Battery electric vehicle feasible for motorway driving?

Banana Republic 1

Lantus wrote: »

34k is for a ryanair model and the residual is probably a bit high as the op will be at a huge mileage.

Total cost must always be balanced with affordability.....

Not to argue your point but car dealers have been selling paddy Ryanair models for years that’s why people got cars from Britain and NI

slave1

lapua20grain wrote: »

Did you think of a phev? Gives you approx 50k range on a full battery with the generator to supplement on motorway, you get lower toll costs lower tax and you can as other posters have said charge it on a 3 pin plug, just another option you can look at.

No, after the alleged 50km range expires you will be driving around a heavy battery/inverter thereby eliminating any "savings"

slave1

latency89 wrote: »

Do EV's not need tyres?

40,000km+ year gonna need some

In 2026 after 5 years and 200,000km+ on the clock with no warranty, that car won't be worth €13,600 either imo

I'm 68k kms in our Leaf (FWD) and only now changing tyre number 3 and 4 (rears)

liamog

latency89 wrote: »

Do EV's not need tyres?

Pretty sure the poster is trying to compare TCO for costs that are different rather than the same. If I was comparing vehicle A and B, I wouldn't include the cost of windscreen fluid either, as they are not going to be materially different.

McGiver

Lumen wrote:

After 200k km? And you've assumed no options and no finance cost.

True. Let's add it. How much it should be?

latency89 wrote:

40,000km+ year gonna need some

True. But that's needed for the diesel too so it cancels each out. Zero sum. No difference.

latency89 wrote:

In 2026 after 5 years and 200,000km+ on the clock with no warranty, that car won't be worth €13,600 either imo

It was just an opening proposition. What do you suggest it should be?

McGiver

liamog wrote: »

Pretty sure the poster is trying to compare TCO for costs that are different rather than the same. If I was comparing vehicle A and B, I wouldn't include the cost of windscreen fluid either, as they are not going to be materially different.

Exactly my point. Zero sum. No difference.

wassie

Also the service cost of 700/pa is ultra conservative on a high miler diesel over 5 years. Factor in a timing belt replacement, injector failure, dpf issue etc and that cost rises pretty quickly.

I travel around the country via motorway weekly and loving the switch to EV from a 10yo oil burner with 230K km, especially when stuck in congestion and not having to wear my left knee out.

Total cost of ownership = priceless

latency89

wassie wrote: »

Also the service cost of 700/pa is ultra conservative on a high miler diesel over 5 years. Factor in a timing belt replacement, injector failure, dpf issue etc and that cost rises pretty quickly.

I travel around the country via motorway weekly and loving the switch to EV from a 10yo oil burner with 230K km, especially when stuck in congestion and not having to wear my left knee out.

Total cost of ownership = priceless

He has a mechanic friend, servicing a bit cheap because of.

Those costs are nothing anyway compared to replacing a high performance 150kW electric motor or a 60kWh battery pack, both over €8,000 each, or inverter, charge port etc.

OP is doing 40,000km+ a year

In less than 3 years only the battery will be under warranty, the drivetrain warranty is only 60,000 miles as far as i'm aware and up to 3rd year warranty is limited to 56,250 miles , first 2 are unlimied miles and the battery is covered to 70% degradation at 100,000 miles ( less than 4 years driving for OP ) his will degrade faster than average as he will be doing full cycles daily and charging to 100% everyday

In 3-4 years it might not even do that 220km in the cold, windy, rainy irish weather with climate control set to 25c @ 120 km/h

ID3 isn't up to it imo, too short warranty and range for that journey long term over 5 years ( 55kWh useable )

Something like a Kona 64kWh is needed imo

Hyundai 5 year unlimited milage warranty needed for peace of mind too

latency89

McGiver wrote: »

It was just an opening proposition. What do you suggest it should be?

In 2026 and 5 years old with no warranty, 200k+ on the clock and 80% SOH

Less than €10,000

I see alot more progress being made from 2021-2026 than 2015-2020

ID3 1st gen will feel older than 30kWh Leaf is now imo

latency89

liamog wrote: »

Pretty sure the poster is trying to compare TCO for costs that are different rather than the same. If I was comparing vehicle A and B, I wouldn't include the cost of windscreen fluid either, as they are not going to be materially different.

