What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118917039#Comment_118917039

Yes and he is able to pay back the loans because he is rich.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118917109#Comment_118917109

I already said, I'm not extraordinarily sociable but know two in Ireland and one in the US. Your logic is pretend they don't exist, don't ask don't tell style policies around different family units. Sesame Street literally covers different family units but you don't think the education system should cause innocence will be lost supposedly? For a guy who pretends to give a **** about children, you clearly don't.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118917138#Comment_118917138

You haven't established this claim.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118917145#Comment_118917145

You said you know one same sex couple in the US who have a kid. But if you compare that to how many 'traditional' families with a mother and father, you can clearly see that they are a tiny minority. And you yourself are a tiny minority to even know one of those families.

Do I want them to be treated differently? No.

Do I think kids should have the difference explained to them? Yes - when they are 8 and above.

Below that age I strongly doubt they would even be curious enough to see the difference.

Overheal

Re: ill effects of the law, I wonder what it says about the law that it was influenced by 'sexual deviants' who have since been excommunicated from their church?

https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/2022/04/desantis-faith-advisor-dismissed-from-church-leadership-after-past-history-of-sexual-sin-as-a-teacher/

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118917156#Comment_118917156

So because of your personal incredulity that a 4 year old might never ask, why does billy have 2 dads? lol.

It doesn't matter how small a box you try and fit same sex couples into, they have 14th amendment rights, human rights, etc. and I have yet failed to see any argument clearly established which compels anyone to agree that learning about the existence of such persons is equivalent to sexual degeneracy, or is otherwise equivalent to 'grooming,' as widely alleged.

everlast75

I think the issue here is that unless there is a smoking gun (and even then, that's not enough), people who believe that Trump is making a stand against some perceived injustice to them, that come hell or high water, he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

It is, without a doubt, cognitive dissonance at it's highest.

There is substantial evidence that

1) There is substantial evidence that he has ruined businesses, was notoriously bad with money, Doonbeg and other properties lost money hand over fist, that he has overvalued his properties and when people asked questions about that, he refused to fulfil an election promise and disclose his accounts. He took it to the SC after all. "but he is still rich"

2) that he has been politically inept. He was corrupt and impeached twice and with very good cause. "but he didn't deserve it"

3) that he was inextricably linked to the January 6 riots. He lost, pushed through the bogus stand that it was stolen from him and worked his followers up into a frenzy, but yet has fought the disclosure of emails and text messages with his staff which would prove his innocence "but it was just a few lunatics... he didn't know anything about it"

4) he has been sued for defamation for alleging those that have accused him of sexual assault and settled multiple cases out of court - "but he has no criminal record"

Despite the fact that he is a prolific liar, those that support him still don't believe the vast majority of what is alleged and refuse to accept that there is any "there there".

But like I said, when there is proof, what will it matter. He "stands up against the woke left" so **** it, who gives a sh1t, right?

duploelabs

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118917150#Comment_118917150

I'm still waiting too, but apparently it's 'petty' to hold someone to their word

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118917177#Comment_118917177

Listen, the law was passed, common sense prevailed. Let's leave it at that. If a great injustice has happened then I'm sure it will quickly be repealed and some activists will claim it as a "victory" and pretend that they were victims of some great oppression. It will appear wonderful on social media. But until then, some kids in Florida will be protected from the adult world of Bisexuals and Transgender activists.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118917225#Comment_118917225

You just spent a few hours defending this bill as 'proven,' nothing wrong with it etc. and now you're saying "I'm sure it will quickly be repealed"

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118917222#Comment_118917222

LOL you guys are pathetic. When Trump is forced to sell his properties to pay back the debts, then I'll agree with you. Until then, he is and always be a symbol of the best of 1980's America - materialistic, brash, wonderfully tacky and RICH!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118917249#Comment_118917249

Yes - I like to believe that the world learns from mistakes. If I'm wrong, and this law is as harmful as it's opponents claim, then I believe that it should be possible to persuade people to repeal the law. Is there something confusing you?

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118917280#Comment_118917280

Just because you say something doesn't make it true, what makes it true is linking it to independent verified reporting, have you anything as such?

Overheal

When Trump is forced to sell his properties to pay back the debts, then I'll agree with you.

Then it's glad you're in agreement: he sold his Trump DC Hotel to pay off debts. It was operating at a loss.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118917280#Comment_118917280

That day may come a whole lot sooner than you think.

