Is this tyre safe?

Rockfish

Company van, wanted to get anew tire, Boss said no, its fine. Thread depth is juts below 3mm so legally ok but it looks very worn along the edges. is he being unreasonable?



https://ibb.co/NZKSFVR

bazz26

Hard to know without seeing but if there is excess wear on the edges then it should be replaced imo rather than just going on the thread depth. I'd also be looking at what is causing the excess wear, could be under/over inflation or worn suspension but it sounds like your boss isn't interested. Did he/she actually see the tyre?

Toyotafanboi

By the book i'd say it's NCT/ CVRT passable, in reality though, it's well past it's best. I wouldn't be wild about it by any means.

neris

Looks dead and is going to need to be replaced soon any way so for the sake of a few quid your boss is either a tight arse or doesnt give a crap or both.

Rockfish

bazz26 wrote: »

Hard to know without seeing but if there is excess wear on the edges then it should be replaced imo rather than just going on the thread depth. I'd also be looking at what is causing the excess wear, could be under/over inflation or worn suspension but it sounds like your boss isn't interested. Did he/she actually see the tyre?

Oh ya he measured the depth it with English 20p coin

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

By the book i'd say it's NCT/ CVRT passable, in reality though, it's well past it's best. I wouldn't be wild about it by any means.

Not wild about it myself, if it was my own private car id be changing it

CoBo55

No way I'd drive a van with that tyre. Can't stand that penny pinching by a boss at the end of the day it's you the driver who'll get hassle from the cops.

Whocare

Rockfish wrote: »

Company van, wanted to get anew tire, Boss said no, its fine. Thread depth is juts below 3mm so legally ok but it looks very worn along the edges. is he being unreasonable?



https://ibb.co/NZKSFVR

In eyes of law it perfectly legal nct a car few months back with tyres like that centre ¾ of tyre with about 2m . If I was you I just forgot about it you report it .there nothing more you can do . Is company having money problems I wonder ?

SuperSean11

Puncture it then has to be replaced

Whocare

CoBo55 wrote: »

No way I'd drive a van with that tyre. Can't stand that penny pinching by a boss at the end of the day it's you the driver who'll get hassle from the cops.

Tyre is legal so there going to be no hassle

Wishbone Ash

Getting hassle form the Gardai would be the least of my worries. I'd be more concerned about safety.

Whocare

I say it depends on company if company is doing well tyre like that need replacing asap I be well annoyed going around with tyre like that But on other hand if place is struggling to keep in business the tyre is legal and just keep a eye on it

tcawley29

SuperSean11 wrote: »

Puncture it then has to be replaced

Was gonna say the same :pac:

Either that or crash the van and say I told ya so

Lewis_Benson

Don't go over 50km/h
And when your boss is wondering why you are gone longer than normal, tell him or her you don't feel safe driving any fast on that tyre.

CoBo55

Whocare wrote: »

Tyre is legal so there going to be no hassle

Barely legal, anyway there's more than legality to consider here it looks very worn on the outside and I'd say its performance on a wet road would be poor at best. Can't stand that messing with tyres, it's all you have at the end of the day. Luckily anyone I ever drove for, vehicle and driver safety were top priority. I'd be writing it down on my work sheet, not happy with offside front tyre, request to get it replaced denied by (person's name). Is the spare any better? Maybe use that instead.

Whocare

CoBo55 wrote: »

Barely legal, anyway there's more than legality to consider here it looks very worn on the outside and I'd say its performance on a wet road would be poor at best. Can't stand that messing with tyres, it's all you have at the end of the day. Luckily anyone I ever drove for, vehicle and driver safety were top priority. I'd be writing it down on my work sheet, not happy with offside front tyre, request to get it replaced denied by (person's name). Is the spare any better? Maybe use that instead.

It up to op if want to walk over it .boss told him it legal what more can OP do ? Quit I guess

grogi

That tyre is fine when it comes to tread depth, looks like 4mm or so. It is however excessively worn on the outside because of toe-in - the suspension would need to be corrected.