ID3 has fancy tyres, 18-19" rims and 204bhp RWD

Be more than a run of the mill diesel anyway

User1998

McGiver wrote: »

Diesel cost
Upfront cost (2nd hand) - 10000

Fuel - 2700 pa
Service - 700 pa
Tolls - 680 pa
Tax - 270 pa
Total - 4350 pa
Total 5 years - 1000 + 4350 * 5 = 31750

Residual value (0%) - 0

Total cost of ownership = 31750

On what planet would a diesel car with high mileage be worth €0? Any decent high mileage diesel with cheap tax and an NCT is worth €2k+ all day.

McGiver

latency89 wrote:

In 2026 and 5 years old with no warranty, 200k+ on the clock and 80% SOH
Less than €10,000

That's not realistic. The battery pack will be worth at least 7k. Don't tell me that mechanically sound car will be worth only 3k. And you bet it will be mechanically sound as it's an EV.

5 year old leaf 24 kWh 2nd gen goes for around 10k.
Albeit with lower mileage. But that's with a less than half size battery pack and none of the tech ID3 has. With a usable <100km range (less motorway range) and a primitive BMS. Usability of ID3 will be significantly higher than this,even after 5 years. The mileage matters little if SOH is good enough. Mileage matters for ICE.

McGiver

User1998 wrote:

On what planet would a diesel car with high mileage be worth €0? Any decent high mileage diesel with cheap tax and an NCT is worth €2k+ all day.

If the diesel is 10k second hand, what's its mileage and age ? Add to it 200k kms and 5 years age wise and you're approaching very low equity. I'm OK to add 2k to my calculation if that's the consensus.

ICE depreciates to zero. EV doesn't (because battery pack has intrinsic value).

Cheap tax? I think those days will be over soon.

McGiver

wassie wrote:

Also the service cost of 700/pa is ultra conservative on a high miler diesel over 5 years. Factor in a timing belt replacement, injector failure, dpf issue etc and that cost rises pretty quickly.

What do you estimate? Let's factor that in for the sake of completeness.

Jofspring

I just got €6.5k for a 2.0 Diesel that's 11 years old with 190k on the clock so an older diesel wouldn't be worth €0.

I got a leaf by the way. Ideal for me as a starter in electric and I have a short enough trip to work plus a second car in the household. If I had a long range trip to make everyday I would definitely have stuck with the diesel though.

Banana Republic 1

User1998 wrote: »

On what planet would a diesel car with high mileage be worth €0? Any decent high mileage diesel with cheap tax and an NCT is worth €2k+ all day.

Currently but nobody will want them in the years to come.

latency89

McGiver wrote: »

That's not realistic. The battery pack will be worth at least 7k. Don't tell me that mechanically sound car will be worth only 3k. And you bet it will be mechanically sound as it's an EV.

5 year old leaf 24 kWh 2nd gen goes for around 10k.
Albeit with lower mileage. But that's with a less than half size battery pack and none of the tech ID3 has. With a usable <100km range (less motorway range) and a primitive BMS. Usability of ID3 will be significantly higher than this,even after 5 years. The mileage matters little if SOH is good enough. Mileage matters for ICE.

Your betting on zero progress

A 60kWh battery could be €3,000 in 2026, I personally think massive progress will be made with battery tech in the next 5 years, much more than previous 5 years.

A 1st gen ID3 today will feel everybit as old as a 24kWh Leaf in 2026 imo.

Mileage matters for all today's EV's, the batteries and drive train's are not at that level yet to do 500,000km with little maintenance as your alluding to, they will be at that level but, I've not seen any EV's at that level yet.

Lantus

Car manufacturers will be very aware of what cars that last 500k or more will do to their business. will they design for that intentionally??

My lg tv from 8 years ago will likely last another 8. Except it won't support new apps like disney so it's forced obsoletion.

latency89

Lantus wrote: »

Car manufacturers will be very aware of what cars that last 500k or more will do to their business. will they design for that intentionally??
.

I have my doubts too on that, especially the German and French stuff

Viewpoint on here is EV's are bulletproof and all made equally and will last forever, I personally think that's not true and only certain EV's like the Korean's might be some of that.

KCross

latency89 wrote: »

Viewpoint on here is EV's are bulletproof and all made equally and will last forever, I personally think that's not true and only certain EV's like the Korean's might be some of that.

