It’s a sin C4

WoolyJumper

The show does a wonderful job of creating these fleshed out real characters. They feel like people I know. The dynamic between them feels real and familiar. The show was really fun at times. Of course that made the show even more tragic. The deaths more poignant.

Richie was such a well thought out character. I didn't particularly find him likeable but I don't think he was meant to be. He was outgoing, a little obnoxious, self centred but also funny and caring at times. I know people like him.

His death in the end was so cruel. I found myself routing for him the whole way. I hoped he wouldn't test positive. I hoped he would be one of the few from that time that survived. I hoped that he would pass away peacefully surrounded by his friends. Unfortunately his death was as real as his character. I finished this a week ago and his death has stuck with me.

den87

HeyV wrote: »

I did the same last weekend, still in my head since. Best series I’ve watched since ... I actually can’t remember. SO brilliant.

Been in my head all day. Sitting down and bingeing it in one night, not being able to go to bed until I finished it is genuinely one of my favourite tv watching experiences (if that even makes sense). The ending is a gut punch that left me reeling.
Is it my favourite tv show? Probably not but if I sat down and made a list it’s probably top 10.

I’d gladly rewatch it at some stage.

t8010789

Highly recommend. Thumbs up to channel 4 for taking this on when others wouldn’t and for shining a light on this subject. It’s a programme that will live long in the memory.

JupiterKid

Watched Episode 4 last night. Very moving.

Just brilliant, moving and very poignant. I know what’s going to happen pretty much in the final episode now but at the same time, I wish some sort of miracle might happen. But I know it won’t.

It’s A Sin has left a big mark on me already and that is a sign of brilliant drama. This show should be used in sex education in schools, it shows that widespread homophobia, shame, stigma, fear and ignorance made the 1980s/90s HIV/AIDS crisis much worse than it might have otherwise been. The gay men (they were so very young really) who died in their droves must never be forgotten.

There is a salutary lesson for society in Its A Sin.

NSAman

What a fantastic series!

Available on HBO here in the States today and watched it all this evening.

Characters were just superbly evolved.

I won’t spoil the ending but seriously “got” me.

If only all TV were this good.

Crybabygeeks

What a show! Such an emotional rollercoaster. LOVED it! Deep and multi-faceted characters accompanied by excellent acting with such nuanced storylines. It really tugged at the heartstrings and nailed the brutality of the illness.

The amazing soundtrack completes it.

10/10.

cozar

Soundtrack on Spotify:)

Be right back

Crybabygeeks wrote: »

What a show! Such an emotional rollercoaster. LOVED it! Deep and multi-faceted characters accompanied by excellent acting with such nuanced storylines. It really tugged at the heartstrings and nailed the brutality of the illness.

The amazing soundtrack completes it.

10/10.

Keeley Hawes was brilliant in tonight's episode.

Mam of 4

Absolutely brilliant series from start to finish , extremely moving last episode tonight , am sad it's over tbh .

AndrewJRenko

Be right back wrote: »

Keeley Hawes was brilliant in tonight's episode.

Brilliant indeed - just wanted to slap her around the place, and surprised to find myself having more sympathy for the dad than for her.

Yyhhuuu

It's a Sin -What a poignant masterpiece. Another programme, although it didnt deal with Aids, but was very nostalgic for me as a young university student, was BBC's This Life. It was equally brilliant.( on you tube)

A whole generation of young people tragically lost to Aids. There are some good contemporaneous documentaries on you tube. I found the documentary about London Lighthouse, which was a hospice for Aids, quite moving. There are Irish patients and nurses featured in the London Lighthouse documentary. The hospice was very far sighted in how they approached Aids and very patient- focussed, not one bit clinical. Nurses didnt wear uniforms and were more like friends.

It seems as if both Regan and Thatcher wanted to turn a blind eye to the issue, until forced to act. They saw Aids victims as dispensible. Their inaction in even launching an education campaign at an earlier stage was bordering on evil.

Is this generation complacent about contracting Aids? The anti-retroviral medications are not without side effects.

CoBo55

Just watched the first episode, absolutely fantastic. I know it's gonna be a tough one, the music is fantastic. Love Keeley Hawes ever since Ashes to Ashes.
Having a family member who almost died from aids makes it a bit harder to watch but thats life. Luckily they're doing well thanks to modern medicine and St. James hospital.

