Has parler gone dark?

Infernal Racket

I believe its been booted off almost everywhere now driving it to the dark side. Where will all the non tech savvy racists now go to vent?

_Brian

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Infernal Racket

_Brian wrote: »

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I don't think most of them are brave enough to voice their opinions in public to actual people though. They're more the keyboard warrior types I reckon.

Bobblehats

pjohnson

Has Bitchute been binned yet?

Infernal Racket

pjohnson wrote: »

Has Bitchute been binned yet?

Only a matter of time I'd say. All the big tech companies seem to be running scared after the American insurrection debacle.

EmmetSpiceland

Infernal Racket wrote: »

I believe its been booted off almost everywhere now driving it to the dark side. Where will all the non tech savvy racists now go to vent?

They’ll, probably, just stay in the “Current Affairs” forum.

ohnonotgmail

Infernal Racket wrote: »

I believe its been booted off almost everywhere now driving it to the dark side. Where will all the non tech savvy racists now go to vent?

Plenty of clouds to shout at.

Infernal Racket

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Plenty of clouds to shout at.

So back to basics for them so. Is she who shall not be named using parler these days or how is she spouting her nonsense?

Kivaro

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

They’ll, probably, just stay in the “Current Affairs” forum.

Ah Jaysus, get a life.

Chris_Heilong

I never used the app just like I never use twitter however I find it disguising what is happening, It is a complete power grab by authoritarians that make up the powers in American big tech, The US and free speech is screwed and all under the guise of the greater good, 'think like us or your gone'. The more I look into it the worse it gets and they keep lying to the public that is is for their own good, whatever happened to freedom and live and let live?

ohnonotgmail

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I never used the app just like I never use twitter however I find it disguising what is happening, It is a complete power grab by authoritarians that make up the powers in American big tech, The US and free speech is screwed and all under the guise of the greater good. The more I look into it the worse it gets and they keep lying to the public that is is for their own good, whatever happened to freedom and live and let live?

tell that to the police officer victim of the violence stoked up by posts on parler.

Adyx

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I never used the app just like I never use twitter however I find it disguising what is happening, It is a complete power grab by authoritarians that make up the powers in American big tech, The US and free speech is screwed and all under the guise of the greater good, 'think like us or your gone'. The more I look into it the worse it gets and they keep lying to the public that is is for their own good, whatever happened to freedom and live and let live?

There's absolutely nothing preventing free speech here. Why should a private company be forced to provide a platform to anyone regardless of their political beliefs? Besides, have you seen the "free speech" on Parler? Posts about using zip-ties to strangle people, executions and even threats against Mike Pence. None of this was moderated. That's why it was taken down. Not because someone said "all lives matter" instead of "black lives matter".

Normal One

*buys shares in Bebo*

DraftDodger

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

tell that to the police officer victim of the violence stoked up by posts on parler.

Or to the business owners who had their businesses looted and burned down by BLM terrorists because of violence stoked up on Twitter.

Oh that's right it's only people on the right who aren't entitled to riot.

ED E

Byyyyyye

https://twitter.com/mspowahs/status/1348486739871072261?s=19

Chris_Heilong

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

tell that to the police officer victim of the violence stoked up by posts on parler.

Hyperbolic much? jeez

If you want to play those game then you do know the BLM protests that more than 20 people lost their lives was mostly organized through Twitter, with people showing support for the rioters and even organizing bail out money for any thugs(this is what left wing media are calling capital hill protestors) that were arrested. Jack Dorsey donated $3 million to Colin Kaepernick activist organization after Kaepernick said he wants call for a revolution.

By your logic we should ban twitter also.

Gatling

I find it funny the most vocal social media gun nuts who have been telling everyone to move to parler for free speech , maintained there presence on insta and YouTube and never migrated over ,
So much for free speech Vs money

sheesh

saw a post saying it had hacked as well. and they have downloaded images of peoples driving licences and all images and videos with geo tags intact and every post as well

https://twitter.com/kelsienick0531/status/1348513224887590912

Infernal Racket

And to think we used to give out about An Phoblacht

Gregor Samsa

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

By your logic we should ban twitter also.

