What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630671#Comment_120630671

It never ceases to amaze me how spectacularly preposterous it is to compare Donald Trump to genocidal maniacs like Stalin, Mao, and Hitler.

"Oh well, Donald Trump may not have started a genocide or killed millions of people or starved a country to death or implemented eugenics, but well, the comparison stands" - what an awful, almost sad and desperate form of argument.

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630671#Comment_120630671

But they didn't start that way. They moved to that end by being allowed to chip away, by people excusing their breaking the rules and norms, by agreeing that something had to be done and if that meant a bit of rule-breaking well the end justified the means. He called for a political opponent to be locked up for goodness sake. And his supporters accepted that she was guilty without trial or evidence purely because they wanted to get rid of a political opponent.

Trump publicly and very aggressively tried to overturn the democratic will of the US. That he didn't succeed is not because he didn't want to, or didn't do everything he could think of to succeed, it is because others stepped up to stop him.

Ao it isn't hyperbole to suggest that he would have accepted the POTUS position had the likes of Pence not stood their ground or had some of the governors he put pressure on folded. And once he had succeeded if overturning one democratic decision, why do you think he would stop there? Do you really think the 8-year limit would have just been accepted?

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630689#Comment_120630689

Firstly, he showed us what modern evangelical Christianity is all about: Selfishness and hatred.

What a sweeping and racist statement.

Burty330

"Trump refused to condemn actual Neo-Nazies"

Most people don't know the difference between objective fact and narrative. ^ That's a narrative.

The truth is this

It’s fine, you’re changing history, you’re changing culture, and you had people – and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats – you had a lot of bad people in the other group too.

Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.

Fair comments that apparently are not good enough. But when Robert Byrd says he's no longer a KKK member thats totally fine because we all know who he had under his wing.

Byrd grew up in West Virginia, which is where he got involved with the KKK.

“Many of the ‘best’ people were members — even senators and other high officials,” he wrote in his autobiography. “It was with such background impressions, therefore, that I sought to become a member of the KKK in the early 1940s.”

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630665#Comment_120630665

SO the best you can come up with is that he was stopped from subverting democracy and trying to steal the election.

Not that he didn't try to, or that he could be trusted not to, or what he might be capable of if he thought he could get away with it.

Do you even remember why you are posting here defending him?

The thread is about "What does the future hold for Donald Trump".

Even you say you he should not have a second term - don't you? That's a possible future.

As have many other posters, and listed the reasons, his personal flaws which manifest in court cases, the above documented attempts to subvert the democratic election.

And let's also add - found liable in a court of law for sexual assault.

Yet here you are countless post after post defending him.

Laughable pretence.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630741#Comment_120630741

So you're just happy to abuse that word despite complaining about "the left" allegedly doing it. How disingenuous.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630736#Comment_120630736

I'd like to say that thankfully he wasn't given the chance, but it's more to do with what drives him.

All he cares about is enriching himself. He doesn't have a grand philosophy like the others mentioned. All he cares about is money, money, money.

His constant grifting tells you all you need to know. Why can't an apparent "billionaire" afford an attorney? Why does he need his followers to donate to pay his bills?

It's mad that his supporters can't see that.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630665#Comment_120630665

But that logic, there's be no prosecutions for attempted murder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630752#Comment_120630752

Oh I'm perfectly willing to accept other criticisms of Trump and so on, and grifting is for sure part and parcel of US political culture. I see the entire nomination approach as generally attempts by many candidates to line their own pockets.

But that's an entirely separate point from the allegation that Trump wanted to establish a dictatorship and end democracy in the US as we know it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630750#Comment_120630750

If someone made your comment about a Muslim-majority country, you'd be the first to condemn them as racist.

I think it's similarly wrong for you to make the same kind of comment about people in the United States.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630748#Comment_120630748

ANYBODY that was at that parade is a racist white-supremacist , there were no "fine people" there simple as that.

If you turned up to that event in support of what was happening you are not a "fine person" , not holding a tiki-torch doesn't make it ok - his inability to see that is where the problem has always been in regard to that event.

Just like his refusal to condemn the QANON nutters because they vote for him - when asked about them he said "Well, they say nice things about me".

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630775#Comment_120630775

So when Trump condemns the people you claim he supported, you just deny his words.

...and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally.

It seems facts don't matter at this stage.

It's just whatever you want to believe about Trump is considered "fact".

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630750#Comment_120630750

You have just said this about a quarter of the US population

"He showed us what modern evangelical Christianity is all about: Selfishness and hatred. They couldn't care less about anyone else and now they've stopped pretending to be better than they are."

Thats a vile and racist statement in the true meaning of the word.

Try and substitute another religion in there and see the response you would get.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630797#Comment_120630797

The people accusing Donald Trump of racism seem to have no problem with other forms of racism.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630797#Comment_120630797

State of this.

Christians aren't a race. The idea that my race changes if I start attending mass is absurd.

I'd also like a source for the claim that a quarter of Americans are evangelical Christians.

