Suspended sentence for causing brain injury

gmisk

Man (24) who caused pub-goer to sustain brain injury after one-punch attack given suspended sentence https://jrnl.ie/5363351

The judge... Martin Nolan....what a surprise

Thelonious Monk

Would it really do any good locking him up?

landofthetree

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Would it really do any good locking him up?

Yes.

It might make others think twice before throwing punches.

SuperSean11

Thugs from a rich background buying their way out of prison by the sounds of it

Thelonious Monk

landofthetree wrote: »

Yes.

It might make others think twice before throwing punches.

I really don't think it would

Thelonious Monk

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Would it really do any good locking him up?

Yes. That’s the nature of the justice system. Or should be.

Thelonious Monk

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I really don't think it would

You are wrong. A society without laws descends into barbarism.

Fiery mutant

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I really don't think it would

I thought the idea was to punish. Who gives a **** what good it does.

Samsonsmasher

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Would it really do any good locking him up?

What if you are his next victim? Will you feel the same?

Don't you think dangerous people should be locked away to protect civilized law abiding people for several years at least?

Thelonious Monk

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

What if you are his next victim? Will you feel the same?

I don't know, but locking people up isn't always the answer, that's all I'm saying, it can do more harm than good sometimes. If the man was genuinely remorseful for doing something like this and unlikely to do it again I'm not sure what should be appropriate.

Me_Grapes

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Would it really do any good locking him up?

Society (99% of the population) in general is put off from going around and punching people at will because of the consequences attached with such actions, i.e being locked up.

And as well, the chap deserves to be punished for his act.

Hangdogroad

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I don't know, but locking people up isn't always the answer, that's all I'm saying, it can do more harm than good sometimes. If the man was genuinely remorseful for doing something like this and unlikely to do it again I'm not sure what should be appropriate.

How do you know hes genuinely remorseful? It's very easy to say.

Thelonious Monk

Hangdogroad wrote: »

How do you know hes genuinely remorseful? It's very easy to say.

I don't know, but I guess that was up to the judge to decide.

Samsonsmasher

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I don't know, but locking people up isn't always the answer, that's all I'm saying, it can do more harm than good sometimes. If the man was genuinely remorseful for doing something like this and unlikely to do it again I'm not sure what should be appropriate.

Genuinely remorseful or not the same rules should apply anyone who assaults someone and csuses a brsin injury and the sentencing should be consistent regardless of who the judge is.
If you don't want jail time don't commit crime.

Montage of Feck

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You are wrong. A society without laws descends into barbarism.

Barbarism begins at home

beauf

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Would it really do any good locking him up?

I really thought you meant the Judge...

Your Face

Soft sentence
As the convicted man was being thrown out of the pub, he went back to assault the victim.
This was after the initial altercation.

poisonated

I think rehabilitation would be better than incarceration. An anger management course and community service and a suspended sentence. Prison should be used as a very last resort. I don’t want Ireland becoming a country where 1 in 50 people are locked up.

begbysback

The boards.ie lynch group are really clutching at straws with this one, no previous convictions, seems genuinely remorseful, willing to compensate, very unlikely to reoffend, and the real damage to the victim may have been as a result of a fall after the assault.

If ever there was a case for a suspended sentence then it seems this is it.

...Ghost...

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Would it really do any good locking him up?

Yes, it would. My Brother died in exactly the same type of stupid attack. Lock em up. Set an example.

thefa

begbysback wrote: »

The boards.ie lynch group are really clutching at straws with this one, no previous convictions, seems genuinely remorseful, willing to compensate, very unlikely to reoffend, and the real damage to the victim may have been as a result of a fall after the assault.

If ever there was a case for a suspended sentence then it seems this is it.

It’s not that basic at all. He was remorseful after they tracked him down. Left the scene after sucker punching the guy and leaving him unconscious.

No punch, no fall. Which impact caused the greater damage is irrelevant.

The J Stands for Jay

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Would it really do any good locking him up?

Nolan?

ianob7

Is anybody else sick of hearing that so and so wrote a lovely reference to submit to the judge. I don't think it matters if he was nice in that person's experience, what really matters is what happened in the course of the incident.

Poor ****er has no sense of smell now and at risk of seizures but sure wasn't your man that clattered him a grand footballer back in the day.

Judge: Say no more, suspended sentence.


Rant over

SlowBlowin

...Ghost... wrote: »

Yes, it would. My Brother died in exactly the same type of stupid attack. Lock em up. Set an example.

I agree.

My father was killed (stabbed in the stomach) by someone who a few years before had stabbed some one else. They were very remorseful, the first time, and escaped a prison sentence. For my fathers murder they were found guilty, sentenced to life, and were out in 10.

Families of the victim need to be considered too, trying to move on with your life is much more difficult when you feel the weight of injustice (soft sentence).