Twitter has the necessary bare minimum moderation processes in place that their hosts require of them to do business with them. Parler does not, and refuses to. No logic says that Twitter needs to be banned.

seamus

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

It is a complete power grab by authoritarians

silliussoddius

DraftDodger wrote: »

Or to the business owners who had their businesses looted and burned down by BLM terrorists because of violence stoked up on Twitter.

Oh that's right it's only people on the right who aren't entitled to riot.

Wait the BLM riots started after a sitting president addressed a crowd of mouth breathing defects spreading lies and conspiracy theories and got them to march together (or drive away in his case) on the center of government to “show strength “)? I do remember that.

rossie1977

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I never used the app just like I never use twitter however I find it disguising what is happening, It is a complete power grab by authoritarians that make up the powers in American big tech, The US and free speech is screwed and all under the guise of the greater good, 'think like us or your gone'. The more I look into it the worse it gets and they keep lying to the public that is is for their own good, whatever happened to freedom and live and let live?

Parler equaling free speech is lol. It is a far right echo chamber nothing more https://www.newsweek.com/parler-ted-cruz-approved-free-speech-app-already-banning-users-1514358

...Ghost...

Gatling wrote: »

I find it funny the most vocal social media gun nuts who have been telling everyone to move to parler for free speech , maintained there presence on insta and YouTube and never migrated over ,
So much for free speech Vs money

Funny, how? Maintaining a presence on insta and youtube makes them money. Did any of these "nuts" say they would boycott insta, youtube or any other platform? I never heard of Parler, but seems to me that the caphill riot was a perfect excuse to destroy the competition.

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Twitter has the necessary bare minimum moderation processes in place that their hosts require of them to do business with them. Parler does not, and refuses to. No logic says that Twitter needs to be banned.

Twitter only moderates one side. That much is well established.

Cakes and Ale

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I never used the app just like I never use twitter however I find it disguising what is happening, It is a complete power grab by authoritarians that make up the powers in American big tech, The US and free speech is screwed and all under the guise of the greater good, 'think like us or your gone'. The more I look into it the worse it gets and they keep lying to the public that is is for their own good, whatever happened to freedom and live and let live?

You left out Orwellian from this!

silliussoddius

I find it hilarious that the Jonestown crowd who thought Trump is their saviour is more concerned about his Twitter access than the quality of his content.

GT89

pjohnson wrote: »

Has Bitchute been binned yet?

There's no Bitchute app

EmmetSpiceland

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

They’ll, probably, just stay in the “Current Affairs” forum.

Well done on getting the quoting right that time! Kinda

It is a bit odd that people on an Internet forum are getting excited on ever more internet restrictions. Turkeys and Christmas.

If a leading politician in some authoritarian quasi democracy was booted off the major social media outlets in that country, eyebrows would be raised. Particularly if it was the last lame duck president. Then if another media outlet he might have used was also banned, eyebrows would indeed be raised further. It doesn't matter if the tech companies were nominally non government owned, I think we know that there would have been government interference. I wonder, in this case, if Biden made a few calls.

The question is whether companies like Apple and Amazon will now use the ban hammer to ban any speech that the US considers dangerous - we have already seen Al Jazeera and RT having to register as foreign agents. And Twitter still hosts the Ayatollah, but for how long?

The rest of the world perhaps needs its own internet company.

Gregor Samsa

...Ghost... wrote: »

Twitter only moderates one side. That much is well established.

Fact is that Twitter has a moderation policy in place, Parler does not, and have refused to create one. Many hosting companies require a moderation policy to be in place in order to do business. You can try to shoe-horn your political biases into it as much as you want, but facts are facts.

Ubbquittious

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Fact is that Twitter has a moderation policy in place, Parler does not, and have refused to create one. Many hosting companies require a moderation policy to be in place in order to do business. You can try to shoe-horn your political biases into it as much as you want, but facts are facts.