Crybabygeeks

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Brilliant indeed - just wanted to slap her around the place, and surprised to find myself having more sympathy for the dad than for her.

I thought this was such an interesting twist. Clear that the dad was trying to atone for his behaviour and show love in Richie's final chapter whereas the mum just couldn't handle the truth. The scene in the hospital is just so ..raw....and amazing.

And I actually gasped at the end at the pier. Such a brilliant scene.

You can tell I loved this show

NSAman

The Missus watched this with me. A normally hard nose business woman, not prone to bursts of emotion (unless I don’t put the toilet seat down or put the cap back on the toothpaste).

Last night she was in tears. When I asked her what was wrong, she stated she had been thinking about that program. I didn’t realise that a program could bring back memories from the 80’s. Seems that someone close had died in the 80’s and old feelings had been stirred.

Needless to say something snapped and it all came flooding back.

First time, I have ever experienced this with herself.

CoBo55

Up as far as episode 3, it's brilliant, hard to watch isn't it? So sad the way they were treated. Brings back memories.

The White Wolf

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Brilliant indeed - just wanted to slap her around the place, and surprised to find myself having more sympathy for the dad than for her.

I found Richie's parents equally pitiful. The father's stupid bluster fell to pieces as you knew it would while the mother fell into this weird zone of indignation because another woman knew her son better than she did to an extent.

Ferris_Bueller

Just finished watching this over the last few nights. Wow, absolutely brilliant. One of the best shows I've ever watched. I loved how it was set over the course of a few years and you got to see the characters grow up, at first coming into themselves as young gay men, then absolutely loving life and living the life they all wanted, the struggles of finding work, paying rent, living in a world that being gay was so frowned upon at the time.

I had obviously heard about Aids and its severity but its not something I ever thought about and how scary it must have been at the time. I agree with whoever said it felt a little bit more real due to the current situation with Covid and how that started as something on the other side of the world before ending up on your doorstep.

I'm another who hasn't been able to stop thinking about it and the characters even after finishing it. Amazing show and the soundtrack was a belter.

fryup

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Brilliant indeed - just wanted to slap her around the place, and surprised to find myself having more sympathy for the dad than for her.

that was a twist wasn't it, you'd expect he'd be the very one angry & disappointed but it was the other way around

btw - did aids really cause lesions to the face? what a truly horrible way to die ...is it under control now or is it still a concern

gidget

For anyone that didn't get to see it, Jill Naldar was interviewed on Elaine on Wednesday. Should be able to watch it on player. .

Bredabe

fryup wrote: »

that was a twist wasn't it, you'd expect he'd be the very one angry & disappointed but it was the other way around

btw - did aids cause really legions to the face? what a truly horrible way to die ...is it under control now or is it still a concern

The lesions were Posey's sarcoma which was only seen in AIDS patients and a giveaway at the time.

There are significantly fewer cases of AIDS in the western world as there are drugs available to halt the* virus at the HIV stage. There are now prophylactic treatments available as well.

In African countries, the above is sadly not the case and is rampant there.

*strictly speaking those drugs keep the amount of virus in the system down so low as to make passing the virus on(in most cases) almost impossible while halting in most cases the conversion of HIV to AIDS.

have to say that I found the main character Ritchie an unsympathetic character on the whole - spent most of the time on screen ripping the piss out of his so-called mates but they all "loved" him

and the cop-out for him knowingly infecting other men with the then death sentence of HIV was because he himself was ashamed or something - nah.

CoBo55

glasso wrote: »

have to say that I found the main character Ritchie an unsympathetic character on the whole - spent most of the time on screen ripping the piss out of his so-called mates but they all "loved" him

and the cop-out for him knowingly infecting other men with the then death sentence of HIV was because he himself was ashamed or something - nah.

It wasn't a cop out as you put it, he was the HIV equivalent of our anti maskers, and yes to feel guilty that he denied being hiv positive and giving it to others does happen. Denial is a powerful and ultimately a very destructive emotion, from personal experience I thought it was very well portrayed. Would find it difficult to watch again tbh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_transmission_of_HIV

rightly he'd end up in gaol these days for that now, "denial" or not

CoBo55

CoBo55 wrote: »

It wasn't a cop out as you put it, he was the HIV equivalent of our anti maskers, and yes to feel guilty that he denied being hiv positive and giving it to others does happen. Denial is a powerful and ultimately a very destructive emotion, from personal experience I thought it was very well portrayed. Would find it difficult to watch again tbh.

