Meetoo social media allegations against famous singer

badabing106

Evan Rachel Wood alleges ex-fiancé Marilyn Manson abused her for years, in a post today via Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKvmsUmF1ho/

Even if these allegations weren't true, his career and life are over.

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Is twitter and Instagram the best way to go about it? I presume her lawyers would have be consulted in what was appropriate to write?

Do you think this will result in a 2nd wave of other famous musicians being outed as alleged abusers?

I think the music industry has got off lightly - there’s over 60 years of drugs sex and rock n roll at this stage- I’m actually surprised more stories haven’t come out compared to say TV presenters and actors.

Birneybau

Stupid clickbait title

joseywhales

When you go out with a man 18 years older who acts like marilyn manson, I would not expect to have power over the situation. In a shocking revelation he turned out to be manipulative!

Melanchthon

Whether he is innocent or guilty etc Think this might a bit different to some other social media driven accusations of abuse as AFAIK she already did try bring a case against him ages and ages ago but it didn't proceed.
As in she was accusing him of this before Instagram and #metoo was even a thing.

Gatling

Sounds like a case of seriously tainted love

buried

We seem to be living in an age of allegations against famous people. Some allegations could be true, some could be complete fabrications. One thing is certain, the longer this age of allegation keeps up, the cult of fame and celebrity is totally finished. Which is great.

Bowlardo

Ex fiancé?!? They were engaged!!!
I’m sorry I don’t believe her allegations.
Could she just **** off and stop Wasting our time!

Metoo is over since Biden was accused..

jam_mac_jam

Instagram is not the place for allegations. I feel sorry for her if it is true but go to the police not Instagram.

doublejobbing 2

Gatling wrote: »

Sounds like a case of seriouly tainted love

Least if he's locked up he can blow himself.

Allegedly :pac:

SEPT 23 1989

So that clean-cut boy next door image was all an act

shocking:(

Sonics2k

Hardly the first allegation against Manson and doesn't surprise me at all tbh.

doublejobbing 2

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Instagram is not the place for allegations. I feel sorry for her if it is true but go to the police not Instagram.

This.

I would struggle to entertain the mental state, and thus reliability, of anybody who thought it was a good idea to marry this lad as a teenager.

Actually I'd have doubts to anybody in the 21st century who wants to get married below the age of at least 27.

Gatling

There was a story recently but it was reported that the person was charged on social media with commiting a crime ,

Social media is not a court ,nor is social media the police the victims should be going to the authorities with these claims ,
I'll support victims but not through social media ,it's nothing more of a circus ,she gave evidence to the senate

Thelonious Monk

From The Wonder Years to this

James Brown

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

This.

I would struggle to entertain the mental state, and thus reliability, of anybody who thought it was a good idea to marry this lad as a teenager.

Actually I'd have doubts to anybody in the 21st century who wants to get married below the age of at least 27.

Isn't that the claim of her post?

ongarite

Some of the post on this thread are shameful.

She has given very personal and distressing evidence to US Congress and California Senate on sexual abuse she received without naming the perpetrator until now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm2_JCNWTus

sibersha

It's always the ones you least suspect

Lillyfae

He's responded. It's hard to know what to believe really, but accusations on Instagram never sat well with me. I'm surprised that Harvey Weinstein ever got a custodial sentence with all the stuff that was flying around on social media.

I'd love to know what Rose McGowan has to say about it though.

biko

Why do people confuse Brian Warner for Josh Saviano, they look nothing alike.

Beechwoodspark

Can’t stand the pr1ck

Hope he gets a long prison sentence

Absolute dog sh1te music too.

JupiterKid

Well, this 1998 song by Manson certainly gives you an insight into his attitude to sex and relationships...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkNzuTM0EgE

innuendo141

Lillyfae wrote: »

He's responded. It's hard to know what to believe really, but accusations on Instagram never sat well with me. I'm surprised that Harvey Weinstein ever got a custodial sentence with all the stuff that was flying around on social media.

I'd love to know what Rose McGowan has to say about it though.

She's said he was never like this while they were together, but that's not to say he wasn't before or after they were together. Fair enough.

This just confirms what has been suspected for the last 3 years, the social media outrage will die down. He's been a piece of sheet for an awful long time.

Samsonsmasher

Is there any evidence?