I haven't heard of such a thing. You can rent servers or fancy cloud sh1t and they dont ask you what its for. Never seen anything as specific as a moderation policy for hosting sites when signing up

Gregor Samsa

Ubbquittious wrote: »

I haven't heard of such a thing. You can rent servers or fancy cloud sh1t and they dont ask you what its for. Never seen anything as specific as a moderation policy for hosting sites when signing up

Here's Apples, for instance:

https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#user-generated-content

To prevent abuse, apps with user-generated content or social networking services must include:

• A method for filtering objectionable material from being posted to the app
• A mechanism to report offensive content and timely responses to concerns
• The ability to block abusive users from the service
• Published contact information so users can easily reach you

And here's Google's:

https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/10286120?hl=en

User Generated Content
User-generated content (UGC) is content that users contribute to an app, and which is visible to or accessible by at least a subset of the app's users.

Apps that contain or feature UGC must:

• require that users accept the app's terms of use and/or user policy before users can create or upload UGC;
• define objectionable content and behaviors (in a way that complies with Play’s Developer Program Policies), and prohibit them in the app’s terms of use or user policies;
• implement robust, effective and ongoing UGC moderation, as is reasonable and consistent with the type of UGC hosted by the app
• In the case of live-streaming apps, objectionable UGC must be removed as close to real-time as reasonably possible;
• In the case of augmented reality (AR) apps, UGC moderation (including the in-app reporting system) must account for both objectionable AR UGC (e.g. a sexually explicit AR image) and sensitive AR anchoring location (e.g. AR content anchored to a restricted area, such as a military base, or a private property where AR anchoring may cause issues for the property owner);
• provide a user-friendly, in-app system for reporting objectionable UGC and take action against that UGC where appropriate;
• remove or block abusive users who violate the app's terms of use and/or user policy;
• provide safeguards to prevent in-app monetization from encouraging objectionable user behavior.
• Apps whose primary purpose is featuring objectionable UGC will be removed from Google Play. Similarly, apps that end up being used primarily for hosting objectionable UGC, or that develop a reputation among users of being a place where such content thrives, will also be removed from Google Play

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In the case of Apple, it was specifically this clause that resulted in Parler app being removed. They were given 24 hours to put a moderation policy in place, and refused to do so.

And while any cloud based web hosting won't ask you what it's for up front, pretty much all of them (including AWS) have published policies in place that regulate what is acceptable content. and reserve the right to suspend your hosting if you break the terms.

rossie1977

Deleted User wrote: »

It is a bit odd that people on an Internet forum are getting excited on ever more internet restrictions. Turkeys and Christmas.

If a leading politician in some authoritarian quasi democracy was booted off the major social media outlets in that country, eyebrows would be raised.

Happened and nobody here cared one bit https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/12/twitter-raul-castro-state-media-outlets-blocked

I wonder, in this case, if Biden made a few calls.

Yes it was Biden calling not the fact Trump incited a mob to break into capitol building for first time in over 200 years.

The question is whether companies like Apple and Amazon will now use the ban hammer to ban any speech that the US considers dangerous - we have already seen Al Jazeera and RT having to register as foreign agents

Twitter have been pretty consistent over the years. They suspend accounts they deem to be spreading misinformation like the hundreds of thousands of Chinese state accounts that were purged last year.

Indian and Pakistan figures considered to be ringleaders in inciting riots in those countries have been removed.

TheValeyard

The online world really has become such a toxic place. Think I was happier with oceanfree chat.

Infernal Racket

TheValeyard wrote: »

The online world really has become such a toxic place. Think I was happier with oceanfree chat.

Or just chatting to my mates

Church on Tuesday

Bobblehats wrote: »

"It's only Ray Parler!"

fryup

i see boards.ie are running an advert at the moment for cotosen clothing, the favourite clothing of the Right Wing Militia hmmmm

Bobblehats

TheValeyard wrote: »

The online world really has become such a toxic place. Think I was happier with oceanfree chat.

I miss MySpace seemed to attract the cool misanthrope chicks.

