Proud Boys declared Terrorist Organisation by Canada *Mod Warning in OP*

Carfacemandog

https://apnews.com/article/canada-proud-boys-terrorist-group-510b8cd8286f1207a726904f61e63e4d

The Canadian government designated the Proud Boys group as a terrorist entity on Wednesday, noting they played a pivotal role in the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6.

The Proud Boys have faced increased scrutiny after seizing on the former Trump administration’s policies and the group was a major agitator during earlier protests and the Capitol riot on Jan. 6. The Proud Boys is a far-right, male chauvinist extremist group known for engaging in violent clashes at political rallies. Canada is the first country to designate them as a terrorist entity.

During a September presidential debate, Donald Trump had urged the Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by” when asked to condemn them by a moderator.

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The terrorist designation in Canada means the group may have assets seized and face harsher terrorism-related criminal penalties. A government official said just because they are a member doesn’t mean they will be charged with a crime, but if they do engage in violent acts they could be charged with terrorist crimes.

Sending money to the organization or buying Proud Boys paraphernalia would also be a crime.

“The group and its members have openly encouraged, planned, and conducted violent activities against those they perceive to be opposed to their ideology and political beliefs,” the Canadian government said in briefing materials.

“The group regularly attends Black Lives Matter (BLM) protests as counter-protesters, often engaging in violence targeting BLM supporters. On January 6, 2021, the Proud Boys played a pivotal role in the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol.”

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Blair said four right-wing groups including a white supremacist group called The Base that espoused using violence to accelerate overthrowing the U.S. government and Neo-Nazi group Atomwaffen Division were also designated as terrorist entities. They are a part of 13 additions to the list which also include three groups linked to al-Qaida, four associated with the Islamic State group and one Kashmiri organization.

This comes on the back of a vote to do so a last week back, which was unanimously voted on by Canada's House of Commons, which has 338 members on both the left and right side of the political aisle: https://globalnews.ca/news/7598355/motion-passes-proud-boys-terrorists/

Stand back, stand by, and don't be terrorists.

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Are those black Henri Lloyd polos terrorism too? Would hate to be sponsoring terrorism by wearing my one out and about.

spodoinkle

Edz87 wrote: »

Are those black Henri Lloyd polos terrorism too? Would hate to be sponsoring terrorism by wearing my one out and about.

the UVF are big into Henri Lloyd as well

spodoinkle

spodoinkle wrote: »

the UVF are big into Henri Lloyd as well

I know, I am the UVF.

TomTomTim

Power said national security and law enforcement agencies are “very actively engaged in monitoring the activities of these groups, and gathering the evidence required to support a determination of listing as a Terrorist Organization.

At least there's a standard of evidence needed, but it does sound like they are working backwards. They've created a conclusion and are now looking for supporting evidence

Carfacemandog

TomTomTim wrote: »

At least there's a standard of evidence needed, but it does sound like they are working backwards. They've created a conclusion and are now looking for supporting evidence

Blair has also said that they have been actively planning and plotting terrorist acts, which was a big part of their determination. So not working backwards by the sounds of it.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-politics-extremism-idUSKBN2A32Q2
"There has been a serious and concerning escalation of violence - not just rhetoric but activity and planning - and that is why we have responded as we have today," he told a news conference. He did not give details.

TomTomTim

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Blair has also said that they have been actively planning and plotting terrorist acts.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-politics-extremism-idUSKBN2A32Q2
"There has been a serious and concerning escalation of violence - not just rhetoric but activity and planning - and that is why we have responded as we have today," he told a news conference. He did not give details.

Fair enough.

There has been a serious and concerning escalation of violence - not just rhetoric but activity and planning - and that is why we have responded as we have today,” he told a news conference. He did not give details

Details will be needed, if we are to be persuaded.

dingledosser

TomTomTim wrote: »

both groups have chapters/cells in many states and countries.

They do not.

AllGunsBlazing

This is all getting a little silly. God help us when an actual terrorist organisation inevitably rears its head again.

"Proud Boys" are internet hucksters exploiting social unrest for financial gain.

Carfacemandog

TomTomTim wrote: »

Fair enough.



Details will be needed, if we are to be persuaded.

Details of active investigations are typically not disclosed, especially before disclosure.

Though to be honest, I'm not sure if theyre all that interested in persuading you. Moreso in protecting the law and their people from terrorist groups (including the multiple others listed in the article, primarily also western far right as well and/or islamist far right).