EDIT: Having now actually read the report, it was not as serious a injury as I assumed, but I still think the punishment was soft.

JJayoo

Suspended sentence but he should be paying compensation for the rest of his life.

poisonated

poisonated wrote: »

I think rehabilitation would be better than incarceration. An anger management course and community service and a suspended sentence. Prison should be used as a very last resort. I don’t want Ireland becoming a country where 1 in 50 people are locked up.

So better to leave criminals on the streets committing more crime? Sure as long as he's wiping a bit of graffiti off the walls in-between muggings, that's ok. Nah, anyone that's on their 10th strike should be taken out of society for societies safety.

And before anyone complains about the cost, factor in their free house, welfare, legal aid and the cost of constantly chasing them and bringing them to court. Prison is probable cheaper.

SlowBlowin wrote: »

I agree.

My father was killed (stabbed in the stomach) by someone who a few years before had stabbed some one else. They were very remorseful, the first time, and escaped a prison sentence. For my fathers murder they were found guilty, sentenced to life, and were out in 10.

Families of the victim need to be considered too, trying to move on with your life is much more difficult when you feel the weight of injustice (soft sentence).

EDIT: Having now actually read the report, it was not as serious a injury as I assumed, but I still think the punishment was soft.

My sympathies for your father. Life is 25 years, remission at 10 years is a very significant reduction, especially for a repeat offender. Was there some unusual circumstances? Like a terminal illness?

happyoutscan

SlowBlowin wrote: »

I agree.

My father was killed (stabbed in the stomach) by someone who a few years before had stabbed some one else. They were very remorseful, the first time, and escaped a prison sentence. For my fathers murder they were found guilty, sentenced to life, and were out in 10.

Families of the victim need to be considered too, trying to move on with your life is much more difficult when you feel the weight of injustice (soft sentence).

EDIT: Having now actually read the report, it was not as serious a injury as I assumed, but I still think the punishment was soft.

Jaysus. Sorry to hear that.

kildare lad

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I don't know, but locking people up isn't always the answer, that's all I'm saying, it can do more harm than good sometimes. If the man was genuinely remorseful for doing something like this and unlikely to do it again I'm not sure what should be appropriate.

I'm sure you'd have a different opinion if it was your son who'd gotten brain damage .

Thelonious Monk

kildare lad wrote: »

I'm sure you'd have a different opinion if it was your son who'd gotten brain damage .

I don't think so, this guy doesn't sound like a scumbag to me, I think most blokes have it in them to get in a row at least once in their lives or throw a punch they shouldn't have.
I just don't think locking him up would do any good, so I agree with the judge in this case.

suicide_circus

If only the victim had run out in front of a car in order to aquire his brain injury, he'd be a millionaire

Mike Murdock

begbysback wrote: »

The boards.ie lynch group are really clutching at straws with this one, no previous convictions, seems genuinely remorseful, willing to compensate, very unlikely to reoffend, and the real damage to the victim may have been as a result of a fall after the assault.

If ever there was a case for a suspended sentence then it seems this is it.

No previous convictions = Never caught before

very unlikely to reoffend = An assumption.

I hung out with a guy like this when I was in my late 20's. Would get tanked up and get aggressive with people. Looking for fights. Nicest guy in the world when sober, a demon when drunk. But always "remorseful" the next day.

Did it stop him getting tanked up and looking for fights the next time? No.

Maybe 6-12 months in the can would have forced him to change his behaviour.

...Ghost...

SlowBlowin wrote: »

I agree.

My father was killed (stabbed in the stomach) by someone who a few years before had stabbed some one else. They were very remorseful, the first time, and escaped a prison sentence. For my fathers murder they were found guilty, sentenced to life, and were out in 10.

Families of the victim need to be considered too, trying to move on with your life is much more difficult when you feel the weight of injustice (soft sentence).

EDIT: Having now actually read the report, it was not as serious a injury as I assumed, but I still think the punishment was soft.

Pattern forming here. The guy who sucker punched my Brother had done the same thing only a couple years previous and was let off the hook with no more than an assault charge. Had he been in prison after killing his first victim, my Brother would still be alive today.

SlowBlowin

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

My sympathies for your father. Life is 25 years, remission at 10 years is a very significant reduction, especially for a repeat offender. Was there some unusual circumstances? Like a terminal illness?

