to nursing school and become a nurse and spend their whole lives as a nurse on a ward.

But if they want to be more then need to work harder, and study harder, and if they want to get off the wards and the shift work and get into management they need to work harder and study harder again, and if they want to rise all the way up to C level executive they have to work even harder, study even harder and be more driven.

My first hand experience of the HSE is that it is not fit for purpose. It is a complete failure. There needs to be a deep cull of the management.

I'm not against high salary if it is value for money. He does not deserve it and would not survive in the public sector.

Fr Tod Umptious

cruizer101 wrote: »

Thats not really a good enough reason in itself.

CEO's are normally held to account by the board which represents the shareholders and so a good CEO increases the share price, often their remuneration will reflect this with a large portion made up of bonuses based on performance.

As head of HSE we the public are in effect the shareholder and should be able to question if he is good value for money. In this case the metrics are not share price but rather the performance of the HSE, e.g. wait times, efficiency, etc.
There should be targets set for which he gets bonuses.

I'm not saying the money he gets is outrageous, but to just say well that's what CEO's get so let him have it with no requirement on performance is silly.

So what are the KPIs and has he achieved them ?

You or I or anyone on this board have no idea what they are or whether his has achieved them.

All we have is some big number that can be compared to other big numbers and plenty of outrage.

stefanovich

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

So what are the KPIs and has he achieved them ?

You or I or anyone on this board have no idea what they are or whether his has achieved them.

All we have is some big number that can be compared to other big numbers and plenty of outrage.

And A&E wards full of vulnerable people being completely neglected.

I've seen the apathy and insane waste first hand. Hospitals are full of people queueing for scans.

Piollaire

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

That's because it's easy to be a nurse and the country has lots of them.

Anyone with a certain intellect and go to nursing school and become a nurse and spend their whole lives as a nurse on a ward.

But if they want to be more then need to work harder, and study harder, and if they want to get off the wards and the shift work and get into management they need to work harder and study harder again, and if they want to rise all the way up to C level executive they have to work even harder, study even harder and be more driven.

When does the ratio become unacceptable x50,x100,x1000? Is it really acceptable when you've successfully attained a position a position of power and control that you absolutely milk it for all that you can squeeze out of it and to hell with everyone else.

cruizer101

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

So what are the KPIs and has he achieved them ?

You or I or anyone on this board have no idea what they are or whether his has achieved them.

I don't know, but why shouldn't it be public knowledge if he has KPI's, has he achieved them, and how much are they worth.
Some people will always moan but most reasonable people would be happy enough if they could see the KPI's and the progress towards them.

If he is doing a good job, he deserves the money.

Also the HSE is a crock of **** so I don't expect anyone to turn it around in a short time frame, but it would be good to see is he actually making progress and worth the money he is getting.

stefanovich

Piollaire wrote: »

When does the ratio become unacceptable x50,x100,x1000? Is it really acceptable when you've successfully attained a position a position of power and control that you absolutely milk it for all that you can squeeze out of it and to hell with everyone else.

My initial question was value for money. The salary I would have no problem with if he turned around the HSE and made sweeping reforms.

I think there needs to be a shock and awe approach to this with the structure dismantled and rebuilt.

Maybe we could offer the NHS CEO the job for less money than Paul.

Allinall

Piollaire wrote: »

When does the ratio become unacceptable x50,x100,x1000? Is it really acceptable when you've successfully attained a position a position of power and control that you absolutely milk it for all that you can squeeze out of it and to hell with everyone else.

I'll repeat it in case you missed it the first time.

He doesn't set his own salary or conditions.

How is he "milking it"?

stefanovich

cruizer101 wrote: »

I don't know, but why shouldn't it be public knowledge if he has KPI's, has he achieved them, and how much are they worth.
Some people will always moan but most reasonable people would be happy enough if they could see the KPI's and the progress towards them.

If he is doing a good job, he deserves the money.

