Building a garden wall (price)

Pinoy adventure

Hi all
I'm looking too build a garden wall out the back on a terrace house in Dublin.
Height would be 4-5 feet tall
Length would be 80 feet long
We would like too have the wall capped.

Roughly what price would cover this ?
How deep/wide would foundation need too be on the wall ?
Would the foundation need steal inside ?
Would 4inch,6inch solids or cavity blocks be best suited for it ?
And how many pillars would be needed for the length if any ?

Any info would be great.
Thanks

I can't give you a real answer, but i can give you a vague, roundabout kind of answer. But hopefully someone else will pop in, in afterwards with a better idea!


I extended my house about 3 years ago. To make access easier, we knocked the back wall between myself and my neighbours house. When the extension was done, i got the garden renovated, and re-building the wall was part of that.

Because it was done as part of a larger job, i can't give a precise price. The new wall is about 6.5ft tall, is made with 9" cavity blocks, wasn't rendered, has one pillar, and is about 33-35ft long. I estimate the cost to rebuild, materials and labour, was about €600. We didn't cap it, but capping worked out at about €250 + labour (labour for me was €200 a day).


Probably not much use to you, but hopefully it'll give an idea.

Pinoy adventure

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I can't give you a real answer, but i can give you a vague, roundabout kind of answer. But hopefully someone else will pop in, in afterwards with a better idea!


I extended my house about 3 years ago. To make access easier, we knocked the back wall between myself and my neighbours house. When the extension was done, i got the garden renovated, and re-building the wall was part of that.

Because it was done as part of a larger job, i can't give a precise price. The new wall is about 6.5ft tall, is made with 9" cavity blocks, wasn't rendered, has one pillar, and is about 33-35ft long. I estimate the cost to rebuild, materials and labour, was about €600. We didn't cap it, but capping worked out at about €250 + labour (labour for me was €200 a day).


Probably not much use to you, but hopefully it'll give an idea.

€600 is an excellent price for materials & labor.did you do any of the work yourself ?
The 9 inch cavitys are coming in around €1.50-€2 a peice delivered so we are looking at over €600 just in blocks alone

Pinoy adventure

Pinoy adventure wrote: »

€600 is an excellent price for materials & labor.did you do any of the work yourself ?
The 9 inch cavitys are coming in around €1.50-€2 a peice delivered so we are looking at over €600 just in blocks alone

Well as I say, they were working on the garden anyway, at the time. So I just worked out how much I paid on labour, how much time they spent at it and such.

I was paying 200 a day, per man (2 men). One fella did 90% of the work, and he spent two days at it. So I guessed that materials were somewhat in and around the 200 cost. Although I did build an extension, so its possible we got a deal on blocks as we bought a lot of stuff from the same place.

So maybe my price is optimistic, but it is just, as I say, to throw a rough guide at you.

bfclancy

its a terraced house so is access through the house or via a back lane, this will affect cost significantly.
concrete foundation roughly 300mm wide by 300mm deep by 25m long, allow for piers so close to 3m. i'd imagine close to 400 euro delivered.
blocks, 4 inch will suffice for a wall that size, 60 blocks long, 6 courses high, 360 + 140 more for piers = 500 blocks around 500 delivered.
capping add another 200 euro roughly. so you are at roughly eleven hundred. another 300 to 400 for sand and cement, you'll be getting the bagged sand so expensive at 60-70 a ton. so between 1500-2000 should cover materials. price of labour i wouldn't have a clue about, what needs to be done with the soil dug out for the foundations, who disposes of that, can they access with a machine. if its all manual be a lot of money, maybe you are doing it yourself. all materials if they have to come through the house? who will be doing that. again another huge impact on price. two lads would build that wall in a day no bother but thats assuming all the materials are to hand. i don't know how long it would take lads to dig out that foundation by hand. factor in a couple of thousand for labour for foundations and wall. could be somewhere from 3-4K conservatively, and that would be country prices.

Pinoy adventure

bfclancy wrote: »

its a terraced house so is access through the house or via a back lane, this will affect cost significantly.
concrete foundation roughly 300mm wide by 300mm deep by 25m long, allow for piers so close to 3m. i'd imagine close to 400 euro delivered.
blocks, 4 inch will suffice for a wall that size, 60 blocks long, 6 courses high, 360 + 140 more for piers = 500 blocks around 500 delivered.
capping add another 200 euro roughly. so you are at roughly eleven hundred. another 300 to 400 for sand and cement, you'll be getting the bagged sand so expensive at 60-70 a ton. so between 1500-2000 should cover materials. price of labour i wouldn't have a clue about, what needs to be done with the soil dug out for the foundations, who disposes of that, can they access with a machine. if its all manual be a lot of money, maybe you are doing it yourself. all materials if they have to come through the house? who will be doing that. again another huge impact on price. two lads would build that wall in a day no bother but thats assuming all the materials are to hand. i don't know how long it would take lads to dig out that foundation by hand. factor in a couple of thousand for labour for foundations and wall. could be somewhere from 3-4K conservatively, and that would be country prices.