El_Duderino 09

Yer man who heads the Proud Boys has been an FBI grass for years. I can’t imagine that went down well with the grassroots.

I’m sure the information came to light to discredit him, but I wonder what effect it will have on them as an organisation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-55846696

Tacitus Kilgore

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

This is all getting a little silly. God help us when an actual terrorist organisation inevitably rears its head again.

"Proud Boys" are internet hucksters exploiting social unrest for financial gain.

Yea, they're definitely not trying to instill terror here.

wes

Good, hopefully the Irish government follow suit, as well as the rest of the EU.

Far right white supremacists groups, have been allowed to operated with impunity for far to long. About time to see some action.

Also, people who compare anti-fascists, as being equivalent to white supremacists, tell you everything about their sympathies....

AllGunsBlazing

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Yea, they're definitely not trying to instill terror here.

Americans stroking their guns. Yeah, that's a new one.

Tacitus Kilgore

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Americans stroking their guns. Yeah, that's a new one.

Strong argument sir, you have unparalleled debating skills.


Which are they then? are they basement dwellers or are they on the street in full tactical gear with high powered weaponry?

wes

Fascists', want to kill all non-white people.

Anti-fascists, are against that.

Somehow, some people who are totally not fascists themselves, think these 2 are the same some how.

Any reasonable person is ant-fascist, it is not an organization. You can no more declare anti-fascism a terrorist group, then you can declare fascism a terrorist group. Now you can declare specific groups like the proud boys terrorists, as they are an organization that has openly engaged in political violence for several years. If someone is angry about them being rightly declared a terrorist group, then its clear they have sympathies towards this terrorist group, and again if you are against anti-fascism, then you are a fascist.

AllGunsBlazing

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Strong argument sir, you have unparalleled debating skills.


Which are they then? are they basement dwellers or are they on the street in full tactical gear with high powered weaponry?

Fair enough. I should probably be fearful for my freedom/personal safety, or something.

Drop me a PM when they're marching on Dublin.

AllGunsBlazing

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

WTF?

Strong argument sir....

I concede. "Terrorist organisation", they most certainly are.

Carfacemandog

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

This is all getting a little silly. God help us when an actual terrorist organisation inevitably rears its head again.

"Proud Boys" are internet hucksters exploiting social unrest for financial gain.

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Americans stroking their guns. Yeah, that's a new one.

Obvious by omission that you agree your earlier "internet hucksters" comment was incorrect.

I think they're up to 8 Proud Boys now who have been arrested for the failed insurrection effort last month, by the way.

AllGunsBlazing

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

sorry, I failed to provide a strong argument as I had no idea what the post meant, can you please explain the post to me -

Sure. I know realise the Proud Boys are in fact a "terrorist organisation", and absolutely not a bunch of clowns exploiting the volatility of the current political climate for their own gain.

Tacitus Kilgore

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Sure. I know realise the Proud Boys are in fact a "terrorist organisation", and absolutely not a bunch of conmen exploiting the volatility of the current political climate for their own gain.

That's exactly what a terrorist is... Using fear/terror/violence to pursue their aims....

AllGunsBlazing

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

That's exactly what a terrorist is... Using fear/terror/violence to pursue their aims....

Exactly. And this is why I asked you to inform me (via PM) the minute these gun stroking neckbeards - whoops, Terrorists - show up here.

Sorry for the confusion.

Tacitus Kilgore

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Exactly. And this is why I asked you to inform me (via PM) the minute these gun stroking neckbeards show up here.

Sorry for the confusion.

I doubt they'll march here,

But if you want to find our own version (now, it's a really shit version) of the "proud boys"

Try Gemma O Doherty, The National Party, Ben Gilroy, The Yellow Vest boys, Anti Corruption Ireland - they're our proud boys, not quite terrorists - definitely fascists.

AllGunsBlazing

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

I doubt they'll march here,

But if you want to find our own version (now, it's a really shit version) of the "proud boys"

Try Gemma O Doherty, The National Party, Ben Gilroy, The Yellow Vest boys, Anti Corruption Ireland - they're our proud boys, not quite terrorists - definitely fascists.

I'm old enough to remember when real terrorists operated on this island. I won't be losing any sleep over anyone that list. Proud Boys won't even be afforded a footnote in the history books.

Breast beating langers out for a ruck. And I include their mortal enemies Antifa in that description. Sorry.