I dont know about "forever" but they need/have to last as long as ICE and that average is about 13 years I think. Time will tell but no reason why they cant last that long. We are only 10 years in so far, but looks OK from what I can tell.

Electric motors are not a new invention and well understood from a lifepspan perspective. Apart from the batteries the rest of the car is much the same as ICE... the batteries are the unknown/worry... the long term idea would be that the batteries can be reconditioned by indy's like an engine can but again, time will tell on that.

McGiver

latency89 wrote:

A 60kWh battery could be €3,000 in 2026, I personally think massive progress will be made with battery tech in the next 5 years, much more than previous 5 years.

I don't think so. Actually progress is slowing down and costs aren't decreasing that rapidly anymore. There's no indication of any battery tech progress. Bar solid-state li-ion which will take a while until commercialisation and cost parity with current tech.

latency89 wrote:

A 1st gen ID3 today will feel everybit as old as a 24kWh Leaf in 2026 imo.

Don't agree. Battery packs will stabilise at 60 kWh or so. Id3 has 57 kWh.

latency89 wrote:

Mileage matters for all today's EV's, the batteries and drive train's are not at that level yet to do 500,000km with little maintenance as your alluding to, they will be at that level but, I've not seen any EV's at that level yet.

We're talking 200k. Not 500k.
There's plenty indication that 200k is fine.

slave1

Mate has Leaf24 that crossed the 240k (commuter) before Covid (haven’t bumped into him since.
Since day 1 all he’s replaced is tyres, no AC/fluid/service of any description and car never given any issue of any description.

latency89

McGiver wrote: »

I don't think so. Actually progress is slowing down and costs aren't decreasing that rapidly anymore. There's no indication of any battery tech progress. Bar solid-state li-ion which will take a while until commercialisation and cost parity with current tech.


Don't agree. Battery packs will stabilise at 60 kWh or so. Id3 has 57 kWh.


We're talking 200k. Not 500k.
There's plenty indication that 200k is fine.

No offence but I don't think your keeping up with battery tech development

Battery in that VW is supposedly NCM622/712, which is over €100 per kWh, VW and the whole industry is moving towards LFP/LFMP for low ends EVs which is supposedly €60 per kWh ( today )

No battery with Cobalt will be production in 2026 for mass market, it's gone.

VW owns a majority share in Guoxuan who has the highest density LFP cells in the world on par with NCM523

Battery tech is moving fast, insane money is being thrown at it.

Packs will stabilise at 80/100kWh for family cars like ID3 imo, we are talking 2026? Your talking like Bill Gates with 640kb ram is enough lol

200k km is nothing, every car can do that, 500k km is progress

latency89

slave1 wrote: »

Mate has Leaf24 that crossed the 240k (commuter) before Covid (haven’t bumped into him since.
Since day 1 all he’s replaced is tyres, no AC/fluid/service of any description and car never given any issue of any description.

Leaf is well made alright

Would not be surprised to see them or Korean stuff get to 500k

Again 240k is nothing, 1.9 tdi's all over Europe are on 400k+ with basic servicing.

Lantus

latency89 wrote: »

Leaf is well made alright

Would not be surprised to see them or Korean stuff get to 500k

Again 240k is nothing, 1.9 tdi's all over Europe are on 400k+ with basic servicing.

Average car age in europe is 11.5 years and at 15 to 20k a year that's around 200k mileage which is really an end of life mileage. There are very few cars on done deal pushing 200k.

If all evs do 500k the car industry will sell two and half times less cars which is a monumental change and likely many manufacturers simply won't exist anymore.

latency89

Lantus wrote: »

Average car age in europe is 11.5 years and at 15 to 20k a year that's around 200k mileage which is really an end of life mileage. There are very few cars on done deal pushing 200k.

If all evs do 500k the car industry will sell two and half times less cars which is a monumental change and likely many manufacturers simply won't exist anymore.

300k miles/500k km should be standard for any decent car imo

If EVs can't do that they are a fail, aren't they supposed to last longer too for environmental reasons, sustainability and all that

200k km is nothing, has to be loads of diesels on donedeal with that?

Mine has 440k km

Lantus

latency89 wrote: »

300k miles/500k km should be standard for any decent car imo

200k km is nothing, has to be loads of diesels on donedeal with that?

