Cheltenham Festival Handicaps/plots 2021

The Mig

New thread for 2021

RivetingRoger

Call me mad.... But... I have a feeling The Bosses Oscar might get a mention here.....

Slattsy

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Call me mad.... But... I have a feeling The Bosses Oscar might get a mention here.....

Hardly a plot.

Gavin "shels"

Can't beat the Cheltenham Handicaps!

redzerdrog

Not really left field but really fancy Wide Reciever for the Martin pipe

Could go coral cup but I think Martin Pipe must likely

Labaik

There was 2 out for a spin the weekend for Mullins, not even hiding the fact they werent trying. Buildmeupbuttercup (non tryer the last 2 runs) and Uradel. Dont know how they got away with the ride on Buildmeupbuttercup the weekend blatant stuff.

Motivator

Labaik wrote: »

There was 2 out for a spin the weekend for Mullins, not even hiding the fact they werent trying. Buildmeupbuttercup (non tryer the last 2 runs) and Uradel. Dont know how they got away with the ride on Buildmeupbuttercup the weekend blatant stuff.

Interesting that the handicapper didn’t touch her mark after finishing 16th beaten 35+ lengths. Still rated 145 and will probably get a few lbs before she gets on the boat. Punchestown possibly the main target for her?

Labaik

Motivator wrote: »

Interesting that the handicapper didn’t touch her mark after finishing 16th beaten 35+ lengths. Still rated 145 and will probably get a few lbs before she gets on the boat. Punchestown possibly the main target for her?

Looked all over the winner in the Coral Cup last year, cantered up jumping the last but didnt find much off the bridle, I think she would have improved this year so be interesting if she went Chelt again especially off 145

RivetingRoger

Slattsy wrote: »

Hardly a plot.

Where did I say it was a plot?
Have another look at the thread title there......

Pogue eile

I reckon Nicholls has been having it away with Solo, has been pulled from next weekends betfair which means either has met a set back or wins the County Hurlde by 10 lenghts

RivetingRoger

Grand Annual looks impossible!
I have a sneak for Mengli but that might just be a bit of personal bias. I have a grá for the horse. Entoucas could be the one tho. Ran well at the weekend. Good solid horse

Plasandrunt

Hoping that La Richbourg gets dropped a few pounds for a possible tilt at the Grand Annual

NaiveMelodies

Pogue eile wrote: »

I reckon Nicholls has been having it away with Solo, has been pulled from next weekends betfair which means either has met a set back or wins the County Hurlde by 10 lenghts

Nicholls wouldn't be pulling a horse he thought was well handicapped from the Betfair to keep him away from the handicapper until the County. Not how he operates.

Solo isn't even in the County Hurdle market as far as I can see. Very easy to request a price if you do fancy him for it.

Pogue eile

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

Nicholls wouldn't be pulling a horse he thought was well handicapped from the Betfair to keep him away from the handicapper until the County. Not how he operates.

Agreed, thats why I am worried that something may be amiss with him

Motivator

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

Nicholls wouldn't be pulling a horse he thought was well handicapped from the Betfair to keep him away from the handicapper until the County. Not how he operates.

Solo isn't even in the County Hurdle market as far as I can see. Very easy to request a price if you do fancy him for it.

Nicholls hasn’t had a winner over hurdles at the Festival since 2016. Kauto Star in 2009 was also his last winner over fences before Dodging Bullets won the Champion Chase in 2015. He’s due a winner over hurdles this year by the looks of it!

Pogue eile

Motivator wrote: »

Nicholls hasn’t had a winner over hurdles at the Festival since 2016. Kauto Star in 2009 was also his last winner over fences before Dodging Bullets won the Champion Chase in 2015. He’s due a winner over hurdles this year by the looks of it!

The Ballymore is the one

akelly02

Pogue eile wrote: »

I reckon Nicholls has been having it away with Solo, has been pulled from next weekends betfair which means either has met a set back or wins the County Hurlde by 10 lenghts

that horse is a hound

avoid!

Kauto

Labaik wrote: »

Looked all over the winner in the Coral Cup last year, cantered up jumping the last but didnt find much off the bridle, I think she would have improved this year so be interesting if she went Chelt again especially off 145

It was the county hurdle she ran in. Certainly no plot anyways. Could make a case that she is well treated on Flat form.

Kauto

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Call me mad.... But... I have a feeling The Bosses Oscar might get a mention here.....

Furthest thing from a 'plot' you could get. Far too consistent a horse who runs his race the majority of the time.

IAMAMORON

When are the weights and entries getting published?

RivetingRoger

Kauto wrote: »

Furthest thing from a 'plot' you could get. Far too consistent a horse who runs his race the majority of the time.

Once again.... Never said it was....

The thread is handicaps / Plots

Not Handicap Plots

redzerdrog

Anyone like Mrs Milner for the pertemps?

Kauto

redzerdrog wrote: »

Anyone like Mrs Milner for the pertemps?

No chance

Pogue eile

Kauto wrote: »

It was the county hurdle she ran in. Certainly no plot anyways.

Kauto wrote: »

Furthest thing from a 'plot' you could get.

Kauto wrote: »

No chance

You're a real breath of fresh air aren't you!

Any pearls of wisdom you would like to share with us mere minions or is it just dismissing others opinions is your forté?

Pogue eile

IAMAMORON wrote: »

When are the weights and entries getting published?

22nd February I think, its definitely the end of February, from recollection I think it is usually Monday week after the Betfair, it that makes sense! As in 9 days after the Betfair.

Pogue eile

akelly02 wrote: »

that horse is a hound

avoid!

You are most probably right, but I do love a good cliff horse!

