The GAA Ban on "foreign" games

Edgware

dobman88 wrote: »

I'm not sure what your point is about rugby only schools. As far as I'm aware. There is no actual ban on GAA in those schools, they just concentrate on one sport.

Correct. They dont encourage the kids to play ice hockey either

ArielAtom

Deleted User wrote: »

As opposed to the half arsed focus and commitment required to make it to the top level in hurling and football??



You still have rugby only schools,where no GAA is played

Not sure if thats the case anymore, I know that both Terenure and St Michaels both field GAA teams. The might historically be rugby playing schools, but both are embracing other sports, often against traditional rugby playing/supporting parents in each school.

Tim Robbins

ArielAtom wrote: »

Not sure if thats the case anymore, I know that both Terenure and St Michaels both field GAA teams. The might historically be rugby playing schools, but both are embracing other sports, often against traditional rugby playing/supporting parents in each school.

The same schools also don't allow them to play Rugby for their local club. GAA also tends to be more the parish and most Rugby players play with their local club at some point until they have to make a decision.

neilmb

Strumms wrote: »

just goes to show you what a jokeshop mindset the GAA had and what wet brain dunderheads they had that would spend money, that could and should have been aimed to improve the sport and the enablement and enjoyment of it, instead to get to and into matches to see if the rumors that X player was playing soccer or even in attendance were true...

If it was going on in some communist backwater we’d be outraged but because in a way we are used to this organization and it’s whims, oddities and malevolence towards anybody and everybody who didn’t tow the line...being accepted and acceptable..

It must have been highly illegal too... ? Load of mutton headed bollocksology, like something from the deepest darkest ultra right wing fascist playbooks...

Whoa, harsh words (dunderheads/communist/malevolence/facist) .:eek:

Look whether you agree with the ban or not, its gone a lifetime ago and things have moved on. I live in a rural area and the local soccer and GAA teams actively communicate to ensure training times / friendly matches don't clash.

Both sides encourage they kids to participate in both.

To remain visibly bitter (deducted from the language used) about it seems odd to me.

ArielAtom

Tim Robbins wrote: »

The same schools also don't allow them to play Rugby for their local club. GAA also tends to be more the parish and most Rugby players play with their local club at some point until they have to make a decision.

I'm sure it's the Leinster branch that don't allow rugby in both school and club an Jnr and Snr cycle. I may be wrong, but looking at the amount of sessions they do in school it is not a bad thing.

Lost Ormond

Deleted User wrote: »

As opposed to the half arsed focus and commitment required to make it to the top level in hurling and football??

You still have rugby only schools,where no GAA is played

Very few of those schools now. Most have some teams playing in one competition or another even if its just games of gaelic between the rugby schools which there is a competition

ArielAtom wrote: »

Not sure if thats the case anymore, I know that both Terenure and St Michaels both field GAA teams. The might historically be rugby playing schools, but both are embracing other sports, often against traditional rugby playing/supporting parents in each school.

Many have always fielded teams in multiple sports. Roscrea always played rugby, gaelic. Take the COI schools away in terms of gaelic but nure have fielded gaelic sides for 20 years or so. Michaels, Rock and few others compete against each other in gaelic tournament

ArielAtom wrote: »

I'm sure it's the Leinster branch that don't allow rugby in both school and club an Jnr and Snr cycle. I may be wrong, but looking at the amount of sessions they do in school it is not a bad thing.

It is provincial rules for some competitions that kids in rugby schools cant play certain club competitions. Its schools not allowing any kids play with clubs in other cases.
It isnt a bad thing in some cases but also doesnt help retain quite a lot of these players into adult rugby when they finish school as a lot will have spent 5/6 years in school and not have played any rugby in a club so have no links to a club and its easier for them to drop out of the sport forever

ShyMets

Strumms wrote: »

It might not to you and your ilk, but sure, don’t worry about it

Not entirely certain what my ilk is. But I'm sure you'll let me know

Turfcutter

ArielAtom wrote: »

Not sure if thats the case anymore, I know that both Terenure and St Michaels both field GAA teams. The might historically be rugby playing schools, but both are embracing other sports, often against traditional rugby playing/supporting parents in each school.

