Lambing

clonagh

Thought a dedicated lambing thread might be useful to share knowledge...

I've a couple of pet lambs and will have more no doubt. I'm going to try and get them onto a cold ab-lib system and was wondering if there is a specific technique to get them from warm milk out of a bottle to cold milk from a teated bucket? I've used a teated bucket before so its more advice on getting them to drink cold milk. Thanks.

Kevhog1988

clonagh wrote: »

Thought a dedicated lambing thread might be useful to share knowledge...

I've a couple of pet lambs and will have more no doubt. I'm going to try and get them onto a cold ab-lib system and was wondering if there is a specific technique to get them from warm milk out of a bottle to cold milk from a teated bucket? I've used a teated bucket before so its more advice on getting them to drink cold milk. Thanks.

Start them on the bucket on warm milk then once they are sucking well switch to cold

charolais0153

Treble hogget lambed down with no milk, gave her oxytocin, what else can j give

Mad about baa baas

charolais0153 wrote: »

Treble hogget lambed down with no milk, gave her oxytocin, what else can j give

Someone with more expertise than I might confirm that this works on sheep but.. we give mares struggling with milk motillium..50 tablets twice daily.. mares be roughly 5-600 kg

Mad about baa baas

Mad about baa baas wrote: »

Someone with more expertise than I might confirm that this works on sheep but.. we give mares struggling with milk motillium..50 tablets twice daily.. mares be roughly 5-600 kg

Just did a quick google and motillium. Is recommended for women to increase breast milk so I'd imagine would help sheep too

charolais0153

charolais0153 wrote: »

Treble hogget lambed down with no milk, gave her oxytocin, what else can j give

Grass and meal....cut and bring it in,or let her out

clonagh

Have a couple of lambs with joint ill, giving them Betamox and a shot of loxicom, is there anything better?

wrangler

clonagh wrote: »

Have a couple of lambs with joint ill, giving them Betamox and a shot of loxicom, is there anything better?

Joint ill needs to be injected daily for ten days with the betamox,

clonagh

wrangler wrote: »

Joint ill needs to be injected daily for ten days with the betamox,

Ok, thanks. I've been treating one of them for 4 days and I see him racing around the field at the moment, should I keep injecting him for the full 10 days, if I can catch him...

wrangler

clonagh wrote: »

Ok, thanks. I've been treating one of them for 4 days and I see him racing around the field at the moment, should I keep injecting him for the full 10 days, if I can catch him...

It's a very difficult infection to kill properly and if it comes back you won't cure him. Any time it has been discussed on here the advice is to give for ten days.
We always do them for ten days here but we'd bring them back into the shed for the ten days. They're not fools, they won't allow you to catch them out in the field after the first few days

clonagh

Thanks.

farawaygrass

clonagh wrote: »

Have a couple of lambs with joint ill, giving them Betamox and a shot of loxicom, is there anything better?

Used noraclav for joint ill and find it pretty good. Not sure if it’s much different than betamox

razor8

farawaygrass wrote: »

Used noraclav for joint ill and find it pretty good. Not sure if it’s much different than betamox

In my experience there seems to be different strains of it that appear from year to year. One year betamox can kill it next year useless. Last year I had 2 very bad and linspec got them 100%

farawaygrass

razor8 wrote: »

In my experience there seems to be different strains of it that appear from year to year. One year betamox can kill it next year useless. Last year I had 2 very bad and linspec got them 100%

Interesting

J.O. Farmer

farawaygrass wrote: »

Used noraclav for joint ill and find it pretty good. Not sure if it’s much different than betamox

Both contain the same antibiotic amoxicillin but noroclav also has clavulanic acid which can make the amoxicillin work even where there's penicillin resistance.

Noroclav is similar to what the doctor might prescribe yourself.

390kid

Hogget lambed here Saturday night all well and good but the lamb seems croaky when breathing? Should I give him a jag of penicillin or leave him be? He’s fit and healthy otherwise

Sami23

390kid wrote: »

Hogget lambed here Saturday night all well and good

Totally different topic but when you say a Hoggot do you mean a Hoggot you might have bought last September that is now around 2 years old or is it a Ewe Lamb from last year you now refer to as a Hoggot.
Sorry for going off topic

Kevhog1988

Sami23 wrote: »

Totally different topic but when you say a Hoggot do you mean a Hoggot you might have bought last September that is now around 2 years old or is it a Ewe Lamb from last year you now refer to as a Hoggot.
Sorry for going off topic

id call a ewe lamb from last year a hogget.

Sami23

Kevhog1988 wrote: »

id call a ewe lamb from last year a hogget.

Interesting as I would always have referred to Hoggots bought in September for the Ram still as Hoggots when they lamb down the following spring

farawaygrass

Sami23 wrote: »

Interesting as I would always have referred to Hoggots bought in September for the Ram still as Hoggots when they lamb down the following spring

I find it’s hard to nail down exactly what different expressions mean as different people use terms differently, rightly or wrongly.
For me, from spring on, then a lamb born in 2020 would become a hogget, as lambs would be the ones born now

Sami23

farawaygrass wrote: »

I find it’s hard to nail down exactly what different expressions mean as different people use terms differently, rightly or wrongly.
For me, from spring on, then a lamb born in 2020 would become a hogget, as lambs would be the ones born now

To follow on that trend could you call a 1st Crop to any age be they Hoggot, 2 tear old or 3 year old once it's their first lamb/s ?

White Clover

Sami23 wrote: »

To follow on that trend could you call a 1st Crop to any age be they Hoggot, 2 tear old or 3 year old once it's their first lamb/s ?