Cognisant of the fact that his original mark was very high and seemed to be given taking into account the regard Nicholls held the horse in, he has gotten him down to a mark 16lbs lower, I wont back him in advance but if there is even a hint of blue on the day I will be jumping in for one more mug bet

Slattsy

Any decent stats on Nicholls handicap winners over the last 5-10 years or so, I'd be interested to how it shaped up.

Pogue eile

Slattsy wrote: »

Any decent stats on Nicholls handicap winners over the last 5-10 years or so, I'd be interested to how it shaped up.

At the festival or in general?

At the festival Nicholls has trained 45 festival winners, 14 of those in handicaps with 5 handicap winners between 2015-2020

Pogue eile

Pogue eile wrote: »

22nd February I think, its definitely the end of February, from recollection I think it is usually Monday week after the Betfair, it that makes sense! As in 9 days after the Betfair.

I was nearly right, story of my equine life! Entries and weights are out Thursday 18th February.

Slattsy

Pogue eile wrote: »

At the festival or in general?

At the festival Nicholls has trained 45 festival winners, 14 of those in handicaps with 5 handicap winners between 2015-2020

A few Grand Annual winners and Coral Cup was all I could think off top of my head. Can't think of names. One was definitely a JP horse though.

The Mig

He’s had 2 grand annual winners in the last 5 runnings. Le Prezien and Solar Impulse

Slattsy

That's the one.

Motivator

Slattsy wrote: »

A few Grand Annual winners and Coral Cup was all I could think off top of my head. Can't think of names. One was definitely a JP horse though.

I looked at it last night, he hasn’t won a hurdles race since the County Hurdle in 2016. He’s won at least one Chase for the last 4 years. Another interesting one is the Champion Chase Dodging Bullets won was his first Festival winner over fences since Kauto won the Gold Cup in 2009.

Pogue eile

Motivator wrote: »

I looked at it last night, he hasn’t won a hurdles race since the County Hurdle in 2016. He’s won at least one Chase for the last 4 years. Another interesting one is the Champion Chase Dodging Bullets won was his first Festival winner over fences since Kauto won the Gold Cup in 2009.

It was the Fred Winter that he won in 2016, Skeltons won the 2016 County.

Motivator

Pogue eile wrote: »

It was the Fred Winter that he won in 2016, Skeltons won the 2016 County.

You’re correct, my mistake. He won the Martin Pipe on the Friday so that was his last winner over hurdles. I was shocked reading that last night I thought he won a hurdles race a lot more recent than that.

Pogue eile

Motivator wrote: »

You’re correct, my mistake. He won the Martin Pipe on the Friday so that was his last winner over hurdles. I was shocked reading that last night I thought he won a hurdles race a lot more recent than that.

I think recently and Im not sure if it has been dictated by the horses he has at his disposal or simply a change in objectives he has definitely put far more emphasis on the trainers title than Cheltenham.

Has a weak enough team again this year at first glance, the only two I would be keen on are Bravemansgame and Shantou Flyer in the Foxhunters, maybe Next Destination and after that its only really the handicaps.

Lloyderz

Motivator wrote: »

You’re correct, my mistake. He won the Martin Pipe on the Friday so that was his last winner over hurdles. I was shocked reading that last night I thought he won a hurdles race a lot more recent than that.

Salubrious was the name of the horse. Backed him at 25s! Bolted in. 2013 Cheltenham festival. My biggest priced winner.

Watching back the DRF i thought Galopin Des Champs for Willie could be one for the County. Was right there in 3rd place coming to the final flight but just faded away.

RivetingRoger

Pogue eile wrote: »

I think recently and Im not sure if it has been dictated by the horses he has at his disposal or simply a change in objectives he has definitely put far more emphasis on the trainers title than Cheltenham.

Has a weak enough team again this year at first glance, the only two I would be keen on are Bravemansgame and Shantou Flyer in the Foxhunters, maybe Next Destination and after that its only really the handicaps.

I still like Hazel Hill for the foxhunters
That was very good LTO, it needed to be tho.
This is a quality horse. Age is a worry

stretchaq

Have small fancy for us and them in the grand annual if he turns up fancied him last year too but I think ground was against him

Motivator

stretchaq wrote: »

Have small fancy for us and them in the grand annual if he turns up fancied him last year too but I think ground was against him

Finished second in a poor enough Arkle but stayed on up the hill well that day. Thought his run last year was very good to be fair but he’s a frustrating horse, the epitome of a bridesmaid. Wouldn’t put you off him though, haven’t checked but I’d say he’s a fair price.

The Mig

Handicap weights are out tomorrow

Slattsy

You could argue whomever posted the picture of Gordon was a Cheltenham plot!

Hawkhead70

Dalton Highway ran a nice race having been upped in trip in the pertemps qualifier at punchestown today. 33’s still available

Labaik

Keep an eye out for Call Me Lord if he runs in the Coral Cup. Will have an outstanding chance running off a high 140s mark.

Slattsy

Hawkhead70 wrote: »

Dalton Highway ran a nice race having been upped in trip in the pertemps qualifier at punchestown today. 33’s still available

Thought it was a good trial myself.

NaiveMelodies

What time will we see the weights at?

StevieNick

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

What time will we see the weights at?

About 3pm

Gavin "shels"

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

What time will we see the weights at?

12.30 tomorrow supposedly.

Slattsy

I was informed they were out today... You just can't get the staff.

Gavin "shels"

Slattsy wrote: »

I was informed they were out today... You just can't get the staff.

Spreading lies Slatts! :pac:

Slattsy

Gavin shels wrote: »

Spreading lies Slatts! :pac:

I speak the trood.