Rockfish

Money is def not an issue, its a semi state company Im going to get onto union rep, i just wanted confirmation that its not safe, that i wasnt being overly fussy, not long in the job

Seve OB

Heaven forbid someone spills a few nails and you accidentally drive over them

Rockfish

grogi wrote: »

That tyre is fine when it comes to tread depth, looks like 4mm or so. It is however excessively worn on the outside because of toe-in - the suspension would need to be corrected.

No its just under 3mm actually

H3llR4iser

Legally speaking, it's all right.

From a grip/safety point of view...I don't like it. Looks like it's worn unevenly and, even more interestingly, looks like there's more wear on the outside than on the inside, which should not be possible given how suspension are supposed to work. Clearly something needs to be adjusted in the setup.
Moreover, the surface of the rubber, although it's somewhat harder to tell from a photo, looks hardened and "glossy", which usually mean a very old tire...

Rockfish

Whocare wrote: »

It's not a Mercedes van by any chance .as thay have problem with outside tyre wear

No, Ford connect

mickdw

Driver is responsible for the vehicle they take onto the road. It may be just about legal but it could certainly be the difference between having an accident and not on a very wet road so you therefore should drive with care.
Id be recording in writing that you have reported tyre as being near end of life.

Wishbone Ash

Rockfish wrote: »

Money is def not an issue, its a semi state company Im going to get onto union rep...

If in a semi-state, submit a risk assessment and request that it be escalated by a safety rep. (Most companies are required to have safety reps. Even if they are 'tick box' appointments, a risk assessment often concentrates the mind.)

(Not really a trade union matter as it doesn't affect your terms and conditions of employment).

Cerco

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

(Not really a trade union matter as it doesn't affect your terms and conditions of employment).

If it could cause an accident then it most certainly would affect his terms & conditions. An employer has a responsibility under health & safety to protect their employees.
I would get an opinion from a tyre outlet or someone competent who can physically examine it.

Wishbone Ash

Cerco wrote: »

If it could cause an accident then it most certainly would affect his terms & conditions. An employer has a responsibility under health & safety to protect their employees....

Yes, a health and safety matter - not a trade union matter. That is not to say that a trade union wouldn't take it up.

(I was a trade union branch secretary for 15 years. Much of what members think is a matter for their union actually isn't).

Tails142

I'll just link this post which quotes Michelin's position https://www.automotiveworld.com/news-releases/michelin-changing-tyres-3mm-unnecessary-costly-harmful-environment/

That tyre is at a level where it is at peak fuel efficiency and dry breaking performance, outside thread does very little hence the focus on the centre 75% and on many brands the outside thread is shallow to begin with.

Wishbone Ash

Tails142 wrote: »

I'll just link this post which quotes Michelin's position https://www.automotiveworld.com/news-releases/michelin-changing-tyres-3mm-unnecessary-costly-harmful-environment/

That tyre is at a level where it is at peak fuel efficiency and dry breaking performance, outside thread does very little hence the focus on the centre 75% and on many brands the outside thread is shallow to begin with.

That link was interesting until I got to this bit. What a ridiculous analogy!

A consumer would not throw away his shoes just because they need cleaning, or the tube of toothpaste which was half full, so why would he do this with tyres

yamaha4life

That tyre is below the legal limit on the edge and thats all it will take for a picky garda to issue a fine + points and you being the driver will be punished not your boss.

IMO i would want that replaced very soon, no matter company car or personal vehicle but thats just me.

Eoinbmw

Could be the lighting but the inside of that tyre looks more bald the the outside?

vandriver

yamaha4life wrote: »

That tyre is below the legal limit on the edge and thats all it will take for a picky garda to issue a fine + points and you being the driver will be punished not your boss.

IMO i would want that replaced very soon, no matter company car or personal vehicle but thats just me.

The legal limit is 1.6 mm across 75 % of the tyre width.
No reason for a garda,picky or otherwise,to have an issue with this.

FrankC21

Follow your instinct man, if you think it's unsafe it probably is. I won't leave it too late if I were you.

listermint

Might be due up soon for its service. Semi states should have an operation based on mileage of run hours. Maybe ask him if its coming up?

Ash.J.Williams

I’d never replace one tyre

Isambard

what's your spare like? If it's better, I'd stick it on and keep this for an emergency .

