Difference between People before Profit and Solidarity

2lazytogetup

Anyone know what the difference is between these 2 fringe parties in Ireland.

Paul Murphy has moved to PBP recently.

I checked their websites and I can't see any critical differences between the two parties.

Please no sarcastic responses such as critising the left

There is no difference

biko

Maybe one is more pro-Palestine than the other.

doublejobbing 2

None really. Just fronts for unemployable, left wing fascist scum.

Poor Paulie is getting plenty of stick for his latest move! RISE with PBP? I wonder how long will this marriage last?

Sweet.Science

It's hard to keep up

There will be a falling out soon and names will change again

Itssoeasy

Paul Murphy is now in PBP ? Didn’t know that had happened. The assortment of these parties on the left are like a real life version of the life of Brian scene involving the judean peoples front.

Smegging hell

One difference would be that PBP support a border poll while the Socialist Party don't because they're worried it will alienate the Protestant working class. The fact the SP have next to no support in Protestant areas of the north doesn't make much difference.

statesaver

It's not a difference but both have a firm believe there is a magic money tree and it will pay for everything.

biko

They both think ACAB until Garda blocks anti-lock-downers.

2lazytogetup wrote: »

Please no sarcastic responses such as critising the left

Sorry

PhilOssophy

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Paul Murphy is now in PBP ? Didn’t know that had happened. The assortment of these parties on the left are like a real life version of the life of Brian scene involving the judean peoples front.

Paul has probably noticed he can get more votes by playing the PBP violin rather than Solidarity one.

Whether or not himself and RBB - the "Champagne Socialists" really believes what they are peddling, only they know.

Smegging hell

If you want to avoid 'sarcastic responses such as critising the left', boards probably isn't the best place to ask haha

Brussels Sprout

2lazytogetup wrote: »

Anyone know what the difference is between these 2 fringe parties in Ireland.

Honestly, not a whole pile. In fact they are the same party for election purposes (Solidarity-People Before Profit).

Like most of these things it has to do with history. PBP was a rebranding of the Socialist Worker's Party.

Solidary was a rebranding of the Anti-Austerity Alliance which itself was an offshoot of the Socialist Party.

The Socialist Party were an offshoot of the Labour party whereas the Socialist Worker's Party was a rebranding of the Socilaist Worker's Network which seemed to have been formed independently in the early '70.

To make matters even more complicated Independents 4 Change, which has 1 TD in the Dail (Joan Collins) was created when Clare Daly left the Socialist Party over her support for Mick Wallace over his VAT scandal.

Paul Murphy then formed RISE 18 months ago when he left PBP.

The whole thing is an ungodly mess and a classic example of the famous saying "the left seeks traitors and the right converts"

The hard-left aren't the only ones at it either. The Soc Dems were formed after Roisín Shorthall had a row with the Labour Party. We could quite well have a schism in the Green Party as well before the end of this Government.

I have no time for Paul Murphy but he's correct in saying that it's time that some of these parties consolidated. I doubt he'll have any luck but ditching RISE and joining PBP is a good first step.

Jimbob1977

The same difference as between the Judean People's Front and the People's Front of Judea.

Splitters!!..

doublejobbing 2

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

None really. Just fronts for unemployable, left wing fascist scum.

Things you can be;

- Left wing
- Fascist
- Scum
- Left wing scum
- Fascist scum

Things you cannot be;

- A left wing fascist


Please learn the meaning of words before you use them.

biko

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

he's correct in saying that it's time that some of these parties consolidated. I doubt he'll have any luck but ditching RISE and joining PBP is a good first step.

Indeed, the many fractions of the left is good for conservative parties like Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael.
The left fights amongst themselves and gets more and more splintered.

Jimbob1977

As an aside, there seems to be a trend of politicians and Councillors getting elected as Social Democrats and then "jumping ship" within two years.

Social Democrats are a great springboard to election, but get dumped shortly afterwards.

Smegging hell

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

The Socialist Party were an offshoot of the Labour party whereas the Socialist Worker's Party was a rebranding of the Socilaist Worker's Network which seemed to have been formed independently in the early '70.

A reasonable summary but you have this the wrong way round, the SWP rebranded itself as the SWN a few years ago. Also, Murphy is ex-SP

biko

It's like they can't agree on if they should be Stalinists or Maoists.

Montage of Feck

Where is the socialist party gone? Joe Higgins seemed a decent TD.

biko

biko wrote: »

Indeed, the many fractions of the left is good for conservative parties like Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael.
The left fights amongst themselves and gets more and more splintered.

The left has never been closer in Ireland.

Montage of Feck

Deleted User wrote: »

Things you can be;

- Left wing
- Fascist
- Scum
- Left wing scum
- Fascist scum

Things you cannot be;

- A left wing fascist


Please learn the meaning of words before you use them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevism

Smegging hell

Montage of Feck wrote: »

Where is the socialist party gone? Joe Higgins seemed a decent TD.

Solidarity is the relabelled Socialist Party, essentially, used to be the Anti-Austerity Alliance but the ugly acronym never caught on. Mick Barry in Cork is their only TD now. Clare Daly left to go independent, Paul Murphy left to set up RISE which is now joining PBP, and Coppinger lost her seat last year.

Rodney Bathgate

2lazytogetup wrote: »

Anyone know what the difference is between these 2 fringe parties in Ireland.

Paul Murphy has moved to PBP recently.

I checked their websites and I can't see any critical differences between the two parties.

Please no sarcastic responses such as critising the left

I thought he setup and moved to ‘RISE’?

