When was the moment Irish people became docile and spirtitless?

badabing106

I wonder what the likes of Countess Markievicz and Collins would think of Ireland's recent history?


Could you imagine French government/people or british government/people or any developed western country being cool with bankrupting its own people in favour of third party bond holders

And then electing them to run the country 8 years later

The format of the late late show, Ireland's most popular show by a mile showcases this docility . This "light entertainment show" heavily relies on misery and sorrow and submission to this day.It has literally taken over from the Church, the host even gives a weekly sermon in how we should behave

corner of hells

badabing106 wrote: »

I wonder what the likes of Countess Markievicz and Collins would think of Ireland's recent history?


Could you imagine French government/people or british government/people or any developed western country being cool with bankrupting its own people in favour of third party bond holders

And then electing them to run the country 8 years later

The format of the late late show, Ireland's most popular show by a mile showcases this docilty . This "light entertainment show" heavily relies on misery and sorrow and submission to this day.It has literally taken over from the Church, the host even gives a weekly sermon in how we should behave

Dont look at the Late Late Show , you'll be fine with everything else.

irishgrover

badabing106 wrote: »

I wonder what the likes of Countess Markievicz and Collins would think of Ireland's recent history?


Could you imagine French government/people or british government/people or any developed western country being cool with bankrupting its own people in favour of third party bond holders

And then electing them to run the country 8 years later

The format of the late late show, Ireland's most popular show by a mile showcases this docilty . This "light entertainment show" heavily relies on misery and sorrow and submission to this day.It has literally taken over from the Church, the host even gives a weekly sermon in how we should behave

I imagine that Collins would be fairly active on twitter
Markievicz would probably be more on an insta person.

Don't ever watch the late late show. It's bad for your mental health. With the exception of the toy show

Shakey_jake

I look forward to a united ireland when we can have a few northern brethren to shake this country up

whisky_galore

2.57 in the afternoon.

McGinniesta

when **** wasn;t a sin anymore

RobbieTheRobber

badabing106 wrote: »

I wonder what the likes of Countess Markievicz and Collins would think of Ireland's recent history?


Could you imagine French government/people or british government/people or any developed western country being cool with bankrupting its own people in favour of third party bond holders

And then electing them to run the country 8 years later

The format of the late late show, Ireland's most popular show by a mile showcases this docility . This "light entertainment show" heavily relies on misery and sorrow and submission to this day.It has literally taken over from the Church, the host even gives a weekly sermon in how we should behave

10-01-2008

Strumms

They’d be repulsed that they and a country and its citizens that revolted against the tyranny of British rule are now complicit themselves in the subversion of the laws, safety, expectations and wellbeing of its own country and citizens.

RobbieTheRobber

Strumms wrote: »

They’d be repulsed that they and a country and its citizens that revolted against the tyranny of British rule are now complicit themselves in the subversion of the laws, safety, expectations and wellbeing of its own country and citizens.

Yeah probably best if we changed the name of the country eh strummy

Strumms

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Yeah probably best if we changed the name of the country eh strummy

Yes, might go to Republic of lala land next.

Thelonious Monk

Aren't we one of the richest countries in the world with a very high living standard, peace, opportunities etc.?
I'd say Markievicz would want to be cryogenically frozen and woken up now if she knew how good we have it. There was real poverty in her time, now you can get put up in a hotel until you're given a house. Plus her sister was a lesbian, she could get married now.

biko

Sure, even at the time of the revolution many docile people were anti-Ireland, waving their little Jack flags.

Thelonious Monk

biko wrote: »

Sure, even at the time of the revolution many docile people were anti-Ireland, waving their little Jack flags.

I think they were just happy with the status quo more so than being anti Ireland. I don't think Scottish people who voted to stay in UK are anti Scottish.

.anon.

Uh dunno lol

sheesh

why are you watching the late late?

Feisar

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I think they were just happy with the status quo more so than being anti Ireland. I don't think Scottish people who voted to stay in UK are anti Scottish.