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/AndyGrewal/status/1348072426899460102

Lucifer

From boards.ie FAQ

This is a private website. There is no "right" to freedom of speech here. We, the Admins, and the Moderators DO want to promote discussion, but FREE un-moderated discussion online turns into a screaming match between children. We believe that rules of etiquette should be applied (see below). Shouting about how we have infringed your "freedom of speech" on a privately owned website is silly. You can use blogger.com to say what YOU like, what you aren’t entitled to is access to the community we have built here without abiding by the community's rules, as decided and enforced by us.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/faq.php?faq=bie_faq


Why should twitter be any different? It is also a private website, and do not want to be associated with certain content.

They are not banning people for their political view, they are banning for breaking their rules. Anyone who signs up agrees to their terms of service.

AWS are also a private company, who do not want to be associated with what Parler has become. They had no problem with hosting them and them being right wing. They had no problem with hosting them and it being a trump fan club. They drew the line when it turned into more than that.

They highlighted what the issues were and Parler didn't want to change.

Likewise I cannot make a speech in your house if you don't want me to, it is your private house and you can decide what happens there, without me crying censorship.

Freedom of speech and censorship relates to not being oppressed by a government in airing my views, like what would happen somewhere like China.

It does not give you a right to say what you want on any platform you like. Most allow it provided you stick to the rules, but it is not a right.

If they believe that AWS are going beyond what is fair, they can compete with them in capitalist America and open their own hosting and if they are correct they will probably have a queue of customers if amazon are so restrictive.

And one other thing, if NOBODY wants to host your content, perhaps it may be time to have a look at what your content is, rather than claiming victim.

Mellor

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I never used the app just like I never use twitter however I find it disguising what is happening, It is a complete power grab by authoritarians that make up the powers in American big tech, The US and free speech is screwed and all under the guise of the greater good, 'think like us or your gone'. The more I look into it the worse it gets and they keep lying to the public that is is for their own good, whatever happened to freedom and live and let live?

sheesh wrote: »

saw a post saying it had hacked as well. and they have downloaded images of peoples driving licences and all images and videos with geo tags intact and every post as well

They archived whatever was posted to Parler.
They can't magically get Driver licenses and credit cards unless people posted them online.

...Ghost... wrote: »

Twitter only moderates one side. That much is well established.

Does freedom of speech/expression not mean they are free to decide what content the host on the website they own?

Ubbquittious wrote: »

I haven't heard of such a thing. You can rent servers or fancy cloud sh1t and they dont ask you what its for. Never seen anything as specific as a moderation policy for hosting sites when signing up

Do you read user agreements or just click yes like everyone else.

Some hosts may not have one. But do you honestly think Amazon doesn't have a policy against certain content.

fryup wrote: »

i see boards.ie are running an advert at the moment for cotosen clothing, the favourite clothing of the Right Wing Militia hmmmm

They are google ads. Whatever you see is based on your search and browsing history and not the same as what others see.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Infernal Racket wrote: »

I believe its been booted off almost everywhere now driving it to the dark side. Where will all the non tech savvy racists now go to vent?

Smoke signals...?

eastie17

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Hyperbolic much? jeez

If you want to play those game then you do know the BLM protests that more than 20 people lost their lives was mostly organized through Twitter, with people showing support for the rioters and even organizing bail out money for any thugs(this is what left wing media are calling capital hill protestors) that were arrested. Jack Dorsey donated $3 million to Colin Kaepernick activist organization after Kaepernick said he wants call for a revolution.

By your logic we should ban twitter also.

We absolutely should, it’s doing more harm than good now

Granadino

fryup wrote: »

i see boards.ie are running an advert at the moment for cotosen clothing, the favourite clothing of the Right Wing Militia hmmmm

Based on your search history , you are being retargeted with ads. You are probably being targeted with these ads as Parler is a hot topic amongst the right wing.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

fryup wrote: »

i see boards.ie are running an advert at the moment for cotosen clothing, the favourite clothing of the Right Wing Militia hmmmm

If you're seeing an ad for right wing clothing, you've got something in your cache that makes it look like that's what you're interested in.

