Why was Alan Farrell not forced out of politics?

pgj2015

https://www.thesun.ie/news/4705013/gaefine-gael-alan-farrell-independent-investigation-fianna-fail/


https://www.thesun.ie/news/4208026/alan-farrell-football-match-crash-compo-claim/


This is something that I cant figure out. Maria Bailey was forced out of politics because of a very similar claim.

Silentcorner

It was an extraordinary infantile interview Maria Bailey gave voluntarily on national radio when keeping her mouth shut would have saved her that was her undoing.

She just couldn't keep her mouth shut, it wasn't in her

Wilhelm III

Because Ireland.

Thelonious Monk

Didn't the whole Dutch government resign the other day because they got something wrong?
Just doesn't happen here, and we're ok with it, so why would they resign or be forced out?

walshb

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Didn't the whole Dutch government resign the other day because they got something wrong?
Just doesn't happen here, and we're ok with it, so why would they resign or be forced out?

It used to not happen here

Happens a lot more now..

pgj2015

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Didn't the whole Dutch government resign the other day because they got something wrong?
Just doesn't happen here, and we're ok with it, so why would they resign or be forced out?

The public were furious about what Bailey did, why weren't they as upset about what Farrell did? he had previously talked about compo culture in Ireland, that makes it worse in my opinion.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2731580/fine-gael-td-alan-farrell-blasts-compo-culture-in-schools-as-he-himself-sues-for-e15000-following-car-crash/

Seth Brundle

pgj2015 wrote: »

https://www.thesun.ie/news/4705013/gaefine-gael-alan-farrell-independent-investigation-fianna-fail/


https://www.thesun.ie/news/4208026/alan-farrell-football-match-crash-compo-claim/


This is something that I cant figure out. Maria Bailey was forced out of politics because of a very similar claim.

pgj2015 wrote: »

The public were furious about what Bailey did, why weren't they as upset about what Farrell did? he had previously talked about compo culture in Ireland, that makes it worse in my opinion.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2731580/fine-gael-td-alan-farrell-blasts-compo-culture-in-schools-as-he-himself-sues-for-e15000-following-car-crash/

Whatever about Farrell or Bailey, please stop using that toilet paper as a credible source

pgj2015

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Whatever about Farrell or Bailey, please stop using that toilet paper as a credible source

The same stories were printed in various different papers, the sun, Irish independant, Irish times etc ,what does it matter, its all true.

Seth Brundle

pgj2015 wrote: »

The same stories were printed in various different papers, the sun, Irish independant, Irish times etc ,what does it matter, its all true.

Oh, I'm not denying that both should have been sacked from politics!

pgj2015

I can't see how anyone could vote for such a chancer, definitely not any business owners who know all about how compo culture effects their insurance premiums.

Augme

As said it was the radio interview that did Marie Bailey. It was the sheer in your face arrogance that rubbed people the wrong way. I think most people here are chancers a bit themselves so they trying to fake a compo isn't seen as the worst thing in the world (unless a Traveller or non white, then it is just an excuse to have a pop at them).

pgj2015

Augme wrote: »

As said it was the radio interview that did Marie Bailey. It was the sheer in your face arrogance that rubbed people the wrong way. I think most people here are chancers a bit themselves so they trying to fake a compo isn't seen as the worst thing in the world (unless a Traveller or non white, then it is just an excuse to have a pop at them).

Im not sure about this. I think most people wont make a claim unless they really are injured, its a scummy thing to do. I have been in 2 or 3 serious accidents but wasnt injured so wouldnt claim, but like people are putting in claims when there is nothing wrong with them. going around with walking sticks, and getting physio, then the stick and physio all stop the minute the claim gets paid out.

duffman13

Augme wrote: »

As said it was the radio interview that did Marie Bailey. It was the sheer in your face arrogance that rubbed people the wrong way. I think most people here are chancers a bit themselves so they trying to fake a compo isn't seen as the worst thing in the world (unless a Traveller or non white, then it is just an excuse to have a pop at them).

Most people here are racist chancers?

Eh OK

Fr Tod Umptious

Bailey made a claim because she fell off a swing in a hotel and claimed that the hotel were negligent for not warning about the swing or not having a supervisor or what not.

Farrell made his claim based on a road traffic accident.

The former could be seen as spurious and just chancing ones arm, the latter however happens every day of the week and would be seen as legitimate.

That's the difference OP.