That’s usually the case, if yer doing well and have prospects etc yer not going to want to upset the apple cart. Not to many people from the Lisburn Road in the IRA

Eduard Khil

When Dev had The Big Fella taken care of or it might have been when Dev let Schrodinger set up a mad let's do weird stuff lab in Dublin, he was the devil auld Dev

fryup

1922

raven41

badabing106 wrote: »

I wonder what the likes of Countess Markievicz and Collins would think of Ireland's recent history?


Could you imagine French government/people or british government/people or any developed western country being cool with bankrupting its own people in favour of third party bond holders

And then electing them to run the country 8 years later

The format of the late late show, Ireland's most popular show by a mile showcases this docility . This "light entertainment show" heavily relies on misery and sorrow and submission to this day.It has literally taken over from the Church, the host even gives a weekly sermon in how we should behave

Think a lack of a credible alternative has something to do with our political situation in this country. ff/fg are pretty much like 2 sides of the same coin and civil war politics aside I cant see a reason why they dont amalgamate into Fianna Gael or something.
The Late late of yesteryear was a different beast altogether. In pre internet times it was like this very forum, a chance for people to trash out issues and discuss the stories of the day.Source of many Monday morning water cooler moments. Remember Peter Sellers/Ustinov, Richard Harris, Michael Caine being interviewed at length. And I mean, not the US chat show 10 min segment but an hour long stint complete with fag in hand and lots of humorous anecdotes. Nowadays the internet (and Graham Norton) dishes up all your celeb requirements.
Still cant understand Rte's obsession with cancer,sick kids,death etc. Its not like they are bombarding us with covid misery on a daily basis. Find Tubs to be patronising and condescending at best. I reckon he thinks he understands the mood of the nation and is steering the country throught some choppy waters with his morning show. Me, I avoid it like the plague...

JasonStatham

badabing106 wrote: »

I wonder what the likes of Countess Markievicz and Collins would think of Ireland's recent history?


Could you imagine French government/people or british government/people or any developed western country being cool with bankrupting its own people in favour of third party bond holders

And then electing them to run the country 8 years later

The format of the late late show, Ireland's most popular show by a mile showcases this docility . This "light entertainment show" heavily relies on misery and sorrow and submission to this day.It has literally taken over from the Church, the host even gives a weekly sermon in how we should behave

I don't think Irish people are docile and spiritless. Recent events and all the outrage going with it shows we're a bunch of whingey bollixes

Strumms

JasonStatham wrote: »

I don't think Irish people are docile and spiritless. Recent events and all the outrage going with it shows we're a bunch of whingey bollixes

Whingey bollixes don’t tend to achieve much though.... I worked in a job full of whingey bollixes... in the canteen plenty of mouth about what’s ok, what’s not ok, this manager, that manager....getting screwed left right and center...etc... all valid concerns and complaints..usually anyway

Me : “ ok, have you talked with the manager or escalated the issue ? “

Them : “ errr no “

Me : “ did you think about bringing it up at yesterday’s meeting ? “

Them : “ ahhh sure what’s the point, anyway, pay review meetings are soon, can’t rock the boat “

Me : “ ok, I’m not your psychologist, either do something about it or stop annoying people with an abundance of pissfoolery “

The Irish are indeed too docile... say what you want about the French but if a workplace issue, political issues for example, talk, then march , maybe even civil disobedience...they DO.

The only people who kicked up during covid were the anti restriction and anti mask fûckwits who should be allowed quite frankly to drown in their own vomit.


We are too subservient here....

“ Jesus, that was a real stroke of luck getting that job “

No it wasn’t, you were the best and most suitable and impressive candidate.

Most of us were brought up “ god you are lucky to have a job, keep the head down and blahhh “

Instead of that...it should be.. “ god, THEY are lucky to have YOU “

Irish people need to be more valuing of themselves, take less shît, write the rules instead of following them...

rossie1977

US was practically bankrupted by Republican party in 2008 and yet they voted them back in as President, majority House and senate just 8 years later despite economy surging back under Democrat president.

Nobody in UK should ever vote Tories after disaster of 70s and Thatcher years.. yet here we are.