What Trump has done repeatedly is not actually pay back his debts , but simply roll them over into new debt - So he pays off the old loan with a new loan and most of the loans are not ones with monthly repayments, they are single lump sum repayments with Interest at some time in the future.

This type of loan isn't all that uncommon in Property development - You get the loan to build the development , then you pay it all back in one shot when you have it sold after it's finished.

But Trump hasn't been doing that , he's just been re-financing over and over so that he never really pays anything to anyone from his own pocket.

His major problem now is that no one will lend to him any more money because he has stiffed too many people too many times. You also have the fact that his accounting firm have now said his accounts are worthless.

He has about a billion dollars in debt coming due in the next 12 months and he doesn't have the money to pay for it.

His golf courses are all losing money , his other properties are also losing money - Trump Tower that you keep quoting as evidence of his wealth has huge levels of empty units and when units come on the market for sale , no one is buying them. He's even taken to "renting" space in the building to his own PAC at 80k a month even though no one has ever set foot in the building - FYI , that's theft/fraud.

5th Avenue real-estate should be a license to print money , but Trump can't even manage that.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118917307#Comment_118917307

Just the part where you're trying to take the dual stance that it is both an unconstitutional and a good law?

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118916961#Comment_118916961

I'm not comparing homophobia to how it was or is in other countries, I'm looking at homophobia as it exists now. It's easy to dismiss it if you cherrypick things to compare it to in order to claim it's just the odd isolated incident here and there. It's easy to turn a blind eye to it altogether when you're not the one who has to experience it, and then claim it's no longer an issue.

It's easy for you to claim homophobia is dead and not coming back.

Homophobia exists here, now, today. It just doesn't exist to you because you're not the one who has to suffer through it. And that's one of the fundamental issues with Trump, the GOP, the "right" etc. If it doesn't affect them, it doesn't matter.

It's the height of selfishness and arrogance.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118917333#Comment_118917333

The sad part for him is none of his Russian oligarch friends are available to enter the chat. They're all still trying to evade the US Navy and Interpol etc in their yachts, they can't simply rent out any of those empty units anymore.

salmocab

During the referendum on marriage a lad I worked with was claiming that Ann and Barry books would have to have two dads after the referendum, this is the problem he heard that on the radio or saw it on Facebook and grabbed onto it.

conservatives often push the thin end of the wedge argument.

This thing will lead to this, kids under 8 being told that it’s okay that Billy has two dads will lead to grooming, because they want to link homosexuality with pedophilia, careful not to say it too clearly though just hint so as to put a veneer of goodness over whatever they are trying to justify.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118917351#Comment_118917351

Indeed, and his other problem is that most of that debt that's coming due soon carry his personal guarantee. They aren't "business loans" that he can hide behind a chapter 11 or yet another company collapse/bankruptcy.

He had to give the personal guarantees because no one trusted him not to just stiff them again by shuttering the company and hiding behind corporate bankruptcy laws.

It's part of why he's desperate to stand for election again , he thinks that he can ward off the impending foreclosures and asset seizures by claiming that they are "politically motivated" as he runs for Office.

Overheal

Right, @salmocab, because their edge case is valid, but when you mention you know more than a few same sex couples, scoff, well that's just a tiny drop in the bucket! etc. they don't matter!

salmocab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118917537#Comment_118917537

Words matter a lot in this, kids in families with same sex parents might be unusual due to being quite a low number but not for any other reason are they unusual and trying to use the word abnormal suggests something wrong but again careful to not push it too far, just enough to be able to pretend you have no issue but still getting the association of the word in.

Overheal

Abominations!

"I mean ... - they're abnormal."

It's part of why he's desperate to stand for election again , he thinks that he can ward off the impending foreclosures and asset seizures by claiming that they are "politically motivated" as he runs for Office.

Naturally, it's why he teased running years and years ago, why he ran in 2016, etc. he always has behind him lawsuits and unpaid debts etc. hounding him before he even announces. He had already ran out the Statute of Limitations on many potential crimes just by sitting in office for 4 years while SOL burnt up.

Beasty

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everlast75

Can we make this a sticky?

It'll be easier to spot those not interested in debating.