Yes, it is the case in some famous rugby schools. Attempts to start up GAA teams have been shot down at source.
They don't officially ban GAA though, so that's fine apparently...

Turfcutter

dobman88 wrote: »

A soccer academy can lead to a professional sports career. GAA cannot by playing football or hurling. That's why soccer academies wouldn't want their players playing other sports. They're assets to professional or semi-pro clubs.

That's why its different to an outright ban on "foreign" games to the GAA

Ah right, so attempting to monetise the young people under your supervision is far more honourable.

Lost Ormond

Turfcutter wrote: »

Yes, it is the case in some famous rugby schools. Attempts to start up GAA teams have been shot down at source.
They don't officially ban GAA though, so that's fine apparently...

Very few though. Small minority who may do that. Most do have teams either in the main GAA schools competitions or in competitions played by the rugby schools alone after easter etc when rugby has slowed down/season ending

ArielAtom

Turfcutter wrote: »

Yes, it is the case in some famous rugby schools. Attempts to start up GAA teams have been shot down at source.
They don't officially ban GAA though, so that's fine apparently...

I'm just going on what I know of well established rugby schools playing GAA. Michaels supply more Irish internationals at present than any other school and they field GAA teams. Terenure had Keaney and Durkin as students, Blackrock had MDMA.

I see sheep

Read this last week in an article about Irish NFL star Neil O'Donoghue's father -
Think it's brilliant :cool:

Mick O’Donoghue was born in Cork but raised in Spiddal in Connemara, where he spoke Irish and played hurling. His Fíor-Ghael credentials were strong, then, when he moved to Dublin to take a job with CIE, then still known as Great Southern Railways.

He played club hurling in Dublin, but the main sports on offer through his employers’ sports division Railway Union were enough to make the Gael break out in a cold sweat: cricket and hockey.

When a flu outbreak left the Railway Union hockey team depleted ahead of a game, Mick eventually gave in to his proselytising of his colleagues and agreed to play.

Within two years he was full-back for the Irish hockey team, from which he didn’t budge for a decade and won a triple crown, hurling away around the vacant fringes of the weekend.

Later in life, Mick told Coli that his finest sporting achievement wasn’t made between any white lines: it was his becoming the first Catholic president of the Irish Hockey Union in 1949.

“It showed his ability to move in strange circles”, says Coli.

Perhaps the root of Mick’s versatility was a healthy agnosticism toward sacred cows. His international hockey exploits were not undetected by the GAA’s Vigilance Committee and thus he was hauled before a three-person GAA panel on O’Connell Street, charged with contravening Rule 27, the ban on playing foreign sports.

Mick arrived and sat in front of the panel, and was asked to respond to the charge. He admitted in Irish that, yes, he was playing field hockey for Ireland in an international match against Scotland. The trio in front of him had the confession they sought, but they had one slight problem: they couldn’t understand a word of it.

They asked Mick to speak in English, which he refused by saying, “If I have to be tried, I want to be tried in Irish.”

The case was dismissed, and the story made a national newspaper beneath the headline, “The Three Wise Nationalist Men.”

https://www.the42.ie/neil-odonoghue-4987179-Feb2020/

StupidLikeAFox

Not really what your looking for, but I read once that Liam Brady was due to play under age for ireland on the same day his school had a gaa match. He was told that if he played the soccer match he would be expelled. The story got out and the school had to back down in the end

feargale

I see sheep wrote: »

Read this last week in an article about Irish NFL star Neil O'Donoghue's father -
Think it's brilliant.

They asked Mick to speak in English, which he refused by saying, “If I have to be tried, I want to be tried in Irish.”