I never watch Late Late. Its funny nobody complained when Gaybo told you what to think for all those decades...

Thelonious Monk

I will never understand why anyone would watch Ryan Tubridy or the Late Late Show. I do my best the avoid Irish stations outside of the news, even the ads are unbearable. Paul McGrath selling curry sauce, cringe.

Hyperbollix

Don't think it's a lack of spirit or being docile...

Everyone in Ireland is new money. We were delighted when we finally got it in the late 90's and early 2000's and everything since the '08 crash has been an effort to get us back to where we were. We're not going to mount a socialist revolt against the extremes of unbridled capitalism. We don't give a fúck as long as we can order that 21 reg plate and head somewhere nice on our hols.

Centuries of poverty, destitution and misery have given Irish society a collective acceptance that the norm is usually shít. We should just be happy when it's not shít for a while and try to keep that going.

kowloon

I think we're crediting the Late Late Show with a lot of influence. I don't think I'm alone in watching zero broadcast tv.

Church on Tuesday

With the death of brave Cú Chulainn.

friendlyfun

2010. The reaction towards the bailout and the FF government.

Gregor Samsa

Markievicz's and Collins' (supposed) opinions on these or any other matters wouldn't, and shouldn't, have any more weight than anyone else's.

I never understood the notion that any nation should be held hostage to the beliefs of its historic founding fathers (and mothers). You end up creating mythical secular saints that can't be questioned, but who's legacy can be, and is, manipulated in all kinds of ways.

As for the Late Late, with a viewership of about 500,000, it's pretty easy to be one of the 90% of the population that doesn't watch it.

TheValeyard

Think they'd be proud of how far we've come as a nation. The obstacles we've overcome, the challenges we've met and our place on the world stage.

The J Stands for Jay

badabing106 wrote: »

the late late show, Ireland's most popular show by a mile

Any proof for that? I don't know anyone who watches it. Maybe it's the most popular show out of all the shows on Saorview, at that time slot, but I'd say most people are doing/watching something else.

The J Stands for Jay

McGinniesta wrote: »

when **** wasn;t a sin anymore

Advice to OP: have a ****, you'll feel better.

screamer

When they started fluoridation of the water....... I often think the revolutionaries would vomit to see the country that they have their lives for. Replacing one set of oppressive rulers with a bunch of snivelling cronies and their family members, and it’s been that way since the foundation of the state.

Edgware

By the late 20s Collins would have had a nice little dictatorship sorted. He would have long realised the inevitable military failure which would have occurred if he had attempted to invade the six counties. It took De Valera to get rid of the British from the Treaty ports. Collins would be getting goose stepping lessons from his old pals in Berlin and Rome. Markievitz went anti Treaty so would probably be running a bistro in New York with all the others who couldnt get employment in Ireland

The One Doctor

Hyperbollix wrote: »

Don't think it's a lack of spirit or being docile...

Everyone in Ireland is new money. We were delighted when we finally got it in the late 90's and early 2000's and everything since the '08 crash has been an effort to get us back to where we were. We're not going to mount a socialist revolt against the extremes of unbridled capitalism. We don't give a fúck as long as we can order that 21 reg plate and head somewhere nice on our hols.

Centuries of poverty, destitution and misery have given Irish society a collective acceptance that the norm is usually shít. We should just be happy when it's not shít for a while and try to keep that going.

Appropriate username.

Your Face

Politically there is very little choice for change unless one is going to vote outside the traditional parties.
Therein lies the problem, as the smaller parties all seem a bit peculiar.