Tacitus Kilgore

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

They probably wont as they are useful tools for those in power, you wont see anything happen to them unless they bite the hand that feeds them.

Who's their leader so - if they are an organisation?

Tacitus Kilgore

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

If someone dares to mention Christianity or the IRA on one of the regular Muslim bashing threads following an event that may or may not be a terrorist attack there will be 10 replies about how that's obviously not the same thing and the mere comparison is outrageous.

Start a thread about the Proud Boys being a terrorist organisation and over half the posts are crying about antifa.

Proof if any was needed that this forum is fast becoming a right wing shíthole.

It's funny though, there's quite a few names missing in this thread, are they on lunch or what?

WrenBoy

Canada :rolleyes:

randd1

WrenBoy wrote: »

Canada :rolleyes:

Yes, them with their commons sense government and normal society.

tooth*grinder

It's amazing whenever the proud boys are brought up in any thread online how quickly the thread descends into a mass of bad faith whataboutery.
It's almost like it's a standard and directed play to muddy waters, deflect attention or sow negativity and bad feeling.

Proud boys are a bunch of sad useful losers whose reach stretches from the virtual world to the real. All of it negative.
I mean seriously, the charter of membership (or whatever they call it); its just about the sadest ****ing thing any non lonely reject could ever read.

WrenBoy

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

.. I have news for you, you're a fascist!

Who isn't these days ?

Tchaikovsky

Majority of sane people just don't want to see fascist terrorism sprout up and to live in a society where violent attacks are carried out against minority groups.

Dyr

The British government didn't outlaw the UDA until into the 90s even though everyone knew they were a terrorist outfit, just because the UDA used a covername for their illegal activities. It suited the British to have them do dirty work for the British state

Interesting to see an American government doing the same. Also interesting to see people stupid enough to think that a lack of central leadership precludes a group from being classed as terrorists.

biko

Carfacemandog wrote: »

And the US' neighbour and closest ally just officially designated one of them a terrorist designation - hence, this thread.

Got any thoughts on that?

That you didn't mention Canada in the title. Did you perhaps think it was the US that designated Proud Boys terrorists?

TomTomTim

I'm just after remembering that it was Canada where Antifa members were harassing an old woman, calling her a Nazi.

An elderly woman using a walker and her companion were blocked by a group of antifascist activists shouting, “Nazi scum, off our streets!” — and blocking the couple from entering a right-wing political rally, according to reports

Obviously not terrorism, but absolute scumbag behavior.

sure if Canada declares them terrorists, so what, the may well be but not the kind we worry about, global terrorist I mean. It's the Canadians rowing in to be progressive.....you been treudoooowed!!!

Carfacemandog

biko wrote: »

That you didn't mention Canada in the title. Did you perhaps think it was the US that designated Proud Boys terrorists?

Why would I list the specific country in the thread title, when my original post made it explicitly clear where this happened and has the word 'Canada' in it a half dozen times? Did you not read the OP?

So again, what are you thoughts on Canada designating the Proud Boys as an organisation, now that you're in the thread?

RandRuns

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

A quick google shows me that the only places calling him the leader of antifa in Ireland are a Facebook page that likes ALL CAPS (always a sure sign of sane, unbiased reporting) and a website for the Irish Freedom Party.

I don't know anything about the guy, so can't say.

Wonder if he's sued those people for claiming he is?

Gregor Samsa

RandRuns wrote: »

I don't know anything about the guy, so can't say.

For someone who claims not to know anything about anything, you have plenty to say about it all, don't you?

dan1895

RandRuns wrote: »

I don't know anything about the guy, so can't say.

Wonder if he's sued those people for claiming he is?

He probably won't bother as everyone knows it's an extremely small number of people dumb enough to believe what anything those types of people say.

TomTomTim

yoke wrote: »

Total bollox. Have you even been to America?

The cities I stayed in were far more multicultural and felt far safer than any of the small rural places I visited. Far more welcoming of foreigners too.

And the cities were far more prosperous (“despite” being multicultural, thus refuting your claim) than the countryside in general. The further you went out to the country, the poorer people got.

Of course there were bad areas in cities where people advised me not to go, and I saw them anyway. And yes they were mostly black areas like Compton. But the reasons for them being poor were bloody obvious, and it had nothing to do with the population’s skin colour, but that’s another discussion.

Yet most of Americas most dangerous cities are multicultural. Even looking at the data, Americas safest states are some of the least multicultural like Maine, Vermont & Utah.

