Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667131#Comment_121667131

Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest...

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121665717#Comment_121665717

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He does have the advantage this time around of being a previous office-holder with an adoring fanbase who believe his last run for the office was stolen from him [and them] by his opponent. It might be worth examining his performance as titular head of the GOP since 2016 to figure out if he has a good record in office. I'm not sure how many presidents have had as many W/H chiefs of staff, Attorneys General, FBI bosses, as he had during his time in office.

beggars_bush

I hope she really goes on the attack with him and gets him swinging insults

You'd never know what he'll come out with

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667081#Comment_121667081

I know that, you are the one touting meaningless historical data without context in an attempt to show Trump gas achieved something.

He isn't the incumbent in terms of POTUS, but he is the incumbent in terms of the leader of the party.

Has that happen often before that a defeated POTUS remains as leader and reruns for office?

Only by showing that comparison is your claim that Trump has somehow achieved something notable of any value.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121666601#Comment_121666601

If you are hoping to run for election/re-election he sets MAGA on you and some swivel-eyed loon runs against you in the Primaries and you get squeezed out - Of course that then makes the seat ripe for flipping by the Democrats as the MAGA candidate simply isn't electable in the full election (see the non existent "red wave" in 2022) but Trump doesn't care , he only want revenge.

If you are a media type , he just kills your ratings by telling everyone you're a RINO etc.

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667497#Comment_121667497

There is a slim chance that something could come out of left-field from the Democrats side which could catch Trump off guard. I'm thinking of a Democrat plan where Biden would challenge Trump to a debate and wait for him to find an excuse to avoid it [as is his practice] and then publicize Trumps refusal for a face-off debate via the media and his publicity team, say Trump is afraid to face Biden in public.

If Trump's ego should force him to accept the offer, Biden can hammer him, make him rant and implode live on air, forcing his GOP base to accept he is not fit to withstand the pressure of the job in a national crisis event. If Biden succeeds in that, then some time after the fallout eases closer to election day and within the time limit for a change in candidate, Biden announce that for health reasons he is withdrawing from the election and the Democrats will have to name a replacement for him in the race.

The GOP itself has two other candidates wiling to fill their candidacy slot. Read what DeSantis actually said when he made his last announcement on his candidacy for president. Haley is still running against Trump at this time, not like DeSantis.

I know this is like a dream on my part but given what Trump and his allies have actually done to the USA in its day to day national life, it would be just desserts for Trump to have put one over on him and beach him for good. It would also put an end to the world having to wonder what Trump does next.

Edit: I'm more than a little bit curious about Trump and his undefined statement on Tuesday: Donald Trump threatened that Nikki Haley would be “under investigation” if she beat him in the Republican primary after defeating her in New Hampshire. “Just a little note to Nikki – she is not going to win, but if she did she would be under investigation by those people in 15 minutes. I could tell you five reasons why already, not big reasons, little stuff that she doesn’t want to talk about, but she will be under investigation in minutes,” said Mr Trump to a crowd of his supporters on Tuesday night. “And so would Ron have been, but he decided to get out.”

Who are those people going to investigate his candidacy opponents with the GOP?

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667992#Comment_121667992

The only problem would be if Joe can’t hold it together during the debate. I think he can, but a slip up could be fatal.

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121668052#Comment_121668052

They are both near 80 so its possible that either could have a brainfade for sure. The concern for Trump is he is easier to needle although an advantage for him expectations will be so low he won't have to perform that well for the night not to be considered a disaster.

Anyone who thinks he will avoid the debates are insane, he swerved the GOP debate because he was wary of Christie and to a lesser extent RDS hammering him and he knew only political nerds cared about it with him gone so it did not hurt him whatsoever, but the masses will tune into a debate v Biden so he has to show up.

briany

@aloyisious

If Trump's ego should force him to accept the offer, Biden can hammer him, make him rant and implode live on air, forcing his GOP base to accept he is not fit to withstand the pressure of the job in a national crisis event.

We already know he's not fit to handle a national crisis event. Look at how he handled COVID AKA 'the CHINA virus' as he called it, all the while publicly bickering with his top medical advisors, and generally refusing to put petty politics aside for the sake of the nation, not getting the messaging consistent on masking and vaccines and just being a general manchild about the whole situation. That right there should tell us that Trump was the definition of a fair-weather captain in his one term of office.

The other thing is that this iteration of Trumpism is past 'debate'. This is now just blind rage. When you're posting word clouds with 'revenge' at the centre, or selling T-shirts with you scowling at the camera like father Brendan Smyth, what appeal to reason is there, really?

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121669404#Comment_121669404

Here he is, 5 months ago, riding a bicycle. Waving from it too without much of a wobble (sidebar but it is insane how much of a detail is required just so the President can go for a bike ride). As noted already he's a regular cyclist and while he has had a couple of falls - I challenge you to find anyone who cycles regularly who hasn't at some point.

"His dementia" is not a proven thing. Nor is Trump's own but you only have to chart the weird decline in Trump's behaviour, speech and overall temperament to note that "something" is going on with him as he has aged. His inability to articulate even coherently has become an odd norm.

Biden has always had his foot in his mouth, that has pretty much been the guy's "charm" for decades. Back before Trump set the bar for bullshít uttered, even back before Bush II talked nonsense Biden seemed incapable of avoiding a gaff for an extended period of time.

https://youtu.be/ZdkGCDvpOp0

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121668167#Comment_121668167

For a long time I thought he’d swerve them, but I think he’s too much of a narcissist not to debate Biden.