Markcheese

Edgware wrote: »

By the late 20s Collins would have had a nice little dictatorship sorted. He would have long realised the inevitable military failure which would have occurred if he had attempted to invade the six counties. It took De Valera to get rid of the British from the Treaty ports. Collins would be getting goose stepping lessons from his old pals in Berlin and Rome. Markievitz went anti Treaty so would probably be running a bistro in New York with all the others who couldnt get employment in Ireland

Was Colin's a facist ? ( Or would he have been )
Maybe if he hadn't been shot we'd have had the border commission and instead of the six counties there'd have been the 2 counties , maybe not ..
Maybe we'd wouldn't have had the economic war ,and been better off ,or would have had a massive economic crash in the 30s anyway ..
maybe we'd have let britain use the " treaty ports" in world war 2, and had the ****e bombed out of cobh and Cork, maybe we'd have sold as much agricultural produce as possible to the allies while still being neutral
No one can really say ..
Was Collins a lefty ? He was of small farming stock but hey musolini started as a socialist ,would he have been under the thrall of the church ?

Might as well ask what would do fionn mcCool have though of brexit ..

EmmetSpiceland

I, personally, think a lot of Irish lads got fairly docile after the crash in 08. So much so, that we now have a large surplus of 30-something year old “manchildren”, some are even in their 40s. They live their lives online, playing computer games, watching wrestling and MMA cage fighting.

While the rest of us are “getting on” with things in the real world this lot are spending all their time complaining with other dangerously deluded oddballs, with fogged up glasses, about Lottie Ryan, female politicians and other, random, nonsense they consider “woke”.

There was always that “cohort” working in IT, the greasy haired crowd with unkempt beards. But this new subgroup of angry “midwits”, the type who hate women but can’t even talk to them, could really do with “drying out” from the hardcore gonzo pornography and spending some time away from the computer.

We’re going to need all the help we can get once the country “opens up” again, hopefully in the near future, so instead of seething over ‘The Late Late Show’ or braying at the TV while one lad pummels another lad in the head while he’s unconscious on the ground I’d recommend taking a “time out” and getting some fresh air. Within the 5k limit, of course.

Together, we can bring back the “spirit” of this great nation. It just requires rolling up our sleeves and facing up to the real world.

MrMusician18

badabing106 wrote: »

I wonder what the likes of Countess Markievicz and Collins would think of Ireland's recent history?

If this is a genuine question and not just a right wing swipe at the current public health measures well then it's quite an easy one to answer. All revolutionaries end up disappointed with the country that results - largely because each one has a different idea about what the country should become. Revolutionaries are usually only united by a common enemy and little else. So nevermind 100 years down the line, the disappointment usually manifests itself in the decade after. For example we had Con Colbert and James Connolly on the same side in 1916. In the new country, what each of these wanted was the polar opposite of the other. Had these men survived '16 they wouldn't certainly ended up fighting each other later.

When revolutionaries come up against the necessary pragmatism of keeping everyone together and keeping the show on the road, the radicals either abandon their convictions or get left behind.

PCeeeee

badabing106 wrote: »

I wonder what the likes of Countess Markievicz and Collins would think of Ireland's recent history?


Could you imagine French government/people or british government/people or any developed western country being cool with bankrupting its own people in favour of third party bond holders

And then electing them to run the country 8 years later

The format of the late late show, Ireland's most popular show by a mile showcases this docility . This "light entertainment show" heavily relies on misery and sorrow and submission to this day.It has literally taken over from the Church, the host even gives a weekly sermon in how we should behave

Why are docile yourself?

John Doe1

When they put the flouride in the water:D

Nah, it was when money/property became the new god here in the mid/late 90s

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

whisky_galore wrote: »

2.57 in the afternoon.

2:14 am Eastern Time, on August 29th, 1997

(Do it properly!)

badabing106

McGaggs wrote: »

Any proof for that? I don't know anyone who watches it. Maybe it's the most popular show out of all the shows on Saorview, at that time slot, but I'd say most people are doing/watching something else.

Last week it had a viewership of 744,000 which "equates to 50 % of available audience"

https://marketing.ie/late-late-figures-up-again

RTE is a political party with a manifesto of death, suffering and misery, and people are voting for them in their droves

RTE can't be blamed because they are giving the Irish people exactly want they want which is docility and sorrow

The Late Late Show is a mirror reflection to where the spirit of the Irish people is at now

dxhound2005

badabing106 wrote: »

Could you imagine French government/people or british government/people or any developed western country being cool with bankrupting its own people in favour of third party bond holders

I thought the yellow jackets were against the government? The French are very docile compared to us. They have water charges, and they had property tax long before us. Also a wealth tax.