Also the HSE is a crock of **** so I don't expect anyone to turn it around in a short time frame, but it would be good to see is he actually making progress and worth the money he is getting.

Which begs the question. What did he do in Fingal county council that made him the man for the job?

Was it in a similar state and he turned it around? Or did he know the right people?

The cynic in me would guess it was the latter.

stefanovich

Allinall wrote: »

I'll repeat it in case you missed it the first time.

He doesn't set his own salary or conditions.

How is he "milking it"?

He can certainly negotiate his salary. Why were they so desperate to get him in particular? Does he have a track record that justifies it?

Which company has he ran where he has returned value for share holders?

What evidence is there that he is good at spending money efficiently? He certainly gets no practise in his personal life.

Why is his solution always more of our tax money?

Allinall

stefanovich wrote: »

He can certainly negotiate his salary. Why were they so desperate to get him in particular? Does he have a track record that justifies it?

Which company has he ran where he has returned value for share holders?

What evidence is there that he is good at spending money efficiently? He certainly gets no practise in his personal life.

Why is his solution always more of our tax money?

Why are you asking me these questions?

i have no idea of the answers.

stefanovich

stefanovich wrote: »

I think there needs to be a shock and awe approach to this with the structure dismantled and rebuilt.

Id love to see you run that attitude past the politicians both local and national, the IMO, INMO, SIPTU and every other campaign group and vested interest.

You would be public enemy number one in no time, you'd have to leave the country.:pac:

Lol, in Ireland this is how we work.

Always laughed at how John Delaney got away with earning 400k per annum, more than the heads of the Spanish and Italians FAs combined to run a tin pot organisation. It turned out he surrounded himself with little gombeen men who said yes to everything. It stared us in the face.

Paul Reid better watch his back, this was the salary he was given but you can be sure there is someone else making plans to install themselves in his position.

Probably a careerist civil servant type. Useless.

stefanovich

Allinall wrote: »

Why are you asking me these questions?

i have no idea of the answers.

I was being rhetorical.

stefanovich

stefanovich wrote: »

He can certainly negotiate his salary. Why were they so desperate to get him in particular? Does he have a track record that justifies it?

Which company has he ran where he has returned value for share holders?

What evidence is there that he is good at spending money efficiently? He certainly gets no practise in his personal life.

Why is his solution always more of our tax money?

So what is your solution? how much should they be paid?

It's easy to complain and moan much harder to come up with solutions.

stefanovich

mariaalice wrote: »

So what is your solution? how much should they be paid?

It's easy to complain and moan much harder to come up with solutions.

I'd start with picking a competent candidate.

Louis Nutritious Tugboat

Louis Nutritious Tugboat wrote: »

Lol, in Ireland this is how we work.

Always laughed at how John Delaney got away with earning 400k per annum, more than the heads of the Spanish and Italians FAs combined to run a tin pot organisation. It turned out he surrounded himself with little gombeen men who said yes to everything. It stared us in the face.

Paul Reid better watch his back, this was the salary he was given but you can be sure there is someone else making plans to install themselves in his position.

Probably a careerist civil servant type. Useless.

I wouldn't worry he will retire on a nice pension and take up consultancy work be on the board of directors of some health care management company or running a big hospital group in Dubi or the like.

Health care management is a worldwide business.

stefanovich

mariaalice wrote: »

So what is your solution? how much should they be paid?

It's easy to complain and moan much harder to come up with solutions.

The HSE CEO probably shouldn't be paid more than his counterpart in a much larger country unless we are trying to attract someone with a proven track record.

What justifies him being hired in the first place? I would have thrown his CV in the bin and not even called him back.

stefanovich

mariaalice wrote: »

Health care management is a worldwide business.

And we restricted the pool to Fingal county council.

Who else was considered for the role? Why did he come out on top?

As his employers we have a right to know.

stefanovich

stefanovich wrote: »

I'd start with picking a competent candidate.

Tell us how you do that?

Health care management is a worldwide very well-paid career do you really think the best at it or the best at change management is going to come to Ireland for a salary of 400k?

