Three.ie is handing over your Covid movements.

Fann Linn

Interesting article in the Examiner today where 3 mobile customers movement data is being handed over to Dept of Health who are monitoring same in an effort to see how many are complying with lock downs.

Other telecommuncation companies have not handed over this information.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40214021.html?type=amp&ved=2ahUKEwjuxMKjnrruAhXxt3EKHXklDH4QyM8BMAB6BAgCEAY&usg=AOvVaw28cE-BjOz931S9xUHdHLkb&ampcf=1

Kivaro

Irrespective of the possible good-intention motive, I still think it is a bad move, and probably illegal.

grogi

Kivaro wrote: »

Irrespective of the possible good-intention motive, I still think it is a bad move, and probably illegal.

This is completely anonymous data. Nothing illegal about it. Vodafone did the same years ago with TomTom for instance.

There are thousands of users per cell, the mistress we ok stay the secret.

Jim Root

What’s the problem?

Kivaro

grogi wrote: »

This is completely anonymous data. Nothing illegal about it. Vodafone did the same years ago with TomTom for instance.

Can we be certain that it is completely anonymous?

grogi

Jim Root wrote: »

What’s the problem?

Paranoia

Kivaro

grogi wrote: »

Paranoia

Privacy laws.

Mrs OBumble

Good.

I heard they can't track you if you wrap the phone in tin foil.

grogi

Kivaro wrote: »

Privacy laws.

That's ops data, it is not sensitive information.

davetherave

The CSO, in issuing its latest data release, said the data is based on 'anonymised, aggregated, mobile phone activity records.'

"Data from Three Ireland is collated from anonymised data sets at a macro scale, aggregated at Electoral Division and provided to the Department of Health," it said.




It's hardly just "my" Covid Movements now is it? It's the anonymised movements of "Naas Urban" or "Naas Rural" or Maynooth or "Rathmines West D" or Howth.

davetherave

davetherave wrote: »

It's hardly just "my" Covid Movements now is it? It's the anonymised movements of "Naas Urban" or "Naas Rural" or Maynooth or "Rathmines West D" or Howth.

Ssssh, get out of here with your "facts". OP wants to feel outraged, allow him the pleasure of being misinformed.

bmc58

Kivaro wrote: »

Irrespective of the possible good-intention motive, I still think it is a bad move, and probably illegal.

Not illegal.No names mentioned in any movement of persons.,just general movement of people.So says Jess Kelly of Newstalk "fame".

colm_mcm

They’re aggregating and anonymising the information, that’s doesn’t actually amount to handing over anyone’s movements if it’s not traceable.

CrazyFather1

Great, catch those who are breaking the rules and fine them.

agoodpunt

just because it done in the name of covid and it is individual sims damn right it illegal have removed sim will use whatapps and voip now

agoodpunt

agoodpunt wrote: »

just because it done in the name of covid and it is individual sims damn right it illegal have removed sim will use whatapps and voip now

What even is grammar?

Ubbquittious

In years gone by the "anonymising" process for this kind of thing has been flawed by certain operators

Two lads around the laptop in the DoH;

"Jaysus Matt, would ya ever look at this yoke? He's 12kms from home now and no sign of him stopping. It's the likes of him has us where we are for sure. Dirty fecker."

ligerdub

What I love about the defenders of this sort of act is that they will steadfastly state (without any reluctance) that "yes, this is true, they can and are tracking you, but they don't have your name or know who you are."

That's just nonsense! Rest assured if needs be they absolutely would be willing to do this.

Don't get confused into thinking that this is somehow a dismissal of this being of value. I personally don't support it, but if you do then that's fair enough. The dismissal of any concerns about privacy laws or people not wanting their every movement to be tracked in some database is ridiculous though, and I'm certainly not going to rely on the word of some techie journo with a moderate profile, nor am I going to go on the word of a large commercial enterprise.

Sleeper12

Kivaro wrote:

Irrespective of the possible good-intention motive, I still think it is a bad move, and probably illegal.

Nah. It's no different to what the likes of Facebook do each day. Actually Facebook is worse in that it sells the data.

This same data from three, Vodafone etc is used on Google maps and Tom Tom. When you see solid red roads on maps, this data comes from all the phones sitting in rush hour traffic. The amount of phones on a stretch of road and how long it takes to get from one part of the road to another is all collected and shared in real time with map companies.

Perfectly legal

Sleeper12

Deleted User wrote:

I heard they can't track you if you wrap the phone in tin foil.

That's fairytale nonsense. You need to wear a foil hat to stop them tracking you

Atlantic Dawn

Like something you would see in Russia. They are getting money for it too, it's not a civic duty the company is doing...

Three Mobile would not be drawn on the value of the contract nor the timeframe it covers, describing that information as “commercially sensitive”. However, it’s understood that the CSO will continue to provide the data each Monday for at least the next number of weeks.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40214021.html

Atlantic Dawn

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Like something you would see in Russia. They are getting money for it too, it's not a civic duty the company is doing...



https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40214021.html

It's almost the exact opposite of what you would see in Russia.

pjohnson

Sleeper12 wrote: »

That's fairytale nonsense. You need to wear a foil hat to stop them tracking you

Foil onesie.

frozenfrozen

the irony of op posting his link wrapped in google tracking stuff....

whisky_galore

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I heard they can't track you if you wrap the phone in tin foil.