Augme

pgj2015 wrote: »

Im not sure about this. I think most people wont make a claim unless they really are injured, its a scummy thing to do. I have been in 2 or 3 serious accidents but wasnt injured so wouldnt claim, but like people are putting in claims when there is nothing wrong with them. going around with walking sticks, and getting physio, then the stick and physio all stop the minute the claim gets paid out.

I didn't say most people would make a claim, just they are chancers a bit themselves. They are happy to bed the rules in lots of situations, not to the level of a fake claim maybe, but they also see a fake claim as not that serious because they are happy to have the rules bended when it suits them.

Id see it and hear about it all the time. People giving their friends/family/friends mates/clients favours in sceranios like work, job promotions, contracts, sports clubs etc etc. At the end of the day if you are the type of person who is willing to do that and have it doone for you then it's unlikely you view faking a claim as such an egregious action.

banie01

Patriarchy?!

I'm going to with Patriarchy.

Rather than her actually infantile interview, her knowledge of GAA and no matter how well SOR knew her.
No matter how badly she handled her issue or implicated other TDs...

It's not that she was flailingly incompetent...
It was definitely patriarchy

pgj2015

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Bailey made a claim because she fell off a swing in a hotel and claimed that the hotel were negligent for not warning about the swing or not having a supervisor or what not.

Farrell made his claim based on a road traffic accident.

The former could be seen as spurious and just chancing ones arm, the latter however happens every day of the week and would be seen as legitimate.

That's the difference OP.

The impact of the Farrell "crash" was tiny by all accounts. The judge didnt think he was injured at all, that is why he only got 2,500. look when a jugde give 2,500, you know he thinks the claimant is trying it on, same as Bailey was.

I was in a crash last year, the other party was 100% at fault, my finger and neck were sore for a week or so, but all was ok after that. im just not a scumbag who puts in claims for handy money like some people are.

RandomViewer

pgj2015 wrote: »

I can't see how anyone could vote for such a chancer, definitely not any business owners who know all about how compo culture effects their insurance premiums.

Typical FG voter is a wannabe Delboy, forever pulling strokes hoping for a payoff, no moral compass so wouldnt see anything wrong with what Farrell did,

pgj2015

Augme wrote: »

I didn't say most people would make a claim, just they are chancers a bit themselves. They are happy to bed the rules in lots of situations, not to the level of a fake claim maybe, but they also see a fake claim as not that serious because they are happy to have the rules bended when it suits them.

Id see it and hear about it all the time. People giving their friends/family/friends mates/clients favours in sceranios like work, job promotions, contracts, sports clubs etc etc. At the end of the day if you are the type of person who is willing to do that and have it doone for you then it's unlikely you view faking a claim as such an egregious action.

maybe its just me but it infuriates me seeing fake claims, its anti business and a serious threat to peoples livelihoods.

RandomViewer

Fran has a bone wrote: »

When you have and have had murderers in the Dail via Sinn Fein, it's hard to force out others for lesser offences.

Hearsay or convicted by a court?, FFG have at least one alleged murderer and an number of alleged rapists in their ranks so tell us what you know?

tayto lover

Maybe he wasn’t up high enough.

RandomViewer

Heard somewhere that certain FG candidates are "presented" to the backers, those that are will have a higher level of backing than Maria who was there to meet a quota

Cluedo Monopoly

I don't understand it either. How did he get re-elected? He committed fraud against the car rental company.
The electorate need to wake up to the FF+FG power scam.

pgj2015

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

I don't understand it either. How did he get re-elected? He committed fraud against the car rental company.
The electorate need to wake up to the FF+FG power scam.

I suppose it was like how that politician who got re-elected after being caught looking for a bribe, it was on RTE. I think he got more votes actually. some people deserve the politicians they vote into power.


https://www.thejournal.ie/hugh-mcelvaney-elected-4652168-May2019/

pgj2015

Independent councillor Joe Queenan from west Sligo said the people had decided his fate after he was re-elected to Sligo county council after securing the second highest number of first preferences in the Ballymote-Tubbercurry area.

Mr Queenan came to national attention after being interviewed by an undercover reporter on an RTÉ Investigates programme, which he described as “a sting” that had led to a difficult three-and-a-half years for him.



That was one of the other corrupt politicians, also got re elected, even though the whole country saw he was crooked and not fit for office.

CrazyFather1

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Didn't the whole Dutch government resign the other day because they got something wrong?
Just doesn't happen here, and we're ok with it, so why would they resign or be forced out?

Its a fairly big "wrong" isn't it?

As many as 26,000 parents were wrongly accused by the Dutch tax authorities of fraudulently claiming child allowance over several years from 2012, with as many as 10,000 families forced to repay tens of thousands of euros, in some cases leading to unemployment, bankruptcies and divorces.

