The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119215784#Comment_119215784

Why did pearse ask a question Rant style including stuff about an off topic FG dinner party and the Tánaiste's as yet undecided upon case in the DPP's office if he didn't want a comment on that ?

Pearse 100% went in trolling and by God,with the drubbing he got in return,he'll be careful about the next one

BonnieSituation

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119215394#Comment_119215394

Who said it wasn't true?

You wouldn't be constructing an oul strawman there now blanch to hide behind now would you?

Tut tut. 3/10

BonnieSituation

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119215850#Comment_119215850

Drubbing?

Are you anti-SFers that delusional?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119215879#Comment_119215879

I'm not anti SF,that's your first mistake

I'm just not a supporter

For good reason,much of which is laid out in this thread

Irelandsnumberone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119215850#Comment_119215850

Did he answer any questions that were asked by Pearse in relation to the cost of living?

Nope he went on a rant about SF going over the same nonsense IRA, money bla bla that they have tried to use against SF for god knows how long

FG are clearly now in Govt to keep SF out, not actually do the job of the Govt (no 18 page dossier on how to help people struggling with the current cost living crisis, one about the Shinners though)

Priorities and all that

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119215919#Comment_119215919

He did answer Pearse's questions actually

You are right,that's very astute of you, FG were reluctantly I might add persuaded to join this unusual government to keep SF out

Not because they wanted to keep them out

Only because a majority in the Dáil didn't want them in

Thats an important distinction

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119215875#Comment_119215875

So you accept that everything that Varadkar said about Sinn Fein yesterday was true? Well, if that is the case, what's the problem?

He lifted a rock, everyone saw what was under it, and you guys start complaining.

BonnieSituation

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217231#Comment_119217231

And Ireland is only "middle Ireland"?

This "I'm alright Jack" crap is why this country is how it is.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217846#Comment_119217846

For FG and FF, it is. That's their target audience and hopefully will see them return to Government.

Those not interested in working, looking to be looked after by the State are never going to vote FG or FF in large numbers. It makes sense for these parties to not focus on the welfare classes too much.

BonnieSituation

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119218525#Comment_119218525

Right. 🙄

Ten of Swords

@shirrup threadban lifted

Irelandsnumberone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119218525#Comment_119218525

Have they given up on all the votes they lost to SF?

notsocutehoor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119218525#Comment_119218525

It probably isn't a problem for FG but I expect it most certainly is for FF and their future. FG have always been the party of the establishment, big farmers, IBEC, IFA, west-brits, lawn order, they will hold this vote through thick and thin (will obviously see-saw from time to time depending on what’s happening) but hard to see their vote ever dropping much below 20%. FF were traditionally the catch all (the rest) party, small farmer, ISME, ICMSA, blue collar, Irish language, unemployed, with the local Cumann being omnipotent with their finger on every local pulse, this voter base kept them in power for most of their existence. It served them well historically, but then in the nineties and noughties they went fishing in the FG pond (with some success at the time) with their attraction to the Galway Tent and everything associated with it, the problem being for them that they largely abandoned their traditional base to Sinn Fein, left wingers of all shapes and sizes, and a plethora of Independents. They have really struggled to get that support base back and it is almost impossible to see it returning, certainly for the next election given their current bedfellowing with the shirts. FF have effectively excluded a significant portion of their traditional vote (as applauded by you above), FG haven't.

Where are FF going to be getting the vote from next General Election, FG will have their rock solid 20% (+ or a small - depending on how things are going) but who will be voting FF, they will obviously be picking up FG preferences, but a vote for FF will be a vote to put FG back into power, it is hard to see anybody other than the diehard soldiers supporting them. It really could be existential for FF.

This is not an uncivil post!

piplip87

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1537699065055653888?t=l_pWs8qO6SHBMZxGR4D2fw&s=19

This is the fella who wants to be finance minister who doesn't know how pensions work. Even after the pension break (which we all get) they pay about 92000 a year in tax.

Again Pearse is at the megaphone trying to raise anger among the working and welfare class that these people are robbing them.......