I heard it can't be tracked if you leave it at home.

This govt have absolute disregard for privacy so all the tin foil and conspiracy remarks are, though expected from some, not convincing its all for the greater good..ask regina https://www-irishmirror-ie.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/public-services-card-report-data-20084625.amp?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16116924553835&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishmirror.ie%2Fnews%2Firish-news%2Fpublic-services-card-report-data-20084625

suicide_circus

Big Government is Good Government.

biko

Just wait until you hear what google can do..

I don't have a three phone. I'm outraged at not being tracked

Daz747

There are many avenues for income for companies such as Three. One thing is for sure, if they are passing on movement data etc... They would be expecting something in return.

I would assume governments would go to the likes of google for that information instead of a unreliable source such as Three

ohnonotgmail

whisky_galore wrote: »

I heard it can't be tracked if you leave it at home.

the only way to be really certain is to smash the phone with a hammer. a hammer mind, smashing it with something else doesn't stop it transmitting your information. Don't ask me to explain how that works.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the only way to be really certain is to smash the phone with a hammer. a hammer mind, smashing it with something else doesn't stop it transmitting your information. Don't ask me to explain how that works.

A hammer mind.....points finger like michael caine...

mikeym

The internet conspiracy 5g nutjobs will hit the roof

biko

From the article https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40214021.html

Mobile phone carrier Three is providing the aggregated movement data of its 2.4m Irish customers to the Department of Health and the CSO in order to monitor compliance with Covid-19 public health and movement restrictions.

The deal between the Department and Three sees the movement data from all handsets on the carrier’s network anonymised and grouped in order to show what proportion of people have been straying more than 10km from home.

It seems to me 3 are doing all the work and simply handing over anonymous reports of all its customers. Whether that is ok or not is up for debate but its aggregated data.

Wombatman

Is this GPS data or mast hits? If GPS, you can just turn it off right?

jmcc

Ubbquittious wrote: »

In years gone by the "anonymising" process for this kind of thing has been flawed by certain operators

The AOL search engine dataset is quite legendary for all the wrong reasons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AOL_search_data_leak

Regards...jmcc

Fann Linn

frozenfrozen wrote: »

the irony of op posting his link wrapped in google tracking stuff....

No issue with it personally, it's aggregated data plus I'm with Gomo!

Btw could you fix the link I was unable to post it properly, thanks?

frozenfrozen

Fann Linn wrote: »

No issue with it personally, it's aggregated data plus I'm with Gomo!

Btw could you fix the link I was unable to post it properly, thanks?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40214021.html

For Forks Sake

Sleeper12 wrote: »

That's fairytale nonsense. You need to wear a foil hat to stop them tracking you

circadian

Kivaro wrote: »

Can we be certain that it is completely anonymous?

No.

Dangerous saying it has been anonymised instead of stating that the data has undergone an anonymisation process.

nolivesmatter

What's the benefit to government in having this information? It's nearly a year now and based on how things have been handled so far I'd have no confidence in them putting it to any meaningful use.

Pentecost

They won't learn much from my movements at the moment anyway. At home, still at home, had a look outside, back in the house.

nullObjects

nolivesmatter wrote: »

What's the benefit to government in having this information? It's nearly a year now and based on how things have been handled so far I'd have no confidence in them putting it to any meaningful use.

I think for instance if they tell people to stay within 5km of their homes and they don't see the drop in cases they expect, then it would be worth knowing if the numbers didn't drop because 5km isn't enough or the numbers didn't drop because people are ignoring the restriction

I'm ok with them sharing my data in this case anyway

Dempo1

I'm guessing data won't be much use given 3"s coverage generally s****

Dempo1

Wombatman wrote: »

Is this GPS data or mast hits? If GPS, you can just turn it off right?

No, I believe its cellular data not GPS

paw patrol

nullObjects wrote: »

I'm ok with them sharing my data in this case anyway

you may be but I'm not.
I'm not owned by that state to track and trace.

Sure it's for covid - a noble cause but with all things can't see the cso stopping post covid this cos that data is useful.
3 won't stop cos it's a cash bump for them.

It's a slippery slope and anybody who cant see that isn't the full shilling.

ELM327

paw patrol wrote: »

you may be but I'm not.
I'm not owned by that state to track and trace.

Sure it's for covid - a noble cause but with all things can't see the cso stopping post covid this cos that data is useful.
3 won't stop cos it's a cash bump for them.

It's a slippery slope and anybody who cant see that isn't the full shilling.

Anonymous data?

Are you sure you know what is happening here?

paw patrol

ELM327 wrote: »

Anonymous data?

Are you sure you know what is happening here?

how anonymous? they haven't said.

I do a lot of work with data as part of my work in IT - anonymous data can be used to build a picture and suddenly you aren't so anonymous .

anyway we as citizens shouldnt be tracked - the point stands.

ELM327 wrote: »

Are you sure you know what is happening here?

and no , I'm not sure.
But I don't like what i do know.

ohnonotgmail

paw patrol wrote: »

how anonymous? they haven't said.

I do a lot of work with data as part of my work in IT - anonymous data can be used to build a picture and suddenly you aren't so anonymous .

anyway we as citizens should be tracked - the point stands.

it is aggregated mast data. the only info that was related to you was the imei number of your phone. that would be removed in the aggregation. if you dont want to be tracked then get rid of your mobile phone.