The tax authority admitted last year that at least 11,000 were singled out for special scrutiny because of their ethnic origin or dual nationality, fuelling longstanding allegations of systemic racism in the Netherlands.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/15/dutch-government-resigns-over-child-benefits-scandal

mickdw

Bailey tried it on with a silly case and had to withdraw it. Career over.

Farrell tried it on with a silly case and managed to get a small payout. He therefore can brazen it out and threaten to take to court anyone who claims he is anything other than an injured party - I blame the judge in the farrell case - it was shown that he tried to claim for pre existing damage to his car. Judge should have ruled against him.

RandomViewer

pgj2015 wrote: »

Independent councillor Joe Queenan from west Sligo said the people had decided his fate after he was re-elected to Sligo county council after securing the second highest number of first preferences in the Ballymote-Tubbercurry area.

Mr Queenan came to national attention after being interviewed by an undercover reporter on an RTÉ Investigates programme, which he described as “a sting” that had led to a difficult three-and-a-half years for him.



That was one of the other corrupt politicians, also got re elected, even though the whole country saw he was crooked and not fit for office.

The FG one with the tacky gold and shiny suit ran in a electoral area with 5seats and only 6 candidates, RTE confronted John O Donnell when he was canvassing with his mother, a lot of people were angered by this and he got a large vote

pgj2015

mickdw wrote: »

Bailey tried it on with a silly case and had to withdraw it. Career over.

Farrell tried it on with a silly case and managed to get a small payout. He therefore can brazen it out and threaten to take to court anyone who claims he is anything other than an injured party - I blame the judge in the farrell case - it was shown that he tried to claim for pre existing damage to his car. Judge should have ruled against him.

Didnt Bailey use her maiden name as well so people wouldnt cop who she was, that was very sly and a stupid move. id say if people complained enough, Farrell would have been forced out as well.

pgj2015

RandomViewer wrote: »

The FG one with the tacky gold and shiny suit ran in a electoral area with 5seats and only 6 candidates, RTE confronted John O Donnell when he was canvassing with his mother, a lot of people were angered by this and he got a large vote

why would people care about that?

CrazyFather1

Lads if you are complaining about Maria have a read of what her after got up to and it will blow your mind.....

Cluedo Monopoly

mickdw wrote: »

Bailey tried it on with a silly case and had to withdraw it. Career over.

Farrell tried it on with a silly case and managed to get a small payout. He therefore can brazen it out and threaten to take to court anyone who claims he is anything other than an injured party - I blame the judge in the farrell case - it was shown that he tried to claim for pre existing damage to his car. Judge should have ruled against him.

Yeah the judge essentially called him a liar and gave him a small payout.

Jinglejangle69

RandomViewer wrote: »

Typical FG voter is a wannabe Delboy, forever pulling strokes hoping for a payoff, no moral compass so wouldnt see anything wrong with what Farrell did,

That's an awful amount of people.

Have you a link to back up that claim?

RandomViewer

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

That's an awful amount of people.

Have you a link to back up that claim?

I'm sure someone has as list handy,

Jinglejangle69

RandomViewer wrote: »

I'm sure someone has as list handy,

Thought so.

Jinglejangle69

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

That's an awful amount of people.

Have you a link to back up that claim?

I mean like the FG leader literally pulled strokes in handing out confidential documents to his mates.....surely this represents the ethos of its membership and voters best,given not 1 senior member spoke out againest it??

RandomViewer

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Thought so.

Okay Terri Crone, you( might be the same person) MonkHutch, Dinny , Veronavirus, Lowry, LarryMurphy, the guy who was caught playing with himself on the plane, Seanie Fitz, Pete Taylor, you get the drift,

RandomViewer

pgj2015 wrote: »

why would people care about that?

The mother is well liked, widowed quite young, was a councillor her self

pgj2015

RandomViewer wrote: »

The mother is well liked, widowed quite young, was a councillor her self

I doubt RTE ran after them with burning sticks and pitchforks. im sure she was alright. Funny how the locals blame RTE and dont question why they approached him and his mother in the first place.

Beasty

There's been an election since then. He's garnered enough votes, so the only people to "blame" are the Fingal electorate.

McMurphy

There's a difference in Farrell and Bailey,

One went on a radio station, and made an infamous interview that will be etched on people's minds for a considerable period of time.

The other, though definitely a questionable claim, it did however make its way through the courts, where a judge awarded him some compo.

Hard to get rid of someone when the court deemed their claim somewhat worthy tbh. Even if the rest of us know bullshyt when we see it.