No idea who it got there.

Foolish knee-jerk reaction in medium to long term imo

It gave a relatively easy to moniter,centralised area for police etc to moniter some naive extremists,

what will happen now is it will delve into smaller and smaller group chats/whatsapp groups proving near impossible to crack.....isis developed their own social media (dunno who hosted it) and afaik it proved v.valueable as a intelligence gathering source,


looks to me like the police are simply hoping all this will fizzle out and wont need monitering,i hope their right

Gregor Samsa

Here's none other than Ted Cruz in 2017, supporting Big (and little) Tech's right to decide for themselves who can use their services, free of Government interference. This is longstanding Republican policy.

In an editorial published in Roll Call on Tuesday, Cruz called the erosion of net neutrality "internet freedom," because it provides freedom for companies to write their own rules online.

"This policy ... seeks to force companies of all sizes to ask the government for prior approval of business decisions," writes Cruz. It appears Cruz believes corporations, instead of the government, should be trusted to give their own consumers fair and equal access to the internet.

Sen. Cornyn followed Cruz's lead in a tweet Wednesday. "Net neutrality is misnamed. It is government regulation. Why not let the market work?"

https://www.sacurrent.com/the-daily/archives/2017/11/24/why-texas-senators-cruz-and-cornyn-oppose-net-neutrality

Infernal Racket

Lucifer wrote: »

From boards.ie FAQ

This is a private website. There is no "right" to freedom of speech here. We, the Admins, and the Moderators DO want to promote discussion, but FREE un-moderated discussion online turns into a screaming match between children. We believe that rules of etiquette should be applied (see below). Shouting about how we have infringed your "freedom of speech" on a privately owned website is silly. You can use blogger.com to say what YOU like, what you aren’t entitled to is access to the community we have built here without abiding by the community's rules, as decided and enforced by us.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/faq.php?faq=bie_faq


Why should twitter be any different? It is also a private website, and do not want to be associated with certain content.

They are not banning people for their political view, they are banning for breaking their rules. Anyone who signs up agrees to their terms of service.

AWS are also a private company, who do not want to be associated with what Parler has become. They had no problem with hosting them and them being right wing. They had no problem with hosting them and it being a trump fan club. They drew the line when it turned into more than that.

They highlighted what the issues were and Parler didn't want to change.

Likewise I cannot make a speech in your house if you don't want me to, it is your private house and you can decide what happens there, without me crying censorship.

Freedom of speech and censorship relates to not being oppressed by a government in airing my views, like what would happen somewhere like China.

It does not give you a right to say what you want on any platform you like. Most allow it provided you stick to the rules, but it is not a right.

If they believe that AWS are going beyond what is fair, they can compete with them in capitalist America and open their own hosting and if they are correct they will probably have a queue of customers if amazon are so restrictive.

And one other thing, if NOBODY wants to host your content, perhaps it may be time to have a look at what your content is, rather than claiming victim.

Exactly this right here. Why do people find all of this so hard to understand?

gandalf

Ubbquittious wrote: »

I haven't heard of such a thing. You can rent servers or fancy cloud sh1t and they dont ask you what its for. Never seen anything as specific as a moderation policy for hosting sites when signing up

Every Hosting provider has terms and conditions and whilst they may not mention moderation as such they will cover for it under those t&C's. They aren't going to leave themselves open for law suits.

timmyntc

Infernal Racket wrote: »

Exactly this right here. Why do people find all of this so hard to understand?

I think the problem that people are only now seeing, is that letting the market regulate itself does not work. Funny, because most republicans would have been fully pro-free market up until now - we're all idealists until your ideals come round to bite you in the ass.

What is/isn't acceptable content is something that needs defined by government really - leaving it up to the market (social media companies in this case) to self-regulate will inevitably lead to selective censorship - whether its censorship of competing platforms, or censorship of views they don't like for whatever reasons.

Even in this country we are all aware of certain Newspapers & Media groups having certain biases, so why would it be any surprise to see that happening in the world of social media also?