Thanks for the detailed reply.terrace house so I'll be bringing the supplies true the house myself,I'll be taking down
The current fence and digging the foundation by hand myself and handballing it back true the house too a skip in the front garden.
We are thinking of hiring
A cement mixer from a local hire shop rather than getting a concrete truck delivery/pump.

Would they be able too build 4-6 feet high straight or would you need too let the bottom course set for a day or 2 ?
Would steal/wire be needed in the foundation ?

Thanks again

bfclancy

Pinoy adventure wrote: »

Thanks for the detailed reply.terrace house so I'll be bringing the supplies true the house myself,I'll be taking down
The current fence and digging the foundation by hand myself and handballing it back true the house too a skip in the front garden.
We are thinking of hiring
A cement mixer from a local hire shop rather than getting a concrete truck delivery/pump.

Would they be able too build 4-6 feet high straight or would you need too let the bottom course set for a day or 2 ?
Would steal/wire be needed in the foundation ?

Thanks again

mixing three metres of concrete in a mixer, forget about it, just get the lorry be cheaper, is it four or six feet, big difference, on a dry day with piers be no issue going seven or eight courses,

Pinoy adventure

bfclancy wrote: »

mixing three metres of concrete in a mixer, forget about it, just get the lorry be cheaper, is it four or six feet, big difference, on a dry day with piers be no issue going seven or eight courses,

The end size is not confirmed yet as we are waiting too speak too the neighbor about it (they have young kids )5 feet would be ideal with capping but it doesn't really matter 4/5 feet.
Would the cement truck have the hose too pump the cement or would we need too hire a pump aswell ?
The truck would be just for the foundation though right ?

bfclancy

Pinoy adventure wrote: »

The end size is not confirmed yet as we are waiting too speak too the neighbor about it (they have young kids )5 feet would be ideal with capping but it doesn't really matter 4/5 feet.
Would the cement truck have the hose too pump the cement or would we need too hire a pump aswell ?
The truck would be just for the foundation though right ?

barrow it through the house from the truck, pump v expensive to hire, three or four barrows be done in half an hour, yes just for the foundations

Prices being mentioned above there, seem mental to me. I used a small time builder (was 2 lads, and they roped other trades in that they knew, as and when they needed them). I have seen eye-watering prices from large builders.

Can I ask where you're based Pinoy, and can you let us know when you get a quote, or do your maths, what kind of figure you're looking at. I'd be very interested.

Pinoy adventure

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Prices being mentioned above there, seem mental to me. I used a small time builder (was 2 lads, and they roped other trades in that they knew, as and when they needed them). I have seen eye-watering prices from large builders.

Can I ask where you're based Pinoy, and can you let us know when you get a quote, or do your maths, what kind of figure you're looking at. I'd be very interested.

Based in Dublin city
We have a rough idea of prices
Which are between €2500-€4000 ish
That's with me taking the current fence down,digging the foundation,filling of skip,carrying all blocks from front garden too back and doing and helping that is needed from brick layer.
Price would be at least another €500-€1000 higher if sumbody done the work I can do easily enough (I think)

Cerveza

Did you not price any Johnny cash men?

Pinoy adventure

Pinoy adventure wrote: »

Based in Dublin city
We have a rough idea of prices
Which are between €2500-€4000 ish
That's with me taking the current fence down,digging the foundation,filling of skip,carrying all blocks from front garden too back and doing and helping that is needed from brick layer.
Price would be at least another €500-€1000 higher if sumbody done the work I can do easily enough (I think)

I'd imagine the location you have is probably doing you no favours, in terms of price. Even the lads that were working for me added a "Dublin tax" onto their jobs (or so they told me, anyway).


Still seems like crazy money. I've noticed that the prices of things have risen massively in recent times, even locally. I did an extension, and renovation, etc. a few years back, but there are a few bits I didn't get finished (not much, skirting/architrave/small bit of plastering etc) and the prices I'm getting now and noticeably higher than what I was getting only around 4 years ago.

Pinoy adventure

Cerveza wrote: »

Did you not price any Johnny cash men?

Ideally that's what we're looking for

Pinoy adventure

330 4inch solid blocks got for €200 plus €100 too have the delivered.

Dermobrickie

bfclancy wrote: »

its a terraced house so is access through the house or via a back lane, this will affect cost significantly.
concrete foundation roughly 300mm wide by 300mm deep by 25m long, allow for piers so close to 3m. i'd imagine close to 400 euro delivered.
blocks, 4 inch will suffice for a wall that size, 60 blocks long, 6 courses high, 360 + 140 more for piers = 500 blocks around 500 delivered.)

I'll agree with bf here,
The block work alone will be roughly e1100ex vat pointed & capped.
This is assuming the blocks are in the back garden.

Pinoy adventure

Dermobrickie wrote: »

bfclancy wrote: »

its a terraced house so is access through the house or via a back lane, this will affect cost significantly.
concrete foundation roughly 300mm wide by 300mm deep by 25m long, allow for piers so close to 3m. i'd imagine close to 400 euro delivered.
blocks, 4 inch will suffice for a wall that size, 60 blocks long, 6 courses high, 360 + 140 more for piers = 500 blocks around 500 delivered.)