The case was dismissed, and the story made a national newspaper beneath the headline, “The Three Wise Nationalist Men.[/B]” [/I]

https://www.the42.ie/neil-odonoghue-4987179-Feb2020/

That's a great story. I never heard it before.

dobman88

Turfcutter wrote: »

Ah right, so attempting to monetise the young people under your supervision is far more honourable.

I've no idea whether it is or isn't. Its just the way it is.

feargale

ShyMets wrote: »

Not entirely certain what my ilk is. But I'm sure you'll let me know

Strumms takes a very strong line on bigotry. :rolleyes:

Tim Robbins

ArielAtom wrote: »

I'm sure it's the Leinster branch that don't allow rugby in both school and club an Jnr and Snr cycle. I may be wrong, but looking at the amount of sessions they do in school it is not a bad thing.

Correct it is. It used to be an outright ban. Now the school can only nominate its top 30 players and only if they are a Section A school.

Lost Ormond

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Correct it is. It used to be an outright ban. Now the school can only nominate its top 30 players and only if they are a Section A school.

Thats not true and Tim section A are lowest level of schools. It hasnt ever been an outright ban. There has always been ways for players in rugby schools to be released and eligible to play club youths rugby

Tim Robbins

Turfcutter wrote: »

Yes, it is the case in some famous rugby schools. Attempts to start up GAA teams have been shot down at source.
They don't officially ban GAA though, so that's fine apparently...

They generally play a small bit of GAA and don't have an issue with this as most players can play GAA for their local club where as the Leinster Branch and the school won't let them play for their local Rugby club.

The best way to facilitate both GAA and Rugby is to leave GAA more to the Summer and Rugby more to the Winter but it has been the GAA extending their season more and more eating in Rugby, so that now it's very hard to play both once you hit 15 or so. Whereas it used to be doable for your full sporting career.

Lost Ormond

Tim Robbins wrote: »

They generally play a small bit of GAA and don't have an issue with this as most players can play GAA for their local club where as the Leinster Branch and the school won't let them play for their local Rugby club.

The best way to facilitate both GAA and Rugby is to leave GAA more to the Summer and Rugby more to the Winter but it has been the GAA extending their season more and more eating in Rugby, so that now it's very hard to play both once you hit 15 or so. Whereas it used to be doable for your full sporting career.

Leinster or other provinces not letting some players in schools playing main club competitions isnt a bad thing. Its clubs not doing enough to play other competitions or even just tours for these players.

Tim Robbins

Lost Ormond wrote: »

Leinster or other provinces not letting some players in schools playing main club competitions isnt a bad thing. Its clubs not doing enough to play other competitions or even just tours for these players.

It can irk some people who don't go to a Rugby school when they see half their players gone at U15 and team fall apart. Nothing like this happens in any other sport.

Lost Ormond

Tim Robbins wrote: »

It can irk some people who don't go to a Rugby school when they see half their players gone at U15 and team fall apart. Nothing like this happens in any other sport.

Gaelic football and hurling are summer sports so its completely different.
Soccer doesnt have need for it and while the schools tournaments are big and important its primarily about clubs and what they do.

And if looking at clubs across country as a whole very few clubs who lose half there players from u14/15 to schools.

Tim Robbins

Lost Ormond wrote: »

Gaelic football and hurling are summer sports so its completely different.
Soccer doesnt have need for it and while the schools tournaments are big and important its primarily about clubs and what they do.

And if looking at clubs across country as a whole very few clubs who lose half there players from u14/15 to schools.

Yeah I like that about Gaelic Football, ground is hard, ball is dry - way prefer it in the Summer.

feargale

All banned:

Sean O'Connell, Derry,
Leonard McGrath, Galway
Gerry Culliton, Laois
Joe Stynes, Dublin
Con Martin, Dublin
Paddy Andrews, Dublin,
Paddy Neville, Dublin.