Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

aloyisious

looksee wrote: »

Its looking like there will be more of that video evidence, there is apparently a good deal of visual evidence that has not yet been seen.

There's probably not enough time left for the videos to have an effect on public opinion about the behaviour of those involved on behalf of Trump's insurrection to have the public getting on the backs of the senators in high enough figures to force a change in the senate GOP vote. Having some of those involved now saying they were only obeying orders in public doesn't help the leaders status. It might yet have the desired effect, just have to see if Trump's team pick up speed and performance. If they get to meet and/or converse with their client, any criticism might harm him yet. I'd LOL if he did and they walked off the stage.

Headshot

I feel like that the only way Bruce Castor can recover from yesterday is to deploy "I'm not a cat" defense.

robinph

Headshot wrote: »

I feel like that the only way Bruce Castor can recover from yesterday is to deploy "I'm not a cat" defense.

Or it turns out that he's a plant by the prosecution, but Trump is so desperate for any kind of legal representation that he figured he was better having someone there just to fill time instead of turning up himself.

looksee

robinph wrote: »

Or it turns out that he's a plant by the prosecution, but Trump is so desperate for any kind of legal representation that he figured he was better having someone there just to fill time instead of turning up himself.

Or he is so confident of being let off that it doesn't matter what his defence says, so long as there is someone there to fill the space.

Another 8 hours of that, dear lord.

Cody montana

Headshot wrote: »

I feel like that the only way Bruce Castor can recover from yesterday is to deploy "I'm not a cat" defense.

Deep state cat brah.
Bruce Catsoros!

I’ll take myself out, thank you very much.

looksee

Do you think there is any chance that, next time there is a school shooting, members of Congress will remember their own fear, shock and trauma?

robinph

looksee wrote: »

Do you think there is any chance that, next time there is a school shooting, members of Congress will remember their own fear, shock and trauma?

Did anyone offer them thoughts and prayers during the insurrection?

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1359535250309865472


More potential woes coming down the pike for The Donald.

PropJoe10

Deleted User wrote: »

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1359535250309865472


More potential woes coming down the pike for The Donald.

That could end up being a serious problem for him. The wording he used ("I just want you to find x number of votes") is clearly an attempt to get Raffensperger to "invent" votes that weren't there. That's a criminal offence. Very hard to weasel your way out of that one.

Itssoeasy

So according to the Washington post the house managers will start today’s proceedings with previously unseen footage from the events of January 6th. I mean they gave a hint of that yesterday. As much as Donald trump is an wholly unsympathetic person, even I felt a brief moment of sympathy yesterday when listening to his defence. I mean that first lawyer was a complete mess on many levels.

looksee

looksee wrote: »

Do you think there is any chance that, next time there is a school shooting, members of Congress will remember their own fear, shock and trauma?

They might but they will then remember the donations that the NRA make.

Reading about the latest shooting at a medical center in Buffalo Minnesota, where the lad was a known looper, you would have to wonder how he still had access to firearms.

StringerBell

looksee wrote: »

Do you think there is any chance that, next time there is a school shooting, members of Congress will remember their own fear, shock and trauma?

Is there any evidence they remembered their own fear shock and trauma from pouring fuel on the fire of the trump lies? Not a chance, I checked out of the US gun discussion after sandy hook. If that didn't bring about reform nothing is going to.

duploelabs

DubInMeath wrote: »

They might but they will then remember the donations that the NRA make.

Reading about the latest shooting at a medical center in Buffalo Minnesota, where the lad was a known looper, you would have to wonder how he still had access to firearms.

Gun shows don't do the background checks as any 'normal' retailer would

12gauge dave

looksee wrote: »

Do you think there is any chance that, next time there is a school shooting, members of Congress will remember their own fear, shock and trauma?

Its a bit of a reach comparing a school mass shooting to the capitol hill riot when the only person killed by a gun was from a police officers firearm.

Tell me how

12gauge dave wrote: »

Its a bit of a reach comparing a school mass shooting to the capitol hill riot when the only person killed by a gun was from a police officers firearm.

For the love of God man, they're not talking about body count or how they died.
They're talking about remembering the sensation of cowering under a desk or behind a door knowing that there is someone feet away who is intent on doing you harm.

12gauge dave

DubInMeath wrote: »

They might but they will then remember the donations that the NRA make.

Reading about the latest shooting at a medical center in Buffalo Minnesota, where the lad was a known looper, you would have to wonder how he still had access to firearms.

StringerBell wrote: »

Is there any evidence they remembered their own fear shock and trauma from pouring fuel on the fire of the trump lies? Not a chance, I checked out of the US gun discussion after sandy hook. If that didn't bring about reform nothing is going to.

duploelabs wrote: »

Gun shows don't do the background checks as any 'normal' retailer would

Tell me how wrote: »

For the love of God man, they're not talking about body count or how they died.
They're talking about remembering the sensation of cowering under a desk or behind a door knowing that there is someone feet away who is intent on doing you harm.