Jill ->

"He was ashamed,
and he kept on being ashamed.

He kept the shame going
by having sex with men,

infecting them
and then running away."

Shame cited as the reason in the script, not denial.

They couldn't have possibly made it any clearer really.

CoBo55

glasso wrote: »

Shame cited as the reason in the script, not denial.

They couldn't have possibly made it any clearer really.

He was in denial earlier, he knew he had gotten HIV and chickened out of getting tested, eventually denial gave way to guilt and shame as he realised the enormity of what he had done. I thought it was very well done.

fryup

glasso wrote: »

have to say that I found the main character Ritchie an unsympathetic character on the whole - spent most of the time on screen ripping the piss out of his so-called mates but they all "loved" him

i didn't warm to him either, mainly cause he reminded me of this bitchy gay i used to work with, alway making snide/mean remarks about people...."oh but isn't he a character" others would say in his defence....to which i would reply "no he's a b@llocks"

Yyhhuuu

Bredabe wrote: »

The lesions were Posey's sarcoma which was only seen in AIDS patients and a giveaway at the time.

There are significantly fewer cases of AIDS in the western world as there are drugs available to halt the* virus at the HIV stage. There are now prophylactic treatments available as well.

In African countries, the above is sadly not the case and is rampant there.

*strictly speaking those drugs keep the amount of virus in the system down so low as to make passing the virus on(in most cases) almost impossible while halting in most cases the conversion of HIV to AIDS.

I would wish to correct the record:

It's Kaposi's Sarcoma- a rare Cancer. ( not Posey's Sarcoma).

cozar

Larry Kramer sky documentary great insight into Aids in the 90s

Bredabe

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Yyhhuuu wrote: »

I would wish to correct the record:

It's Kaposi's Sarcoma- a rare Cancer. ( not Posey's Sarcoma).

Genuinely curious, is there a difference between the two, beyond spelling or local usage?

Yyhhuuu

Bredabe wrote: »

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Genuinely curious, is there a difference between the two, beyond spelling or local usage?

No such thing as Posey's sarcoma

Bredabe

Yyhhuuu wrote: »

No such thing as Posey's sarcoma

So, common usage issues then. thanks for clarifying that for me.

The Princess Bride

If anyone is interested.

https://twitter.com/philipnormal/status/1366011795215892484?s=19

Mad_maxx

myself and the Mrs finished this last night , just do not get all of the hype ?

most of the characters were not explored in any depth , the Jill character had no life of her own and lived vicariously through the other characters , as my other half said it was like a teen drama only with explicit content

5 out of 10

Mad_maxx

Mad_maxx wrote: »

myself and the Mrs finished this last night , just do not get all of the hype ?

most of the characters were not explored in any depth , as my other half said it was like a teen drama only with explicit content

5 out of 10

the question is - will you be buying a "La" T-shirt?

Yyhhuuu

Mad_maxx wrote: »

myself and the Mrs finished this last night , just do not get all of the hype ?

most of the characters were not explored in any depth , the Jill character had no life of her own and lived vicariously through the other characters , as my other half said it was like a teen drama only with explicit content

5 out of 10

I agree it was over hyped.

Mad_maxx

Yyhhuuu wrote: »

I agree it was over hyped.

no exploration of the indian character , the welsh guy who died first was the most likeable though he was a complete welsh valleys stereotype for the most part .

the guy of nigerian descent was just a cliched screaming queen and his story involving Stephen Fry was stupid beyond belief , the bit with Mrs Thatcher was ridiculous .

the Jill character was like the reverse version of the gay guy who hangs around with a bunch of girls in school , we knew not a single thing about her , she existed for no reason whatsoever other than to support or help out the gay guys she lived with

the bit with the mother of one of the patients tearing into Keely Hawes was also stupid , why did she care so much in the first place that a woman she never met failed to spot that her son was gay ? , the Hawes woman was a silly woman of the highest order but thats not the point

the bit where the lead character went back to his home town and met his school friend was well done , as was the bit at the very end where the Jill character was using the hawes character as a metaphor for society as a whole where she accuses hawes of it being her fault. , overall though the Hawes character was kicked around too much , her son acted recklessly and was more or less given a pass. his friends acted responsibly early on.