It is a large salary from my point of view but its not large in the world of health care management.

punisher5112

helimachoptor wrote: »

But as head of the HSE, he's got a 5 year contract so he'll see that out and by some miracle if he didnt see it out no matterhow bad a job he did/does he'll get his full pay and whatever parachute payment he negotiated.

Don't forget a pension that would give others a heart attack

Fr Tod Umptious

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Once again it's time for a boards.ie

"Someone that I have no idea about what their qualifications are, or what their work load entails, or what the market for their skills is like, is earning a lot of money, something must be wrong"

thread.

He's a CEO

CEOs earn that sort of money.

Well what exactly is it then that you think I need to know about his work load and duties in order to be allowed to question his salary?

Fair enough, he is a CEO, one assumes he has the education, experience, put the hours in to get where he is and all that, I've no grudge against the man earning a reasonable wage.

But if I'm the one footing the bill for it and I'm not been given a say in the matter then why at least should I not be allowed the courtesy of an explanation? I'm not trying to say he be held up to some sort of popularity contest, it's none of my business what the likes of Bill Gates earns after all since I can choose to give him by custom or take it elsewhere if I prefer, but my taxes are not a voluntary payment. Your man's picking up a pay check for 8K a week and it's funded by the public not private business.

Why is it not reasonable to have some sort of accountability regarding why X amount of money is spent on X services?

stefanovich

mariaalice wrote: »

Tell us how you do that?

Health care management is a worldwide very well-paid career do you really think the best at it or the best at change management is going to come to Ireland for a salary of 400k?

It is a large salary from my point of view but its not large in the world of health care management.

The NHS CEO is on?

stefanovich

mariaalice wrote: »

Health care management is a worldwide very well-paid career do you really think the best at it or the best at change management is going to come to Ireland for a salary of 400k?

It's well paid because it's funded from public money. When you spend other people's money on other people you waste it.

Why is he not implementing obvious reforms?

Dempo1

Has there ever been a spoofer of such epic proportion in the history of this country to have recieved such a Salary, its appalling, Shocking, outrageous, offensive and disgusting. WTF is this and previous government at, permitting this and other outrageous salaries at the HSE at senior manager level, it's just beyond astonishing. I wouldn't mind if any of them, especially Reid had an ounce of competence.

You've only got to watch the absurd weekly HSE spin session, they call a press conference, it would put a fortune 500 company to shame, it includes a shiny, long haired head of PR, not even government press conferences are so tightly controlled. The slightest difficult question asked, results in a tetchy, petulant response.

I can put up with restrictions, I can put up with appropriate measures, I've had to put up with genuine hardships like so many, but I've become to dislike and distrust all non medical senior management at the HSE, who's false Emphaty and concern are galling and frankly vomit enducing, these salary relevations are just shocking and offensive.

stefanovich

Dempo1 wrote: »

Has there ever been a spoofer of such epic proportion in the history of this country to have recieved such a Salary, its appalling, Shocking, outrageous, offensive and disgusting. WTF is this and previous government at, permitting this and other outrageous salaries at the HSE at senior manager level, it's just beyond astonishing. I wouldn't mind if any of them, especially Reid had an ounce of competence.

You've only got to watch the absurd weekly HSE spin session, they call a press conference, it would put a fortune 500 company to shame, it includes a shiny, long haired head of PR, not even government press conferences are so tightly controlled. The slightest difficult question asked, results in a tetchy, petulant response.

I can put up with restrictions, I can put up with appropriate measures, I've had to put up with genuine hardships like so many, but I've become to dislike and distrust all non medical senior management at the HSE, who's false Emphaty and concern are galling and frankly vomit enducing, these salary relevations are just shocking and offensive.

I'd vote Sinn Fein if they'd initiate the cull even if they raised taxes, just to spite HSE management and drop a metaphorical grenade into the trough.

Simon Stevens – collected a salary of £478,000 last year.