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630741#Comment_120630741

It is neither racist nor sweeping. Evangelical, if it was any other religion it would be called fundamentalist, want their view of the world to be the view taken by society as a whole. So much so that they were willing to ignore nearly all their morals in their support of Trump because he could deliver to them a rigged SCOTUS to enable them to overturn the will of the wider public and condemn many women to massive pain and suffering. Those that do not agree with them, are not only happy to have them prosecuted in this life, they are happy to see them tortured for all eternity in the most extreme ways.

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630797#Comment_120630797

Lol calling Christianity a race, youve accidentally said the quiet part loud I think.....

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630807#Comment_120630807

Rubbish.

Are Jews a race ?

You think if I said "He showed us what modern Judaism/Islam is all about: Selfishness and hatred. They couldn't care less about anyone else and now they've stopped pretending to be better than they are." that wouldnt be viewed as racist ?

Hitler viewed the Jews as a weak, dangerous, and inferior race that did not belong in Germany.

Your statement above is racist, dont try to argue otherwise.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630791#Comment_120630791

No.. The point being made is that he tried to equivocate by claiming that there were "fine people" there as well - There were not.

If White Supremacists are holding a rally and you turn up in support you are not a "fine person" , simple as that.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630897#Comment_120630897

I'm talking about Donald Trump's own words.

Are you saying he's lying when he said, "...and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally"?

Because if you are saying he's lying, then it doesn't matter what Donald Trump says.

Because when he says something you believe he's honest about, then Trump is being honest.

When he says something you disagree with, then Donald Trump is lying.

You're trying to have it both ways.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630892#Comment_120630892

So no source and the usual tedious whataboutery. I'm not bothering with this nonsense any more.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630693#Comment_120630693

He didnt get to become dictator because Pence held firm. The constitution is fantastic but it is worthless if people don't uphold it.

Burty330

Agreed. White supremacists are not fine people. Neither are those who were mentored by one.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630914#Comment_120630914

I've been very clear about what I've said.

He condemned the Nazis but he continued to equivocate by trying to suggest that there were "fine people" on both sides.

There were not - ANYONE that turned to to support the protests about the removal of the statues is not a "fine person".

His equivocation was directly because he didn't want to risk offending people that might vote for him - He knew he wouldn't get away with not calling out Neo-Nazi's and White Supremacists , but by declaring that there were "fine people on both sides" he gave attendees at the rally (and like minded individuals watching him on TV) the ability to believe that he wasn't talking about them with his condemnations , they were obviously one of the "fine people" he was talking about so they would continue to support and vote for him.

Had he not said the "fine people" bit then everyone at the rally and the like-minded watching at home would have viewed him as calling them racists (which they were by the way) and he would have potentially lost some votes.

That is the point that is being made and has always been made about his repeated equivocations when asked to condemn groups that might be potential voters.

Hungry Burger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630520#Comment_120630520

Hillary Clinton has a bit of form for it.

https://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-maintains-2016-election-160716779.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmllLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFSdmhopgCqAxRVTSGv_rTh5j2ULQ5SD31px_IACkrI427L9eUoBCuCyvpcMr9Q7HNkWm2sa6kNZNrDXG49TQr64NhKRyOSEZ-ZHfgZ454JMxfgN25nsd6Y6zLD5Q4LpfRFbpHSB5WQJi56AydSrioVXhAmYGIu0837xAcX1huEh

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630982#Comment_120630982

Did she incite an insurrection as well or is this just another tedious deflection?

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630892#Comment_120630892

But Jews are not fundamentalists. You are trying to equate Christianity with fundamentalist Christians. They are not the same. We know very well want fundamentalist Christians to want. They don't want equal rights for LGBTQ for example.

If he had said that modern Judaism/Islam is all about..then he would have been right to be called out.

And what Trump showed is that they are willing to ignore their own morals if they can get what they see as something more important.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630736#Comment_120630736

Says the man who compared Marcus Rashford to Jimmy Savile.

Tippex

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630892#Comment_120630892

according to myjewishlearning.com the answer to your question is NO.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/are-jews-a-race/

The short answer is no — Jews are not a race. People who identify as Jewish include individuals of enormously diverse geographic origins and physical appearances, making the idea that Jews could easily be designated a race in the sense of shared physical or biological characteristics implausible.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120631096#Comment_120631096

Diane Abbott said the same thing as you a few weeks ago - that Jews do not face racism (because in her eyes, like yours, they are not a "race") and instead face "prejudice" the same way that "red-heads face prejudice". She was rightly condemned as anti-Semitic.

When it's abundantly clear to everyone else that anti-Semitism is a form of racism against Jewish people.

It's remarkable that something so obvious has to be pointed out. Yet again, the far-left expose their unshakeable commitment to anti-Jewish racism.

To think that the same people who condemn Donald Trump for being racist have no problem with the above shows that their claim to be more moral than the other side simply does not hold water.

relax carry on

I love those who immediately scoff at the idea of Trump being mentioned in the same breath as Fascist dictators such as Hitler. They always seem to think that anyone mentioning that means the Hitler at the end of his reign of terror in the bunker and not Hitler on the road to Fascist disctator. Some of Trumps time in the political sphere has quite a bit of similarity with the rise of Fascist disctators. The reasons he hasn't progressed any further than he has is due to his own utter incompetence at pretty much everything and the US Constitution to an extent.