Varadkar and Martin should start attacking them on these issues as in fairness between this and his anger over Revolut marking his son as a politically exposed person, Pearse doesn't have a clue about finance

Pearse is advocating for communism there basically ie The more you earn the more than what everyone else percentage wise you should pay

If you are clever enough to earn loads of money, it isyour just deserts minus the same percentage of tax that everyone else pays that you should keep

Take away relativity and you destroy incentive

Destroy incentive and soon after you have a destroyed economy

A destroyed economy pays for nothing

AlmightyCushion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119230232#Comment_119230232

If each of those 15,800 were getting paid exactly €250k and not a penny more (which is obviously not the case, some if not all would be earning more than this) then even the pension tax relief they are still paying €107,836 a year in income tax, PRSI and USC on their income. That works out about €1.7 billion in total. That is only if they were all earning exactly 250k a year. Obviously, the real figure is likely higher as some would be earning more than that.

I do find it interesting that Pearse Doherty is giving out about people getting tax relief for providing for their pensions when politicians don't provide for their own pensions and get a very nice and lucrative pension package from being a politician.

notsocutehoor

'So Pearse is advocating for communism there, the more you earn the more than what everyone else percentage wise you should pay'

So he would have us joining in with those other great European bastions of Communism, Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Greece, Netherlands, Portugal, Slovenia and Sweden. Be careful out there, there are reds under every bed.

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119230232#Comment_119230232

Not the first time I've heard Pearse (or others from the so-called left) talk disingenuously re. pensions, effective tax rates etc. I remember him once quoting effective tax rates from someone on 125k a year which sounded ridiculously low. Someone on the property pin (before that entire site wen batsh!t crazy) eventually worked out that

• he was taking someone 60+ so could make AVCs of up to 40%
• was ignoring USC and PRSI

Strangely he didn't quote any effective rates for those on lower wages

notsocutehoor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234150#Comment_119234150

If he was quoting a ridiculously low marginal tax rate for someone on €125k then he must indeed be a serious thicko, there are only 2 possible (as far as I'm aware) marginal tax rates that someone on €125k could be on, 20% (highly unlikely for someone on that salary - seriously good tax advisor required) or 40%. The effective tax rate can of course be brought to a ridiculously low level (probably under 10% - more likely 10 to 15% when I think about it) with judicious management. So if Pearse was talking about ridiculously low marginal tax rate then he clearly hasn't a clue what he's talking about, but if he's talking about ridiculously low effective tax rate then he's spot on. People can get confused between both, maybe I'm confused.

Edit: I should also add that your age has absolutely nothing to do with your marginal tax rate, or indeed your effective tax rate

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markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119230232#Comment_119230232

I shudder to think what Pearse would be like as Minister for Finance. Say what you want about the current Minister, but at least they are educated and somewhat competant in their briefs.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234150#Comment_119234150

Apologies - this should have referenced effective tax rates and not marginal. Edited now

piplip87

I see Louise was on the radio talking about the public sector pay restoration this morning. Against the top 10% getting it. Funnily enough SF supported the the bill that implemented the public sector pay restoration.

Also from my understanding the vast majority of those in this bracket are hospital consultants and surgens, how does Louise intend to fulfill their policy of recruiting more of them if they get into government..

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234391#Comment_119234391

Typical tbh.

For it some months back, now against it because it may get a few more votes.

SF doesn't have a clue about consistency.

notsocutehoor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234365#Comment_119234365

Ah effective. I presume you accept then that what Pearse said is correct - it is possible for someone on €125k to reduce their effective tax rate to a ridiculously low level.

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119233507#Comment_119233507

You sound like an advocate for Fine Gaels 30% tax proposal ; )

notsocutehoor

'at least they are educated and somewhat competant'

Funny!

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Irelandsnumberone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234652#Comment_119234652

How much has our nations debt increased under FG/FF the last decade?

Very competent indeed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235452#Comment_119235452

Most of the rise in debt was sanctioned by the EU as an exceptional bail out as was the pandemic spending

Good luck with convincing the Commission to sanction the borrowing required for Sinn feins promiserama

Or good luck with getting re elected with the huge new tax burden in the absence of the borrowing

But obviously if enough people vote for this,they're only responsible for reaping what they Sow and reap it they will

Promiserama never changed the earth's axis anywhere

I spoke to an FG supporter today who can't wait for SF In government when the penny will drop amongst the deluded

Its a common opinion these days

Irelandsnumberone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235937#Comment_119235937

The penny has dropped with the public and thats why FG are losing votes all over

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235937#Comment_119235937

The problems is the damage they will do will be too much to repair.