Lillyfae

Lillyfae wrote: »

I'd love to know what Rose McGowan has to say about it though.

Be gentle?

He said in his statement that his intimate relationships have always been consensual with like-minded people.

People get their kicks in many weird and wonderful ways and I'd usually not be one to judge but anyone who gets their kicks by causing pain or suffering to another person is scum

Sudden Valley

Not a fan of his music but he seemed to be quite level headed in real life in his appearance in that Bowling for Columbine documentary a while back. The number of allegations from different women makes it look like Evan Rachel Wood is being honest about her allegations. People say where is the evidence but I'm not sure what evidence you can have of domestic abuse if the abuse is not bad enough to have the women end up in the Emergency room.

Samsonsmasher

Sudden Valley wrote: »

Not a fan of his music but he seemed to be quite level headed in real life in his appearance in that Bowling for Columbine documentary a while back. The number of allegations from different women makes it look like Evan Rachel Wood is being honest about her allegations. People say where is the evidence but I'm not sure what evidence you can have of domestic abuse if the abuse is not bad enough to have the women end up in the Emergency room.

Is there any evidence or just allegations?

Beechwoodspark

Around the late 90//early 2000s was fairly common even in rural parts to see teenagers wearing t shirts etc of Marilyn Manson. Kind of goth scene. You’d see them sold at markets and dodgy shops - knock offs, not official merchandise. Usually you’d have a choice of oasis, nirvana, Eminem, and..... marilyn Manson for some reason

I always thought there was something iffy about him and his fans. and on top of that his music was so so bad.

The issue for me is whether someone can consent to being in an abusive relationship. It seems blatantly obvious that if you choose to date Marilyn Manson it's going to be an unhealthy relationship with elements of sadomasochism, occultism, drug use etc.

flazio

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Is there any evidence or just allegations?

ERW is compiling her medical records in order to build up her case.

deathbomber

hard to know, his music is rubbish, always thought his image was just for marketing. Sounds like his into S'&M and stuff like it, but surely she must of known what she was getting into. Not saying she is lying but former lovers coming out of the woodwork has a smell of revenge and possibly financial motives. I see it as a different scenario to Weinstein, he demanded "favours" for career progression etc. Anyway, interesting, let's see but as another poster said, the whole rock n roll scene is littered with sex, drugs , alcohol..........

Donald Trump

Deleted User wrote: »

The issue for me is whether someone can consent to being in an abusive relationship.

Plenty do!


I think that when they are that age someone sees themselves as invincible. So they don't believe that the other person can damage them.



They can know objectively that someone is not a good person. You still see it with people who would be spoiled for choice but still go for a certain "type". At the end of the day, what can anyone else do. It is their choice. Let them make it if they want to

Dyr

flazio wrote: »

ERW is compiling her medical records in order to build up her case.

Good for her, but its the cops that build cases, has she gone to them?

Like Bill Burr said, a lot black men were lynched thanks to the previous incarnation of "Believe Women"

Odhinn

Marilyn Manson has been dropped by his record label following claims by actress Evan Rachel Wood that she was "horrifically abused" by the musician.


Loma Vista Recordings said it would no longer be working with Manson and would cease promoting his latest album "effective immediately".






His guest appearance in Starz drama American Gods will also be removed.


Manson was due to be seen in an upcoming episode but the US TV network Starz said in a statement: "Due to the allegations made against Marilyn Manson, we have decided to remove his performance from the remaining episode he is in, scheduled to air later this season. Starz stands unequivocally with all victims and survivors of abuse."

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-55900061


He's toxic now.

Lurching

Odhinn wrote: »

He's toxic now.

So based on her insta post, they're canning him?
Judge, jury & executioner?

Coybig_

5 years ago she said this:

"I wasn't doing it to prove a point or be rebellious. I wanted to break a mold, for sure – I knew I was edgier, more alternative and weird. And he was just what I needed because I felt really free with him. And that freedom was attractive."

"I wouldn't trade any of [our relationship]," she declares. "I appreciate everything he taught me."

People argue the "MeToo" movement has opened the doors for many women to speak bravely about their abuse.

On the other hand, seeing as trial by social media ends up in automatic belief in the woman without question - there is no drawback whatsoever to any fabrication of any event, be it intentional lies or accidental misremembering.