BruteStock

There's nothing in that Florida bill that even remotely relates to parents of same sex , same sex marriages , nor does it feature the word "Gay" even once. The bill seeks to prevent teachers from broadening the curriculum with matters such as gender identity and sexual orientation. When teachers drill into those topics they begin talking about transgenderism , non-binary , gender non-conforming , pronouns etc..

Weather openly or in secret , the majority of parents do not want highly idealistic young teachers exposing children aged 8 and younger to those conservations. Especially without their consent.

The bill was passed partly after Paterson Elementary school in Florida encouraged a girl to transition into a male without consulting her parents. She attempted suicide twice because - The court filing says that A.P. and the school had sought to keep her parents in the dark regarding her transgender identity due to their Catholic faith, which teaches that sex and gender are immutable. “Prior to the [suicide attempt], A.P. had not exhibited any signs of gender confusion or questioning of her biological sex,”

Jack Dorcy on the Joe Rogan podcast said they have a zero tolerance policy for mis-gendering people because of high suicide rates within that community. Thats something everybody would agree with for sure. The reason why suicide rates are high weren't touched upon however, but the point is clear. These are very serious and complicated matters that shouldn't be brought to the attention of young children. Not until they are older.

Idaho have a similar bill to Florida that I bet nobody was aware of.

https://idahocapitalsun.com/2022/03/07/idaho-house-passes-bill-that-could-lead-to-prosecution-of-librarians-for-harmful-material/

A dozen other states are in the process of doing the same. Because unlike the deceit and dishonesty espoused in the last few pages , parents aren't dumb enough to be gaslighted into believing the literal definition of the bill is to prevent people from saying gay. Because the bill is aimed at protecting the innocence of children , this is a hill the scourge of woke idiots will certainly pop their clogs on. 🤠

https://www.npr.org/2022/04/10/1091543359/15-states-dont-say-gay-anti-transgender-bills?t=1649786487350

Overheal

The bill was passed partly after Paterson Elementary school in Florida encouraged a girl to transition into a male without consulting her parents. She attempted suicide twice because - The court filing says that A.P. and the school had sought to keep her parents in the dark regarding her transgender identity due to their Catholic faith, which teaches that sex and gender are immutable. “Prior to the [suicide attempt], A.P. had not exhibited any signs of gender confusion or questioning of her biological sex,”

I see a lawsuit was reportedly filed but cannot find the lawsuit itself, nor any evidence that it's gone to trial or that a verdict has been rendered. So this was a completely kneejerk law? Great! Those always work out the best.

These are very serious and complicated matters that shouldn't be brought to the attention of young children. Not until they are older.

In your expert, professional opinion no doubt, but why must a child who is not heteronormal be groomed by the school to present as heteronormal 'until they are older?'

A dozen other states are in the process of doing the same.

Which only tells us it's an election year and that they are all working in an extremely hamfisted and reactionary political manner to capture the phobias of their base once again. Fetuses, Illegals, and the Liberal Agenda, the Triumvirate of GOP wedge issue politics, which is all about being reactionary. Migrant Invasions, Selling Baby Parts, and Grooming Children to Kill Themselves now, of course.

Overheal

GOP have found a way to cut Democrats (and anyone interested in Democracy for that matter) completely out of the gerrymandering/redistricting process, making it now entirely partisan in nature.

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/desantis-to-draw-floridas-congressional-map-in-rare-move-denounced-by-state-dems-as-dangerous-and-undemocratic/

banie01

Just on that topic of the empirical proof or otherwise of Trump's wealth.

That'd be his tax returns. Those things that he keeps putting off releasing. His own accounting of personal assets, liabilities and in the US, his carried forward losses.

Releasing those?

That'd scupper that pesky NY civil tax case. It'd probably also scupper the SDNY case because his declarations would surely tally with all the loan and consolidation paperwork. The values and assets declared would be consistent across all his paperwork wouldn't it?

That's empirical enough for Uncle Sam, wonder why he is always so reticent about them?

relax carry on

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118917138#Comment_118917138

Round and round we go. He's not as rich as he says he is and if you never pay your bills then we can all be rich. Most of his business ventures have been disasters. He's bankrupted his businesses numerous times. He moves from one disaster to another all the while leaving a trail of destruction in his wake. He's inflated the value of his assets to secure some of his loans and the source of other loans are suspect to say the least. He's compromised conman who would have been a third rate used car salesman without the financial input of his father. In short, god knows just how "rich" the walking disaster of a businessman is.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-maga-business-bankrupt-b1789536.html