Their reputation for protesting is based on selfish interest groups trying to get a bigger slice of the pie for themselves. The only principled protest this last few years was their massive march against same sex marriage.

johnboy1298

As with previous posters I'd agree the main reason we don't complain is because as a country we are very well off and our standard of living (under usual circumstances at least!) is very very good. This helps as it makes it a lot easier to forgot past issues.

I would say though that our political parties are poor and the way they deal with any sort of crisis is very poor. I don't see any great alternatives either which if anything makes it hard to get that improvement though.

The J Stands for Jay

badabing106 wrote: »

Last week it had a viewership of 744,000 which "equates to 50 % of available audience"

https://marketing.ie/late-late-figures-up-again

Thanks, that's sent me down an interesting rabbithole. TAM measure the watching habits of 1,090 households, or 2,700 people. So apparently we're calling the LLS a mirror reflection of the nation based on 1,350 people turning on rte on a Friday night during a lockdown.

Edgware

McGaggs wrote: »

Thanks, that's sent me down an interesting rabbithole. TAM measure the watching habits of 1,090 households, or 2,700 people. So apparently we're calling the LLS a mirror reflection of the nation based on 1,350 people turning on rte on a Friday night during a lockdown.

People watched it last week for three reasons:
1. There are people who always watch it
2. There are people who watch other channels but the LLS ****e was not as bad as the others
3. Then there are the people who watched because they had nowhere to go

dxhound2005

4. Those who watched it so they could complain about it on the internet.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Strumms wrote: »

Whingey bollixes don’t tend to achieve much though.... I worked in a job full of whingey bollixes... in the canteen plenty of mouth about what’s ok, what’s not ok, this manager, that manager....getting screwed left right and center...etc... all valid concerns and complaints..usually anyway

Me : “ ok, have you talked with the manager or escalated the issue ? “

Them : “ errr no “

Me : “ did you think about bringing it up at yesterday’s meeting ? “

Them : “ ahhh sure what’s the point, anyway, pay review meetings are soon, can’t rock the boat “

Me : “ ok, I’m not your psychologist, either do something about it or stop annoying people with an abundance of pissfoolery “

The Irish are indeed too docile... say what you want about the French but if a workplace issue, political issues for example, talk, then march , maybe even civil disobedience...they DO.

The only people who kicked up during covid were the anti restriction and anti mask fûckwits who should be allowed quite frankly to drown in their own vomit.


We are too subservient here....

“ Jesus, that was a real stroke of luck getting that job “

No it wasn’t, you were the best and most suitable and impressive candidate.

Most of us were brought up “ god you are lucky to have a job, keep the head down and blahhh “

Instead of that...it should be.. “ god, THEY are lucky to have YOU “

Irish people need to be more valuing of themselves, take less shît, write the rules instead of following them...

Or break the rules when they need be broken.

I love comparing Irish to French protests - in France, you get "we should so something!"; but in Ireland it's "someone should do soemthing!"

Then, as soon as somoene does, you hear, "what do those feckin eegits think they're going to achieve...? Just getting people's way!"

"What are YOU going to do when the revolution comes!"
Ireland - "lube up and bend over!"

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

dxhound2005 wrote: »

4. Those who watched it so they could complain about it on the internet.

5 - They watched it because it was Friday night and that's what they do on Friday nights.

blackvalley

The same docile spiritless instinct that makes us crave acceptance and validation for our existence on the world stage .For example when a new American president is elected we rush to prove that he has Irish connections and " Sure arent the Irish great " . People will squabble over whether his great, great, great, great ,great great grandfather was born in a boghole in Bohola or a dungheap in Dunboyne .
Newspapers spent most of the Summer fawning over some american actor who found himself stranded in Killiney, wondering if he liked us and would such a sophisticated creature survive on food from tesco .
There is some deficiency in our national psyche that makes us need to be liked.

Edgware

But de immigrants love us Joe