I'll agree with bf here,
The block work alone will be roughly e1100ex vat pointed & capped.
This is assuming the blocks are in the back garden.

Today will finish carrying the blocks from the front too back garden.we are still awaiting quotes from 2 people

heldel00

And decide which side the pillars are going on, yours or your neighbours? It seems to be a common enough argument.

Dermobrickie

Normally the person that's paying will put the piers on the other side and it here's any objections tell the neighbor if they pay half you'll put them your side.
Make sure there is a few expansion joints max every 9m

Pinoy adventure

heldel00 wrote: »

And decide which side the pillars are going on, yours or your neighbours? It seems to be a common enough argument.

We haven't though that far ahead yet.
Our next step is take current fence down and dig foundation by hand

yabadabado

heldel00 wrote: »

And decide which side the pillars are going on, yours or your neighbours? It seems to be a common enough argument.

Put them on neighbors side but make sure the pillars stay within your boundary .

Pinoy adventure

The neighbor just called in (I'm guessing after they had a think about it ).they now would like too build the wall in cavity blocks and take down an existing wall as they would like too build an extension in the next few years.
And dig a much deeper foundation.
I don't know what too think now

yabadabado

Pinoy adventure wrote: »

The neighbor just called in (I'm guessing after they had a think about it ).they now would like too build the wall in cavity blocks and take down an existing wall as they would like too build an extension in the next few years.
And dig a much deeper foundation.
I don't know what too think now

If it's just a boundary wall you are doing what's the need for a deeper foundation?

Pinoy adventure

yabadabado wrote: »

If it's just a boundary wall you are doing what's the need for a deeper foundation?

Well part of the boundry wall will become part of there new extension sumtime in the next few years,thats why there saying they/we will need a deeper foundation.
They also say it's better too build the wall in cavity blocks rather than 4inch solids as it will become part of there extension on there side

The chan chan man

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I can't give you a real answer, but i can give you a vague, roundabout kind of answer. But hopefully someone else will pop in, in afterwards with a better idea!


I extended my house about 3 years ago. To make access easier, we knocked the back wall between myself and my neighbours house. When the extension was done, i got the garden renovated, and re-building the wall was part of that.

Because it was done as part of a larger job, i can't give a precise price. The new wall is about 6.5ft tall, is made with 9" cavity blocks, wasn't rendered, has one pillar, and is about 33-35ft long. I estimate the cost to rebuild, materials and labour, was about €600. We didn't cap it, but capping worked out at about €250 + labour (labour for me was €200 a day).


Probably not much use to you, but hopefully it'll give an idea.

That doesn’t sound right at all.

Pinoy adventure

Pinoy adventure wrote: »

Well part of the boundry wall will become part of there new extension sumtime in the next few years,thats why there saying they/we will need a deeper foundation.
They also say it's better too build the wall in cavity blocks rather than 4inch solids as it will become part of there extension on there side

Depending what your relationship is like, and assuming they're willing to pay their share, that's not the worst idea in the world.

We did similar. Our extension wall replaced the garden wall. If the neighbour wants to build an extension, they will be hit with extra costs of having to interfere with (join onto) our roof, but they'll save a few euro as they can piggyback off our existing wall.

I get on well with my neighbours, though, which is important.

The chan chan man

The chan chan man wrote: »

That doesn’t sound right at all.

What part?

turbodiesel

We'll did the wall get built yet?......

Pinoy adventure

turbodiesel wrote: »

We'll did the wall get built yet?......

Yes complete at this stage.
Total price was €2,200 spilt between us

turbodiesel

Pinoy adventure wrote: »

Yes complete at this stage.
Total price was €2,200 spilt between us

That came in well on the lower range of the 2-4k I saw initially mentioned. Well done, hopefully you didn't need too many trips to the physio/chiropractor after all the heavy lifting

jayzee

Pinoy adventure wrote: »

Yes complete at this stage.
Total price was €2,200 spilt between us

Where did you source your builders from, was it tradesmenonline or some other website?

Pinoy adventure

turbodiesel wrote: »

That came in well on the lower range of the 2-4k I saw initially mentioned. Well done, hopefully you didn't need too many trips to the physio/chiropractor after all the heavy lifting

Haha it went handy enough mind you(although we did get sumwhat of a deal on the blocks )

Pinoy adventure

jayzee wrote: »

Where did you source your builders from, was it tradesmenonline or some other website?

We found them online -adverts add(we have there number if anybody would like it ).they charged us €125 a day each for 4 days +€150 for the foundation part which took a couple of hours too pour.

bfclancy

Pinoy adventure wrote: »

We found them online -adverts add(we have there number if anybody would like it ).they charged us €125 a day each for 4 days +€150 for the foundation part which took a couple of hours too pour.

stick up a pic and we can admire the fruits of your labour

Pinoy adventure

Let's see if this works.
Having being quoted €500 for the pathway I decided too do it my self (handy enough but not leveled 100%)and save myself a few bob.the pathway cost less than €200 quid