Overheal

TomTomTim wrote: »

Yet most of Americans most dangerous cities are multicultural.

Most Americans also drink water and eat food. Coincidence?

dan1895

TomTomTim wrote: »

Yet most of Americans most dangerous cities are multicultural.

Big cities tend to be dangerous and multicultural. They are not dangerous because they are multicultural.

Necro

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Necro

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Ok I've just deleted over 100 posts of absolute nonsense, whataboutery, outright trolling and bickering back and forth.

Thread title is amended to reflect the correct nature of the article in the OP.

RandRuns - don't post in this thread again.

I'm reopening this under the very strict measures to stay on topic. If you want to talk about antifa or BLM or ISIS or some other organisation that is NOT the Proud Boys (which is the very subject of this thread) - post in the relevant thread or start one on the topic.

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Granadino

I can't understand why anyone in Europe would give a toss about these "proud boys" anyhow. Nothing to do with us either way.

Let me guess. Some Irish **** will copy it.

James Brown

TomTomTim wrote: »

Yet most of Americas most dangerous cities are multicultural. Even looking at the data, Americas safest states are some of the least multicultural like Maine, Vermont & Utah.

Goes back to inequality.
Ireland was predominately white when we'd high crime and heroin during the eighties. The Hutches and Kinahans aren't Nigerian.
It's socio-economically driven. Poor/low income sections of society commit most blue collar crime. Minorities tend to be poor/low income. Not that straight forward but that's the gist.

*************

The Proud boys are the epitome of white privilege in that they are white and worried equality will damage their perceived lives. I say perceived because white supremacists tend to believe everything would be hunky dory if not for them foreigners or the blacks in general. And I think at the back of it, Trump and others are delighted these gombeens look at people often in the same boat as themselves rather than the top tier of political decision and money makers.

James Brown

James Brown wrote: »

The Proud boys are the epitome of white privilege in that they are white

Apart from the ones that aren't?

Man, criticism of proud boys for some of their members actions is absolutely understandable, but calling them white supremacists or exclusively white, when they are demonstrably not is absurd and arguing in bad faith.

Dyr

James Brown wrote: »

Goes back to inequality.
Ireland was predominately white when we'd high crime and heroin during the eighties. The Hutches and Kinahans aren't Nigerian.
It's socio-economically driven. Poor/low income sections of society commit most blue collar crime. Minorities tend to be poor/low income. Not that straight forward but that's the gist.

*************

I'm going to need to some serious proof that Ireland had high crime rates in the 80s

Extend that to Ireland having a heroin problem in the 80s rather than just parts of Dublin having a heroin problem.

Gatling

Edz87 wrote: »

Are those black Henri Lloyd polos terrorism too? Would hate to be sponsoring terrorism by wearing my one out and about.

Leave your assault rifle and body armour at home and you will be fine.

Edz87

Edz87 wrote: »

Are those black Henri Lloyd polos terrorism too? Would hate to be sponsoring terrorism by wearing my one out and about.

Not on its own no. You need 3 lions and "Born in England" tattoos to go with it.

Carfacemandog

Deleted User wrote: »

Apart from the ones that aren't?

Man, criticism of proud boys for some of their members actions is absolutely understandable, but calling them white supremacists or exclusively white, when they are demonstrably not is absurd and arguing in bad faith.

The Canadian government has gone with neo fascist, rather than simply white supremacist.

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/crrnt-lstd-ntts-en.aspx#510

The Proud Boys is a neo-fascist organization that engages in political violence and was formed in 2016. Members of the group espouse misogynistic, Islamophobic, anti-Semitic, anti-immigrant, and/or white supremacist ideologies and associate with white supremacist groups. The Proud Boys consists of semi-autonomous chapters located in the United States (U.S.), Canada, and internationally. The group and its members have openly encouraged, planned, and conducted violent activities against those they perceive to be opposed to their ideology and political beliefs. The group regularly attends Black Lives Matter (BLM) protests as counter-protesters, often engaging in violence targeting BLM supporters. On January 6, 2021, the Proud Boys played a pivotal role in the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol. Leaders of the group planned their participation by setting out objectives, issuing instructions, and directing members during the insurrection. The leader of the Proud Boys was arrested two days before the insurrection as part of a stated effort by U.S. law enforcement to apprehend individuals who were planning to travel to the D.C. area with intentions to cause violence.