it wasnt bad but its horrendously over praised , some going so far in print as to say it will be difficult for any show to top it in 2021

gimme a break

Yyhhuuu

Mad_maxx wrote: »

no exploration of the indian character , the welsh guy who died first was the most likeable though he was a complete welsh valleys stereotype for the most part .

the guy of nigerian descent was just a cliched screaming queen and his story involving Stephen Fry was stupid beyond belief , the bit with Mrs Thatcher was ridiculous .

the Jill character was like the reverse version of the gay guy who hangs around with a bunch of girls in school , we knew not a single thing about her , she existed for no reason whatsoever other than to support or help out the gay guys she lived with

the bit with the mother of one of the patients tearing into Keely Hawes was also stupid , why did she care so much in the first place that a woman she never met failed to spot that her son was gay ? , the Hawes woman was a silly woman of the highest order but thats not the point

the bit where the lead character went back to his home town and met his school friend was well done , as was the bit at the very end where the Jill character was using the hawes character as a metaphor for society as a whole where she accuses hawes of it being her fault. , overall though the Hawes character was kicked around too much , her son acted recklessly and was more or less given a pass. his friends acted responsibly early on.

it wasnt bad but its horrendously over praised , some going so far in print as to say it will be difficult for any show to top it in 2021

gimme a break

Would Jill be properly termed a " fag hag"?

I agree that It's a Sin was not as good as the raving reviews portrayed it. Programmes like BBC 's This Life ( available on you tube) were vastly superior in my opinion.

The good thing about Its a Sin is it shone a light on the appalling way gay people and heterosexual people hit by Aids were treated by both society and the establishment, ignored and shunned and left to die. The whole issue of Aids pandemic was initially ignored and swept under the carpet by Thatcher, Regan et al.

"This life" - that was a superb portrayal of the post-university experience and was a seminal piece of tv.

"It's a sin" seems lightweight in comparison, putting aside the HIV/AIDS and homosexual themes.

Mad_maxx

Yyhhuuu wrote: »

Would Jill be properly termed a " fag hag"?

I agree that It's a Sin was not as good as the raving reviews portrayed it. Programmes like BBC 's This Life ( available on you tube) were vastly superior in my opinion.

The good thing about Its a Sin is it shone a light on the appalling way gay people and heterosexual people hit by Aids were treated by both society and the establishment, ignored and shunned and left to die. The whole issue of Aids pandemic was initially ignored and swept under the carpet by Thatcher, Regan et al.

Mark Ruffallo starred in a far better Aids drama a number of years ago, HBO production

fryup

The Princess Bride wrote: »

If anyone is interested.

https://twitter.com/philipnormal/status/1366011795215892484?s=19

teletubbies ?

ShineOn7

How graphic are the gay sex scenes/sex scenes in general in this?

Beechwoodspark

glasso wrote: »

"This life" - that was a superb portrayal of the post-university experience and was a seminal piece of tv.

"It's a sin" seems lightweight in comparison, putting aside the HIV/AIDS and homosexual themes.

Would agree. I watched it’s a sin and to me it seemed childish. It was like a drama aimed at the after school teenage crowd.

Mad_maxx

ShineOn7 wrote: »

How graphic are the gay sex scenes/sex scenes in general in this?

they are very graphic but nearly all in the first episode , after that , its nothing too out of the ordinary

fryup

ShineOn7 wrote: »

How graphic are the gay sex scenes/sex scenes in general in this?

think Brokeback Mountain

ShineOn7

fryup wrote: »

think Brokeback Mountain

I've never seen it :pac:

fryup

think Milk then

Mad_maxx

fryup wrote: »

think Milk then

the one with sean penn ?

like Bert and ernie by comparison

fryup

were Bert & Ernie gay?

hmmm come to think of it they did sleep together

ShineOn7

fryup wrote: »

think Milk then

Haven't seen it since it was out in 2008 and I don't remember a single scene

Probably best I just give It's A Sin a go and see for myself if it's too much

fryup

here then watch the end of this video and you'll have an idea