Mine has 440k km

Car zone currently has 40,000 listed and lists 25 with more than 200k mileage. Just 0.06%. there are not loads. But it could be they will never be sold.

latency89

McGiver wrote: »

What do you estimate? Let's factor that in for the sake of completeness.

ICE seems about right barring a major disaster

€120 a year for 5 years over 200k+ km doesn't seem right for a VW anyway

ID3 still has suspension, bushings, brakes, steering racks, sensors, electric windows, boot hinges and a thousand other things that can need maintenance and it's out of warranty for a long time in that 200k km

It's not a tank that runs over everything for 200k km with no issues?

Tesla thread with high milage S's have plenty bit things going wrong

Even the Leaf has some suspension issue in early models that costs a bit to sort and it's a tank of car imo

latency89

Lantus wrote: »

Car zone currently has 40,000 listed and lists 25 with more than 200k mileage. Just 0.06%. there are not loads. But it could be they will never be sold.

Is that km?

I'm shocked tbh, people scrapping perfectly good cars then

Where did they go if not scrapped, overseas

In Eastern countries 200k km is normal

Jofspring

latency89 wrote: »

Is that km?

I'm shocked tbh, people scrapping perfectly good cars then

Where did they go if not scrapped, overseas

In Eastern countries 200k km is normal

Must mean miles because there are 1,278 cars over 200k km

I suppose living in such a small country it means there aren't that many cars with high mileage and a lot of people won't buy a high mileage car because it's easy to get a low mileage one.

The size of our country and our weather also a good reason why electrics should really start to take off. We won't actually need 1,000km range cars so 400-500km cars should hold their value well.

If you had a 1,000km range car you'd probably have people complaining that it takes ages to charge.

Banana Republic 1

latency89 wrote: »

ICE seems about right barring a major disaster

€120 a year for 5 years over 200k+ km doesn't seem right for a VW anyway

ID3 still has suspension, bushings, brakes, steering racks, sensors, electric windows, boot hinges and a thousand other things that can need maintenance and it's out of warranty for a long time in that 200k km

It's not a tank that runs over everything for 200k km with no issues?

Tesla thread with high milage S's have plenty bit things going wrong

Even the Leaf has some suspension issue in early models that costs a bit to sort and it's a tank of car imo

Also Tesla’s have a build quality issues that few mention.

AndyBoBandy

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Also Tesla’s have a build quality issues that few mention.

Indeed,

And lots of owners have reported such issues, but equally, there are a lot of owners who have had no such issues...

Jofspring

I'd love a Tesla but would spend half my time afraid of my life of damaging it due to repair costs and times.

latency89

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Indeed,

And lots of owners have reported such issues, but equally, there are a lot of owners who have had no such issues...

They get away with things others wouldn't, bit like Apple, insane brand appeal

I was reading ELM's situation, he was really mad saying he'd never buy a Tesla again, but a bit of flirting from Tesla and he's back onboard, happy out

blackbox

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Regenerative braking is also a factor with EVs. What I don’t know is if this is factored in to the lilacs guide manufacturers give.

No regen when driving on motorway.

AndyBoBandy

latency89 wrote: »

They get away with things others wouldn't, bit like Apple, insane brand appeal

I was reading ELM's situation, he was really mad saying he'd never buy a Tesla again, but a bit of flirting from Tesla and he's back onboard, happy out

He also just got the MCU upgrade, and loves his car again, so perhaps all is forgiven....?

latency89

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

He also just got the MCU upgrade, and loves his car again, so perhaps all is forgiven....?

Seems to be

They done right by him anyway, nice loaners, traveling in style, he can't complain lol

Akrasia

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Currently but nobody will want them in the years to come.

Congestion charges and outright bans in major urban centers will kill ICE resale values

The ‘go anywhere’ logic of ICE falls apart when you can only drive into Paris or London every 2nd day in an ICE vehicle due to the pollution they cause

If I was in the market for a new car today, I wouldn’t touch an ICE with a 10 foot pole and would go for a used EV over a new ICE

Kramer

Akrasia wrote: »

Congestion charges and outright bans in major urban centers will kill ICE resale values

What about PHEVs? One of their main benefits is they can run exclusively in EV mode in urban/congestion zones, just like BEVs.
Many new "regular" type cars, the Skoda Octavia etc. can manage 50km+ in EV mode & fire up the ICE for long, interurban autobahn spins.