No matter what transpires, he’ll shout from the rafters that the questions were rigged, the media was all out for Biden, he did the perfect debate and he won in spite of them all

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121669010#Comment_121669010

The 60/65 year retirement rule would probably apply to both where it came to a PT test, whatever about each trying to get the other to keel over mid test. The stair test, well, we've seen both fail on the steps [Biden on AF1 - and Trump on the hotel steps in Iowa for the primary.

The debate showing their mental agility; that's the whole point. That said, I just cant help seeing the tv-show stunt Trump pulled of strolling behind Hilary Clinton at their debate in my mind's eye, imagining him trying to unsettle Biden with a similar stunt.

Quin_Dub

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Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121665717#Comment_121665717

Not sure where you got that second factoid from but it's not true. Joe Biden did it 4 years ago.

The third one needs a giant asterisk next to it as well

With the Trump calls for Haley stand down, I was wondering if Trump’s team are worried if he’ll survive the primaries (rallys, speeches, travel, media) - there is a lot to do over the next few months?

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670689#Comment_121670689

It's about money.

He isn't raising money like he used to and he's spending most of what he does get on legal fees - With massive fines inbound very soon that will have to get paid.

If Haley forces him to spend money on the primary campaign , that's money he doesn't have to pay all his lawyers and to run an actual Presidential Election campaign.

The Democrats are out-raising the GOP across the board right now and have been for a while so team Trump know they'll need every penny they can pull together.

A ball of cash spent "dealing with" Haley is a problem they cannot afford.

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670726#Comment_121670726

Thanks, I had wondered if RDS withdrawing from the race was due to an accommodation reached with Trump's campaign where debts would be settled as a quid pro quo, hadn't considered Trumps campaign running short of the readies.

Quin_Dub

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political analyst

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667131#Comment_121667131

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667134#Comment_121667134

Trump has made disparaging comments about many individuals in the past 8 years and none of them has come to physical harm.

pcasso

Nancy Pelossi's husband says hello

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121673461#Comment_121673461

His dog whistling lead to the Capitol insurrection in which people died.

There was the attack on Nancy Pelosi and her husband - see below.

We dont know what other plots may have been foiled or deterred by Secret Service Protection or security.

"Since the 2020 election, state and local officials have faced a surge of violent threats, harassment, and intimidation."

https://time.com/6565184/violent-threats-public-officials/

The man charged with attacking the 82-year-old husband of Democratic congresswoman Nancy Pelosi told police he wanted to make her pay for Democrats' "persecution" of former President Donald Trump and his campaign, which he said only ended when "they were finally able to steal the election."

https://www.businessinsider.com/pelosi-attack-suspect-tells-police-motivated-by-right-wing-views-2023-1

political analyst

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121673498#Comment_121673498

I was referring to Trump's comments about individuals (e.g. Hillary Clinton, Megyn Kelly, the late John McCain), not his comments about the political establishment.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121673783#Comment_121673783

So like the individuals in the post you're mentioning

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121673461#Comment_121673461

Someone broke into the Pelosi residence. A member of the capital police was killed on Jan 6th and many more assaulted. The oathkeepers were stalking the House floor with tie wraps and others were trying to kick in doors where members of Congress were being protected by police

A plot to kidnap a governor was thwarted.

The fact no one else has been killed is a testament to the stupidity of his followers not a defence.

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121673461#Comment_121673461

I hope that he continues on in the same vane and hopefully he might even double down on their severity And I hope he adds more comments like shooting people stone dead in the middle of NY and in broad day light and suchlike and that he would not be touched because of who he is. The REASON. People will eventually get fed up with such behaviour and drop him when it comes to the primaries. Biden just needs a small swing in swing states to guarantee a win

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121673783#Comment_121673783

Nancy Pelosi's husband was attacked and "came to physical harm". It was an attack on her \ her household because of her status as a Democratic politician. She has been the subject of abuse from Trump. And the nutjob who did it referenced nonsense about Democrat persecution of Trump.

Your comments were not accurate on any level, and served only to obscure the reality of the consequences of the hysteria whipped up by Trump's lies about a stolen election and 'persecution' i.e. holding him to account for his many crimes and offences.

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121674019#Comment_121674019

Whatever about the general election - the Republican Primary electorate would lap all of that stuff up. The more unhinged, cruel, violent and despicable the better for that mob. It's actually difficult to think of a line that he would need to cross to lose their support. The only thing I could think of is if he came out and apologised for all of their past behaviour and admitted that he had in fact lost all of those elections etc etc. That's never gonna happen though.

dinorebel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121674527#Comment_121674527

Couldn't agree more it's insane that the only way he could lose support is by acting as a decent human being.

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121674019#Comment_121674019

Its worth keeping in mind that it's just over 8 years ago {Jan 23, 2016] since he made that statement while electioneering in Iowa. Its not amongst the electioneering ploys he pulled there this year, just his threats to have his GOP opponents investigated by PEOPLE and make those funding the candidates pay for doing so.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121675748#Comment_121675748

Ah yes , Iowa 2016 , the fresh green shoots of his Election Denial - Back then is was Ted Cruz doing the election stealing...