That's my understanding. A yearling lambing down is a hoggett, A 2 year old lambing for the first time is a 1st crop.

Oldira

I presume that it’s no harm to dose ewes after lambing? Handy while in the lambing pens

Mad about baa baas

Have a ewe here that is showing all signs of lambing for 24 hours now.. clear discharge..getting up and down ..licking lips.. ad far as I know hasn't put out the water bag yet.. am I just impatient and checking her too much or should she have progressed by now.. is up to her time on days. 4th crop lamber never any issues before

FarmerDougal

Mad about baa baas wrote: »

Have a ewe here that is showing all signs of lambing for 24 hours now.. clear discharge..getting up and down ..licking lips.. ad far as I know hasn't put out the water bag yet.. am I just impatient and checking her too much or should she have progressed by now.. is up to her time on days. 4th crop lamber never any issues before

Did you handle her?

Mad about baa baas

FarmerDougal wrote: »

Did you handle her?

Feels very tight.. peeing a lot too very tight as in I really only got a couple of fingers in.. not open at all yet. Do I ignore fora while and try patience

FarmerDougal

Mad about baa baas wrote: »

Feels very tight.. peeing a lot too very tight as in I really only got a couple of fingers in.. not open at all yet. Do I ignore fora while and try patience

Was she pressing and forcing at any stage

Mad about baa baas

Mad about baa baas wrote: »

Feels very tight.. peeing a lot too very tight as in I really only got a couple of fingers in.. not open at all yet. Do I ignore fora while and try patience

Sounds like shes aborting lambs......you can get an injection to put her forcing/bring her along.....takes 12 hours or so to work


Probably be a fair ould smell off her soon......you could try calcium for energy,but if shes made no effort,hardly be tired?

Mad about baa baas

FarmerDougal wrote: »

Was she pressing and forcing at any stage

Maybe 2 times I caught her with head up and slightly straining but overall not really. Just as I say uneasy and licking her lips and also the ground where discharge drops. I keep saying next time she gets down the blister will appear

Mad about baa baas

Mad about baa baas wrote: »

Maybe 2 times I caught her with head up and slightly straining but overall not really. Just as I say uneasy and licking her lips and also the ground where discharge drops. I keep saying next time she gets down the blister will appear

Crisis over... I manipulated her open and waters broke.. had 3 live triplets. First one was coming backwards..

Sami23

Mad about baa baas wrote: »

Crisis over... I manipulated her open and waters broke.. had 3 live triplets. First one was coming backwards..

No so bad - have you anything to foster 1 onto now is the next question

Mad about baa baas

Sami23 wrote: »

No so bad - have you anything to foster 1 onto now is the next question

No.. she is first one to lamb...last 3 years she has done a great job with 2 and stayed fat herself.. I might give her extra feed and chance her for a while..

wrangler

A hogget put out her lamb bed immediately after lambing this morning, we're three quarters way through now and that's the first hassle we've had. The lleyn breeding is really maternal,
Despite the upset she licked the lamb as soon as we put her back in the pen after her ordeal

clonagh

How long should you wait before assisitng a ewe lamb that's lambing?

wrangler

clonagh wrote: »

How long should you wait before assisitng a ewe lamb that's lambing?

I usually wait about half an hour after the water bag. ewe lambs are prone to a lamb coming head first so I'd check that first, if she gets the head out it can be a bit of a job to lamb her.
if everything is coming right and she's making progress, leave her alone

arctictree

wrangler wrote: »

I usually wait about half an hour after the water bag. ewe lambs are prone to a lamb coming head first so I'd check that first, if she gets the head out it can be a bit of a job to lamb her.
if everything is coming right and she's making progress, leave her alone

Getting an awful lot of that with a group of ewe lambs I am lambing. Maybe every 3rd or 4th one. Can be a bit of a job pushing it back in. I'm probably feeding then too much but they were lambing without milk a while ago so had to up the ration...

clonagh

wrangler wrote: »

I usually wait about half an hour after the water bag. ewe lambs are prone to a lamb coming head first so I'd check that first, if she gets the head out it can be a bit of a job to lamb her.
if everything is coming right and she's making progress, leave her alone

Thanks Wrangler

wrangler

arctictree wrote: »

Getting an awful lot of that with a group of ewe lambs I am lambing. Maybe every 3rd or 4th one. Can be a bit of a job pushing it back in. I'm probably feeding then too much but they were lambing without milk a while ago so had to up the ration...

Grass grew earlier this year and has increased the size of lambs, are yours out on grass.
OHs arms are so thin that she can get her hand down along beside the lamb and pull up the leg, so easy when you can do that.

Bleating Lamb

Lambing out here....down to last few....had a nice Cheviot ewe pricking about all day,over and back the field but wouldn't settle down to lamb so brought her in before dark and was as well I did....knew she was carrying a single and had reduced nuts to them but she had a giant of a Suffolk x ewe lamb alive thankfully...….Put hand in and waterbag was there but lamb was upside down in her and head was away down...took nice while working at her but got lambed turned around and head up but had serious pull on lamb...ewe bled a bit after but settled it down then...great hardy lamb....up and sucking in 15 mins after a traumatic birth.

OneMan37

arctictree wrote: »

Getting an awful lot of that with a group of ewe lambs I am lambing. Maybe every 3rd or 4th one. Can be a bit of a job pushing it back in. I'm probably feeding then too much but they were lambing without milk a while ago so had to up the ration...

It’s hard to get it right, I’d rather a smaller lamb, and feed the lamb artificial milk alongside the ewes milk for a few days while feeding her mother as lib in order to come on milk post lambing.