Dirty Nails

Rockfish wrote: »

Company van, wanted to get anew tire, Boss said no, its fine. Thread depth is juts below 3mm so legally ok but it looks very worn along the edges. is he being unreasonable?



https://ibb.co/NZKSFVR

If it's a company van & especially semi state,do you not have to fill the daily walk -around sheet?
Mark it as a defect & report it to your fleet manager. If you're the only driver,it's your responsibility & not your bosses opinion that counts.
Cover your own back first.
Tyre looks like it was underpressured.

landcrzr

If you're driving a commercial vehicle for work, you're probably completing a daily vehicle checklist. Note your concern on that and tell your boss. Keep noting the issue until it's sorted. If you're stopped by a garda, show them your checklist history, likewise in the event of an accident.

Wishbone Ash

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I’d never replace one tyre

So if you put four new tyres on your vehicle and then one suffers catastrophic damage the following day, you'd replace all four tyres again?

the_pen_turner

waste of time reporting anything. boss alread showed you they dont care.

i would find an quiete road somewhere on your normal route and let the air out then drive for a bit the inside of the tire will be ruined and the tire fitters will condem it.put a nail in it and put on the spare . then tell your boss you got a puncture on the motorway and couldnt pull in for a few hundred yards due to the road being narrow and unsafe.

1874

Seve OB wrote: »

Heaven forbid someone spills a few nails and you accidentally drive over them

I wouldnt bother, it will look intentional
Too late now, but Id have discreetly recorded that conversation, and put it in writing too.
for someone pottering around locally,Id say it could be ok,
Id replace that on my car, and for a work vehicle, definitely.


But I would not pay for it myself, report it in writing, make note of highlighting it, keep records. drive with consideration of the tyre.
Putting the spare on sounds like a good idea, if its ok.

I dont know how a business can take the risk

delboythedub

Rockfish wrote: »

Company van, wanted to get anew tire, Boss said no, its fine. Thread depth is juts below 3mm so legally ok but it looks very worn along the edges. is he being unreasonable?



https://ibb.co/NZKSFVR

Bring your van to a tyre centre and seek their advice. If tyre is bad and van is in an accident Gardai will hold on to van.

Ash.J.Williams

Get two tyres , hate mismatched tyres

mickdw

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

So if you put four new tyres on your vehicle and then one suffers catastrophic damage the following day, you'd replace all four tyres again?

Clearly they meant replace at least 2 at a time.
In your example, if the tyres are brand new, obviously it would be perfectly fine to replace a damaged one with an identical one but in the ops case, the tyre in question is nearing end of life and so surely both tyres should be replaced.

Wishbone Ash

mickdw wrote: »

Clearly they meant replace at least 2 at a time.
In your example, if the tyres are brand new, obviously it would be perfectly fine to replace a damaged one with an identical one but in the ops case, the tyre in question is nearing end of life and so surely both tyres should be replaced.

Relax - it was tongue in cheek as they used the word 'never'.

Isambard

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Get two tyres , hate mismatched tyres

his Boss won't let him buy one, how will he get two?

Ash.J.Williams

Isambard wrote: »

his Boss won't let him buy one, how will he get two?

His boss needs to do what he’s told , health and safety polices trump gob****e tight boss relics from the past

Get a report from a tyre fitter in the tyre

CoBo55

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

His boss needs to do what he’s told , health and safety polices trump gob****e tight boss relics from the past

Get a report from a tyre fitter in the tyre

I think the idea of a boss is that you do what he tells you not the other way around. Faux outrage aside the most the op can do is record it on his driver's sheet.

Banana Republic 1

Rockfish wrote: »

Company van, wanted to get anew tire, Boss said no, its fine. Thread depth is juts below 3mm so legally ok but it looks very worn along the edges. is he being unreasonable?



https://ibb.co/NZKSFVR

No it’s not safe, the tyres are the only thing holding you on the road.

Ash.J.Williams

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

No it’s not safe, the tyres are the only thing holding you on the road.

Health and safety tells the boss what to do

CoBo55

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Health and safety tells the boss what to do

Which, by the letter of the law, this tyre passes. I wouldn't use it myself but I've been lucky with work vehicle owners, unfortunately the op hasn't.