The murder happened in the UK, Dad was 72 at the time. The murderer was a 27 female, and had committed the previous stabbing in a Eastern block country. Case was heard in the high court in London. There was no terminal illness but she was technically his wife having married him earlier in the year (we knew nothing of this or the relationship). The case was very news worthy (old man/immigrant murderer/sex) and the tabloid newspapers were all over it so there is lots of information on the internet, the vast majority of which is tabloid nonsense. My sister got a call from the probation board a few years back and was asked what our family's opinion was to deporting her(murderer) from the UK at the end of her sentence, we said we would like her deported, next thing we knew she was released and deported.

yourdeadwright

This must have been premediated if he they had an altercation of sorts earlier,

The f*cker is about 7 stone wet and no doubt blindsided the victim ,

He should be sitting in a cell ,

Montage of Feck

Montage of Feck wrote: »

Barbarism begins at home

Deep, man. Deep.

Not sure of the relevance.

poisonated

poisonated wrote: »

I think rehabilitation would be better than incarceration. An anger management course and community service and a suspended sentence. Prison should be used as a very last resort. I don’t want Ireland becoming a country where 1 in 50 people are locked up.

And if some can’t be rehabilitated?

I’d support some rehabilitation if it worked and was part and parcel of incarceration. Which is the way Norway works as it happens. However there has to be a penalty for failure to rehabilitate. Nor can I see it working on mafia bosses or career criminals. It would work on entry level criminals perhaps.

Also in practice if a rapist is released to do a course on how not to rape there would be outrage. What if he rapes again.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

And if some can’t be rehabilitated?

I’d support some rehabilitation if it worked and was part and parcel of incarceration. Which is the way Norway works as it happens. However there has to be a penalty for failure to rehabilitate. Nor can I see it working on mafia bosses or career criminals. It would work on entry level criminals perhaps.

Also in practice if a rapist is released to do a course on how not to rape there would be outrage. What if he rapes again.

Despite opinions of the ignorant, prisoners have access to plenty of courses and study oppertunities in Ireland. Some do indeed take them up but the majority, shockingly dont bother.

You can obtain degrees, manual skills and various other non-certified skills in prison be it a language, painting or whatever. Prisons hire teachers and provide the facilities to study including online. they also allow prisons under certain conditions, temporary day release to attend study and work in person.

theres nothing other than their own inability and desires stopping career criminals from improving themselves. Yes, the convictions make employment more difficult but not impossible.

...Ghost...

SlowBlowin wrote: »

The murder happened in the UK.

Same here :eek:
London. Over 10 years ago now

Samsonsmasher

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And if some can’t be rehabilitated?

I’d support some rehabilitation if it worked and was part and parcel of incarceration. Which is the way Norway works as it happens. However there has to be a penalty for failure to rehabilitate. Nor can I see it working on mafia bosses or career criminals. It would work on entry level criminals perhaps.

Also in practice if a rapist is released to do a course on how not to rape there would be outrage. What if he rapes again.

Rehabilitation is a load of nonsense.

I don't care if you were a choir boy ran marathons to raise money for cripples have a Phd in pediatrics and you perform life saving surgery on Syrian orphans.
If you get drunk assault someone and give them brain damage you deserve a few years in jail.

If you don't want to go to prison don't commit offences

ThewhiteJesus

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Would it really do any good locking him up?

I agree, 20grand and a 4 year suspended sentence for one stupid drunken punch is enough , sorry for the victim though wrong place wrong time

Mike Murdock

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

I agree, 20grand and a 4 year suspended sentence for one stupid drunken punch is enough , sorry for the victim though wrong place wrong time

Premeditation means he should have served prison time.

ThewhiteJesus

Mike Murdock wrote: »

Premeditation means he should have served prison time.

are you a judge ?

political analyst

The Dáil has the constitutional authority to hold judges to account, i.e. impeachment. So why isn't the Dáil doing that with judges who constantly give unduly lenient sentences?

ThewhiteJesus

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

are you a judge ?

Neither you nor he are judges I assume, and yet you both opined.

Mike Murdock

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

are you a judge ?

Are you?

Dtp1979

I’d say scumbags hear that Martin Nolan is the judge, they’re delighted

Akesh

Martin Nolan needs to be removed. He makes a mockery of the criminal justice system.

SlowBlowin

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

I agree, 20grand and a 4 year suspended sentence for one stupid drunken punch is enough , sorry for the victim though wrong place wrong time

A monetary fine is a very very inefficient tool.

It means nothing at all to a wealthy family, and its a life sentence to a poor family - prison is prison. I was wild as a youngster, had my freedom taken away for a short time, and it worked.

Cienciano

I wonder if I punched a guy in the pub and he turned out to be another judge, would this judge in question be as lenient? A judge from Castleknock gets a punch from a guy from Clondalkin?

ThewhiteJesus

Mike Murdock wrote: »

Are you?

I'm not the one questioning a real judges ruling, you are.

ThewhiteJesus

Deleted User wrote: »

Neither you nor he are judges I assume, and yet you both opined.

have you an opinion or are you just making silly answers like you have throughout the thread ?
I wonder why your account is so new.
I guess like Mike, you know better than a seasoned judge.