Nobody knows what happens, which is why the police should be the first port of call for allegations like this, rather than social media. His life destroyed over an unproven set of allegations, when she claimed a short number of years ago that she wouldn't trade any of their relationship?!?

If it did happen then it's obviously horrific, but if it did, then you would assume that the police would be the best option for her. If you go to the police you actually can protect others from this, if he is jailed. However if you go to social media - what do you achieve? You end him as you clearly want but nothing is proven.

Dyr

Lurching wrote: »

So based on her insta post, they're canning him?
Judge, jury & executioner?

Welcome to the future!

Odhinn

Lurching wrote: »

So based on her insta post, they're canning him?
Judge, jury & executioner?

In fairness there's a total of five women who've come out about him,

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-55900061


plus a former male assistant who witnessed what went on
https://loudwire.com/marilyn-manson-former-personal-assistant-evan-rachel-woods-abuse-allegations/

But yes, it is guilty sans a trial

Coybig_

Odhinn wrote: »

In fairness there's a total of five women who've come out about him,

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-55900061


plus a former male assistant who witnessed what went on
https://loudwire.com/marilyn-manson-former-personal-assistant-evan-rachel-woods-abuse-allegations/

But yes, it is guilty sans a trial

None of these women thought to go to the police with any of this?

They just all decided to stay silent until the most famous of them spoke out - even though going to the police could have prevented further abuse?

Again, not saying he is innocent but this trial by social media stuff is a complete laugh.

I could literally come out and say it happened to me too and I'd be in the news and have tons of people flood my social media saying how brave I am. Proof, who needs it!

TomTomTim

Lurching wrote: »

So based on her insta post, they're canning him?
Judge, jury & executioner?

It's been like this for a while. I remember reading So You've Been Publicly Shamed by John Ronson a few years ago, where there was numerous examples of people complaining to employers about employees, and them being fired without question, without being given an attempt to defend themselves. We're truly living in the times of guilty until proven innocent, and this is being sold to us a "progress".

riffmongous

Coybig_ wrote: »

None of these women thought to go to the police with any of this?

They just all decided to stay silent until the most famous of them spoke out - even though going to the police could have prevented further abuse?

Again, not saying he is innocent but this trial by social media stuff is a complete laugh.

I could literally come out and say it happened to me too and I'd be in the news and have tons of people flood my social media saying how brave I am. Proof, who needs it!

Would it have?

briany

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaS5VIGsS0E

Coybig_

riffmongous wrote: »

Would it have?

It's a reasonable possibility that had he been convicted any of the times, the following times would not have happened, due to punishment, or increased awareness of his behaviours. What is happening to him now could have happened before if somebody had gone to the police.

Coybig_

Coybig_ wrote: »

It's a reasonable possibility that had he been convicted any of the times, the following times would not have happened, due to punishment, or increased awareness of his behaviours. What is happening to him now could have happened before if somebody had gone to the police.

Thing is, I can think of numerous famous people who were reported and it took years to decades for any case to be pursued against them. The police had recordings of Weinstein and it got buried, basically nothing was done until journalists pursued it. Even non high profile cases struggle so it's understandable why women are apprehensive to come forward about it. Also Wood first mentioned this in 2018 before congress and didn't name him at the time so it's not exactly out of the blue.

Snake Plisken

I agree with this guy's take on the situation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzbYVcR5LoI

Beechwoodspark

Always knew there was something deeply, significantly dodgy about Brian Warner.

His fake name. His make up. The horrific lyrics. The rubbishy crap music

Can’t work out why it took so long but I’m glad he’s been “outed” as such and found out

cannotlogin

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Is there any evidence?

She has stated that she has video and other evidence but the US courts can't accept it given the statute of limitations.

I can't see why she would lie about that as if he wanted to sue her for slander or something, she could use them to defend herself.

Faugheen

I love the way the first thing the OP analyses is the possibility that the woman is lying.

It’s just so predictable at this stage.

Dyr

Faugheen wrote: »

I love the way the first thing the OP analyses is the possibility that the woman is lying.

It’s just so predictable at this stage.

I think we can safely say she's lying about being groomed, given that she met him at 18

That said when it comes to Me tTo women in their mid 20s can claim they "were groomed"