McGiver

latency89 wrote:

No offence but I don't think your keeping up with battery tech development

I am. And I studied organic chemistry at the University BTW. Graduated and work in another field but I understand chemistry and electrochemistry better than most. Also interested in battery tech.

latency89 wrote:

Battery in that VW is supposedly NCM622/712, which is over €100 per kWh, VW and the whole industry is moving towards LFP/LFMP for low ends EVs which is supposedly €60 per kWh ( today )

This is blatantly untrue. LFP is not the place where it's going at all. LFP is used only in China because it's cheaper. The rest of the world is moving to NMA or NMCA.

latency89 wrote:

No battery with Cobalt will be production in 2026 for mass market, it's gone.

What do you mean? Cobalt will stay for a while. Then NMCA and then NMA.

latency89 wrote:

VW owns a majority share in Guoxuan who has the highest density LFP cells in the world on par with NCM523

As above that's only for the Chinese market.
VW also owns QuantumScape which isn't LFP.

latency89 wrote:

Battery tech is moving fast, insane money is being thrown at it.

Yes and no. Gains are modest. If you expect doubling of the capacity like we've seen with L30 vs ID3 in 5 years again then that's not happening.

latency89 wrote:

Packs will stabilise at 80/100kWh for family cars like ID3 imo, we are talking 2026? Your talking like Bill Gates with 640kb ram is enough lol

I foresee 60 kWh super fast charging pack vs 80 kWh not so fast charging pack type of choice (same price of packs). Weight also makes difference.

liamog

Personally I don't think 2021 is the year that battery prices plateau, we're still seeing a lot of innovation in the areas of packaging, chemistry and manufacturing techniques.
I also don't think 60kWh is a big enough battery to deliver fast enough mid journey charging. I think standard sizes will continue to increase for at lease one more round, but the driver will be the ability to use higher power chargers rather than add range.

Battery prices stubbornly refuse to stop going down in price, and cell energy density stubbornly keeps going up. We often off here of "the next big thing" in battery technology which people almost always dismiss as I'll believe it when I see it, they end up missing the steady rate of improvement that happens as the research is integrated into the next iteration of the production line.

Arthur Daley

Petrol and Diesel are still 71% of the market in Ireland in 2021.

Pure Electric is still only 4%

JimmyKane

Hi guys, OP here again. Thanks for all the replies, its been a great help in researching and learning about EVs.

I think the main realisations are:

1) I need a range greater than my return commute so that I have a little extra in the event of a detour etc and also so that I'm not running the battery from 100% down to near zero every day. I also don't want to fork out for a car with lots of nice modern features (eg heated seats, air con, adaptive cruise control etc) which I'd end up having to turn off to try and extend the range.

2) A budget of €20k will not get me an EV that can do the 220km return journey comfortably and still have something in the tank. I'll have to up the amount I'm willing to spend or stick to diesel for another few years.

So considering my initial underestimation by about €1k per year of savings involved in changing to EV my revised budget should be about €25k if I was to get 5 years out of it, perhaps €30k if I was to drive it for 6 or 7 years. I also underestimated it's resale value. That's up for debate I can see but it's probably not unreasonable to say an EV with 200,000km on the clock may still retain 10 - 15% of its value. Only time will tell.

At the moment the longer range and reasonably priced EVs seem to be the Kona, eNiro, eSoul and ID3. Best case scenario would be to pick up one of the above for €30k which is stretching my budget but I haven't ruled it out entirely. The Kona interests me the most from the above and I see plenty of them on carzone starting at 30k for 2018 and 2019 models. Am.i right in saying all Kona's in Ireland are the 64kwh version? After that is there must difference in spec or did I hear they are all the one standard spec?

KCross

JimmyKane wrote: »

I also don't want to fork out for a car with lots of nice modern features (eg heated seats, air con, adaptive cruise control etc) which I'd end up having to turn off to try and extend the range.

I don’t know where you got that info but it’s wrong. None of those will noticeably affect range.

The big hitters for sapping range are wet roads, high speed and heating the cabin.