Then why bring up the NRA gun shows and gun reform or did you miss those posts?

Muahahaha

The current speaker Stacey Plaskett is very impressive, she is giving a forensic level of detail from far right sites about how Trump supporters were organising a violent insurrection on Jan 6th

12gauge dave

12gauge dave wrote: »

Then why bring up the NRA gun shows and gun reform or did you miss those posts?

They understand causality

Itssoeasy

This new security footage and the whole presentation with a model is very well done.

banie01

Plaskett's presentation of the security footage and the timeline is very compelling.

Her call to emotion regarding her 9/11 experience of of being a staffer at the capitol, of the flight 92 sacrifice and contrasting that act of patriotism with the heinousness of the "patriots".

Officer Eugene Goodman is a man with nerves of steel tbh!
Unbelievable coolness under pressure.

I know this is a political rather than judicial trial.
But the weaving of narrative here by the impeachment team is absolutely masterful.

They have tied Trump's tweets, actions and words to each and every aspect of the insurrection.
They have lain bare his disdain for the GOP and Trump's willingness to burn the house down if he couldn't own it!

Masterful mooting and prosecution IMO, a model for prosecutorial presentation.

Itssoeasy

That police officer that lead the rioters away from the senate chamber. He’s shown turning senator mitt Romney around and going the opposite way from where the rioters.

Cody montana

Video footage is pretty disturbing.

Leroy42

banie01 wrote: »

Plaskett's presentation of the security footage and the timeline is very compelling.

I know this is a political rather than judicial trial.
But the weaving of narrative here by the impeachment team is absolutely masterful.

They have tied Trump's tweets, actions and words to each and every aspect of the insurrection.
They have lain bare his disdain for the GOP and Trump's willingness to burn the house down if he couldn't own it!

Masterful mooting and prosecution IMO, a model for prosecutorial presentation.

We all know that there is no chance that the GOP will vote to convict, it is Trumps party after all, but this outlying of the case really puts them in a real bind.

No one can watch that and think anything other than anyone who doesn't vote against Trump is doing so against the best interests of the country, of democracy itself.

Water John

It's putting the threat to assassinate Mike Pence, in the face of the GOP Senators. Let them vote that down by acquitting Trump.
Superb prosecuting line.

Itssoeasy

I’ve never heard from this congresswoman prior to this evening but she is doing a superb job in laying out a detailed timeline of the events with video.

Leroy42

Water John wrote: »

It's putting the threat to assassinate Mike Pence, in the face of the GOP Senators. Let them vote that down by acquitting Trump.
Superb prosecuting line.

Yeah, I have no time for Pence, but it must be galling to see that party that he gave his professional life to choose Trump over him.

How can he stay in the party after this?

Muahahaha

banie01 wrote: »

Plaskett's presentation of the security footage and the timeline is very compelling.

Her call to emotion regarding her 9/11 experience of of being a staffer at the capitol, of the flight 92 sacrifice and contrasting that act of patriotism with the heinousness of the "patriots".

Officer Eugene Goodman is a man with nerves of steel tbh!
Unbelievable coolness under pressure.

I know this is a political rather than judicial trial.
But the weaving of narrative here by the impeachment team is absolutely masterful.

They have tied Trump's tweets, actions and words to each and every aspect of the insurrection.
They have lain bare his disdain for the GOP and Trump's willingness to burn the house down if he couldn't own it!

Masterful mooting and prosecution IMO, a model for prosecutorial presentation.

She is doing a superb job. Its mad to think there are 50 Republican senators sitting there listening to this and the majority will still vote to acquit Trump. I wish the tv cameras would pan to them from time to time, no doubt they are squirming in their seats knowing they are going to legitimise an attack on the very democracy they are sworn to uphold.

Northernlily

Exceptionally put together timeline/trail of events.

Chilling at the same time. A very close call for the VP.

Detritus70

DubInMeath wrote: »

They might but they will then remember the donations that the NRA make.

Reading about the latest shooting at a medical center in Buffalo Minnesota, where the lad was a known looper, you would have to wonder how he still had access to firearms.

It seems that in the US the right to own a firearm trumps your right to live.
Dead kids are a price they are more than happy to pay for that.
What else would explain the bored/angry/defensive/agressive denial that gun control could possibly have anything to do with preventing casualties.
Shooting innocent people and executing people with the mental capacity of a six year old are part of the Americn Dream, which is kind of a fcuked up porn of violence and death.

Water John

She is from the Virgin Is.