Ultimately though, Bailey and the Black and Tans cost FG the last election. They never seem to learn.

RandomViewer

pgj2015 wrote: »

I doubt RTE ran after them with burning sticks and pitchforks. im sure she was alright. Funny how the locals blame RTE and dont question why they approached him and his mother in the first place.

Theres a clip of it about, RTE dude seemed desperate to get some other sort of reaction, if it hadn't happened O Donnel would have been unlikely to be elected

purifol0

Lisa Chambers (FF) still around after getting caught red handed...or as a party spokesperson said "she loves democracy so much she votes multiple times"

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fine-gael-complains-over-voting-by-fianna-f%C3%A1il-s-lisa-chambers-1.4117271

Voters kicked her out in the 2020 gen election, alas she now sits in The Seanad as Deputy Leader having been nominated by the FF party.
Special thanks to all yiz who voted to keep it 10 years ago, you know who you are.

So folks its not what you did that counts, its who supports you.

James Brown

pgj2015 wrote: »

https://www.thesun.ie/news/4705013/gaefine-gael-alan-farrell-independent-investigation-fianna-fail/


https://www.thesun.ie/news/4208026/alan-farrell-football-match-crash-compo-claim/


This is something that I cant figure out. Maria Bailey was forced out of politics because of a very similar claim.

Bailey thought she was too big to fail. Also Farrell's was a cheesy bog standard scam. Bailey's was arrogance and entitlement personified.
We like cute hoors not smart arses.

runawaybishop

Bailey's interview and her claim that none showed her how to use a swing were what screwed her. An adult blaming someone for not showing them how to use a swing, no way back from that.

https://twitter.com/MarianKeyes/status/1195105440855666691?s=08

Muahahaha

purifol0 wrote: »

Lisa Chambers (FF) still around after getting caught red handed...or as a party spokesperson said "she loves democracy so much she votes multiple times"

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fine-gael-complains-over-voting-by-fianna-f%C3%A1il-s-lisa-chambers-1.4117271

Voters kicked her out in the 2020 gen election, alas she now sits in The Seanad as Deputy Leader having been nominated by the FF party.
Special thanks to all yiz who voted to keep it 10 years ago, you know who you are.

So folks its not what you did that counts, its who supports you.

People wanted the Seanad reformed and that is exactly what FG and Enda Kenny promised in the aftermath of the referendum, a promise that still hasnt been acted upon or delivered.

In fact it was Enda Kenny himself who came up with the idea of abolishing the Seanad directly after a shock opinion poll showed Fine Gael suffering almost a 10% slide. It had never even been discussed within FG up until that point and his own TDs were blindsided by it. Kennys leadership was under pressure after the opinion poll so out of the blue he lurched straight for a populist position.

yaboya1

The people had their chance to get rid of Farrell last year, yet they voted him back in.
We get what we deserve.

Kermit.de.frog

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Whatever about Farrell or Bailey, please stop using that toilet paper as a credible source

Think you're being a bit unfair on toilet paper!

freshpopcorn

I’m unsure why FG ran him.
People will vote for their party no matter what.
People will moan about campo culture and vote for Alan.
They’ll moan about old school FF and wanting something new and will vote for Willie O’Dea.
They’ll go on about drink drivers being scum of the Earth, should be sacked, etc and they’ll happily vote for Pat Buckley(SF) because he’s great.

McMurphy

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I’m unsure why FG ran him.
People will vote for their party no matter what.
People will moan about campo culture and vote for Alan.
They’ll moan about old school FF and wanting something new and will vote for Willie O’Dea.
They’ll go on about drink drivers being scum of the Earth, should be sacked, etc and they’ll happily vote for Pat Buckley(SF) because he’s great.

Fine Gaels Michael Hegarty, and FFs Barry Cowen both tell me Drink drivers are the lowest of the low.

purifol0

Muahahaha wrote: »

People wanted the Seanad reformed and that is exactly what FG and Enda Kenny promised in the aftermath of the referendum, a promise that still hasnt been acted upon or delivered.

In fact it was Enda Kenny himself who came up with the idea of abolishing the Seanad directly after a shock opinion poll showed Fine Gael suffering almost a 10% slide. It had never even been discussed within FG up until that point and his own TDs were blindsided by it. Kennys leadership was under pressure after the opinion poll so out of the blue he lurched straight for a populist position.

Is that so?


Enda Kenny: 'Genuine Seanad reform would be almost impossible to achieve'



https://www.thejournal.ie/seanad-reform-967333-Jun2013/