Heated seats use very little energy so you should get an EV with that, so quite the opposite to what you said.

latency89

McGiver wrote: »

I am. And I studied organic chemistry at the University BTW. Graduated and work in another field but I understand chemistry and electrochemistry better than most. Also interested in battery tech.


This is blatantly untrue. LFP is not the place where it's going at all. LFP is used only in China because it's cheaper. The rest of the world is moving to NMA or NMCA.


What do you mean? Cobalt will stay for a while. Then NMCA and then NMA.


As above that's only for the Chinese market.
VW also owns QuantumScape which isn't LFP.


Yes and no. Gains are modest. If you expect doubling of the capacity like we've seen with L30 vs ID3 in 5 years again then that's not happening.


I foresee 60 kWh super fast charging pack vs 80 kWh not so fast charging pack type of choice (same price of packs). Weight also makes difference.

I studied science in NUIG, doesn't make me a scientist lol ;-)

Cobalt is not going to be in any cheap mass market EV, that i'd put my house on, it might be in exotic stuff, but cheap stuff like ID3 etc in 2026 not a chance, Nickel as well won't be in them.Nickel is mad expensive

I'd agree with Kcross, 80kWh minimum, I'd go 100kWh for ID3 €35,000 cars

By 2026 or not long after batteries without nickel, cobalt will be €30 per kWh, €3000 for 100kWh

Lol at the Chinese comment on LFP btw, likes of CATL will supply LFP to all the automakers in years to come

Musk is raving about LFP Model 3

This week Renault CEO said they are going with LFP from 2023 for its new platform.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/newsabc.net/cobalt-free-batteries-to-lower-the-price-of-the-electric-renault-5/amp/

Buddy Bubs

Lantus wrote: »

Car zone currently has 40,000 listed and lists 25 with more than 200k mileage. Just 0.06%. there are not loads. But it could be they will never be sold.

Donedeal has 9,716 cars over 200k kms at this very minute. That doesn't include cars with 250,000 that are put in as 250 and it doesn't count clocked cars of course. There's loads of 200k + cars out there, it's only 125k miles, it's nothing if a car was looked after.
Carzone is the higher end of market.

wassie

KCross wrote: »

I don’t know where you got that info but it’s wrong. None of those will noticeably affect range.

The big hitters for sapping range are wet roads, high speed and heating the cabin.

Heated seats use very little energy so you should get an EV with that, so quite the opposite to what you said.

This ^

Tyre choice is probably the most important consideration as you have to consider efficiency, durability, noise, safety & comfort. My view would be to forget the 'eco tyres' that have lower rolling resistance. The small gain in range these tyres offer comes at the cost of handling. They are useless in the wet, which for me is a big consideration as I do a lot of high speed motorway driving.

JimmyKane

OP here again. Just an update for anyone else in a similar situation who might reading this thread in the future.

I ended up buying a 2019 Hyundai Kona EV for 30k (including 2k trade-in of my diesel). It has no problem doing my 220k round trip motorway commute. I charge the battery to 90% overnight, it uses about 35% battery life to get me to work and another 35% to get me home leaving me with about 20% left. That's driving the way I always have, cruise control at 120km/h, heating on etc and in outside temperature of between 5 and 10 degrees depending on the time of day.

So Kona is definitely up to the job. Looking back, the only real options for me were longer range EVs such as Kona, eNiro, eSoul, ID3/4 or Tesla. Kona being the most affordable option. As for the talk on this forum about the Kona being underspecced or being full of "cheap feeling plastic" inside, I have to disagree. I took one for a test drive and loved it. Don't get the cheap plastics comments at all. Maybe that's the grey/blue interior. I went for black.

As for other spec, I feel spoilt! Maybe it because I'm coming from a 12 year old car but to me the Kona is bursting with features; Leather heated steering wheel & seats, lumbar support, cabin preheating, auto dip headlights, automatic wipers, wireless phone charing pad, cruise control, lane keeping assist, keyless entry and start, tinted rear windows, Android auto - what more do people want! There's no car that has it all, certainly not at a price most of us can afford! But the above is leaving me feeling like a kid at Christmas!

liamog

Nice review, glad it's working out for you.

irishgrover

JimmyKane wrote: »

OP here again. Just an update for anyone else in a similar situation who might reading this thread in the future.....

Great news that it has worked out for you. Many years happy and safe EV driving