Smegging hell

Montage of Feck wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZZd-1svImQ

Rodney Bathgate

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

I thought he setup and moved to ‘RISE’?

Apologies, hadn’t seen the latest on this.

Murphy left Solidarity to setup RISE, now RISE is becoming part of PBP which is part of ‘Solidarity-PBP’ which was previously AAA.

Makes sense.

Smegging hell

Maybe we need a thread on the differences between the National Party and Síol na hÉireann?

Rodney Bathgate

Smegging hell wrote: »

Maybe we need a thread on the differences between the National Party and Síol na hÉireann?

Is something stopping you creating one?

Montage of Feck

Montage of Feck wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevism

Read the core principles of National Bolshevism, and don't respond to me with something so stupid again.

Normal One

Looking forward to seeing them squeeze "PBP-RISE-SOLIDARITY-AAA-SOCIALIST PARTY" onto their posters come election time.

padd b1975

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Apologies, hadn’t seen the latest on this.

Murphy left Solidarity to setup RISE, now RISE is becoming part of PBP which is part of ‘Solidarity-PBP’ which was previously AAA.

Makes sense.

Solidarity-PBP is just a marriage of convenience to get better speaking rights in the Dáil.
They pretty much just about tolerate each other outside of that.

Murphy hates Brid Smith for running against him in the European elections and splitting the vote.

Joe Higgins hates Richard Boyd Barrett for being to bourgeois.

Coppinger hates all white people.

They're a complete shambles.

Red Silurian

Same as the difference between FF and FG, same policies, same ****e bring spouted but with the impression of 2 parties instead of one

James Brown

biko wrote: »

Maybe one is more pro-Palestine than the other.

Simon Coveney is in FG. I'm sure a few FF'ers are decent too.

James Brown

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Apologies, hadn’t seen the latest on this.

Murphy left Solidarity to setup RISE, now RISE is becoming part of PBP which is part of ‘Solidarity-PBP’ which was previously AAA.

Makes sense.

He's been RISE over a year or so ago, maybe 2. I'm not sure you've researched this.

O'Neill

Love to know what on Earth is going on in PBPs new logo

Rodney Bathgate

James Brown wrote: »

He's been RISE over a year or so ago, maybe 2. I'm not sure you've researched this.

Point out the part that is incorrect please. What more should I ‘research’?

Smegging hell

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Is something stopping you creating one?

I was hoping one of their members would. Seeing them squabble over whether Barrett or McConnell should be Supreme Leader would give us some much needed levity.

Rodney Bathgate

Smegging hell wrote: »

I was hoping one of their members would. Seeing them squabble over whether Barrett or McConnell should be Supreme Leader would give us some much needed levity.

Why not start a thread then? Instead of trying to take this thread off topic?

cute geoge

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

As an aside, there seems to be a trend of politicians and Councillors getting elected as Social Democrats and then "jumping ship" within two years.

Social Democrats are a great springboard to election, but get dumped shortly afterwards.

I don't know about that .I am no fan the left but listening to week on politics Social Dem. Garry Gannon T.D. and Holly Cairns T.D. who impressed me and would be more then capable then some of the dim wits around the cabinet table

Seth Brundle

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Things you cannot be;

- A left wing fascist

"Don't you oppress me!"

Smegging hell

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Why not start a thread then? Instead of trying to take this thread off topic?

You're right, I shouldn't take the thread off topic by commenting about irrelevant micro-groups. My apologies.

Rodney Bathgate

Smegging hell wrote: »

You're right, I shouldn't take the thread off topic by commenting about irrelevant micro-groups. My apologies.

Touché

Annasopra

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

As an aside, there seems to be a trend of politicians and Councillors getting elected as Social Democrats and then "jumping ship" within two years.

Social Democrats are a great springboard to election, but get dumped shortly afterwards.

A trend? I can only think of 1 TD. Not really a trend.

Too many egos for one party. They all want to be leader.

Montage of Feck

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Read the core principles of National Bolshevism, and don't respond to me with something so stupid again.

Ok, I'm going to start my own party just to prove you wrong. So who up for joining the National Communist Party of Ireland?

Danzy

2lazytogetup wrote: »

Anyone know what the difference is between these 2 fringe parties in Ireland.

Paul Murphy has moved to PBP recently.

I checked their websites and I can't see any critical differences between the two parties.

Please no sarcastic responses such as critising the left

No real difference but the hatred between them can often be surprisingly intense.

Give it 2 years and they'll realign and hate those they like now and sing the Internationale with today's bitter rivals.

For Forks Sake

Deleted User wrote: »

Too many egos for one party. They all want to be leader.

As opposed to the Soc Dems, where nobody wants to be leader.

For Forks Sake

Smegging hell wrote: »

One difference would be that PBP support a border poll while the Socialist Party don't because they're worried it will alienate the Protestant working class. The fact the SP have next to no support in Protestant areas of the north doesn't make much difference.

Didn't PBP in NI back Brexit?

For Forks Sake

Normal One wrote: »

Looking forward to seeing them squeeze "PBP-RISE-SOLIDARITY-AAA-SOCIALIST PARTY" onto their posters come election time.

.anon.

2lazytogetup wrote: »

I checked their websites and I can't see any critical differences between the two parties.

Subtle differences, but mostly history, personalities and egos. Same as the differences between Fine Gael and Fianna Fail. To be fair to Paul Murphy, he has always seemed very amenable to the idea of left-wing groups co-operating with each other.