Twitter's alleged bias towards left-wing trolls.

mcgragger

twitter is an absolute pox upon humanity. In the cesspool of toxic social media it is the worst thing ever to curse us.
I hate it will all my being. I wish it and its ilk didnt exist. The negative output far outweighs the good.

The Nal

mcgragger wrote: »

twitter is an absolute pox upon humanity. In the cesspool of toxic social media it is the worst thing ever to curse us.
I hate it will all my being. I wish it and its ilk didnt exist. The negative output far outweighs the good.

Agree 100%. It didn't start like that. Either did Facebook. Was all light hearted and fun to begin with.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They are not the same thing, not even remotely.

The roots of communism and the roots of fascism are stupendously different.

It'd be like comparing the source of the River Nile to the source of the River Liffey.

And in practice it'd be like comparing earth to Lalande 21185.

But like, in practice they're similar enough..

mariaalice

mcgragger wrote: »

twitter is an absolute pox upon humanity. In the cesspool of toxic social media it is the worst thing ever to curse us.
I hate it will all my being. I wish it and its ilk didnt exist. The negative output far outweighs the good.

But why does it bring out the worst in human nature?, Twitter didn't invent cruelty, bullying, xenophobia, racism, victimhood, narcism.

Robert ninja

Just to clarify here, I never mentioned Dorsey. He is a slimey pro-censorship scumbag like the rest of the silicon valley villains. Dude looked practically out of it on adderall when Cruz was ripping him apart.

mariaalice wrote: »

In August 2020, Dorsey donated $10 million to Boston University's Center for Antiracist Research

What a gigantic waste of money.

mariaalice wrote: »

How does being Jewish stop you from being white?

How does being Chinese stop you from being Korean? It's off topic my dude. Go read or something.

mariaalice wrote: »

But why does it bring out the worst in human nature?, Twitter didn't invent cruelty, bullying, xenophobia, racism, victimhood, narcism.

Its whole design is finely tuned for conflict and echo chambers.

The Nal

The Nal wrote: »

Agree 100%. It didn't start like that. Either did Facebook. Was all light hearted and fun to begin with.

Yeh, twitter was fun until Trump. Both sides fairly radicalised after that.

revelman

Is anyone else frustrated by the labels of “right wing” and “left wing”? I mean these used to mean something a long time ago but they do not seem very apt today. I see people who regard themselves as ‘left wing’ going on luxury holidays to third world countries, flaunting their Apple products while they are there (pre COVID at least). I see people who are described as ‘right wing’ who do not believe in free trade, think globalisation has gone too far and in previous decades would have been active members of trade unions.

Are there different labels that can be used? Or perhaps it is the case that this is all too complex for simple labels. I see myself as a moderate that sees sense in what some people who call themselves ‘leftists’ advocate but I also see some sense in what some people who think of themselves as ‘right wing’ say. I don’t think I’m alone...

The Nal

revelman wrote: »

I see myself as a moderate that sees sense in what some people who call themselves ‘leftists’ advocate but I also see some sense in what some people who think of themselves as ‘right wing’ say. I don’t think I’m alone...

Yeah but you can't "win" a Twitter argument in 280 characters with that rational mentality.

Junkyard Tom

I find it amusing that the usual crowd consider the big tech companies allies of the 'left'.

mariaalice

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I find it amusing that the usual crowd consider the big tech companies allies of the 'left'.

I know, it's hilarious however I think their grip is what they perceive as the cultural leftism of the big tech companies.

mariaalice

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/9/14543938/donald-trump-richard-rorty-election-liberalism-conservatives

This is an excellent explanation of the issue.

.anon.

The Nal wrote: »

Agree 100%. It didn't start like that. Either did Facebook. Was all light hearted and fun to begin with.

It still is lighthearted and fun if you follow the right people and mute certain words. That's been my experience anyway.

mariaalice

.anon. wrote: »

It still is lighthearted and fun if you follow the right people and mute certain words. That's been my experience anyway.

Indeed. The thought is father to the deed comes to mind, people choose who to follow.

Invidious

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I find it amusing that the usual crowd consider the big tech companies allies of the 'left'.

Why wouldn't they consider big tech to be allies of the left? The Irish Times reported recently that over 90 percent of Google's $11 million in political donations last year went to Democrats. Of Microsoft's $6.7 million in political donations, only $74,000 went to Trump, with the rest overwhelmingly directed to Democrats.

conorhal

mariaalice wrote: »

How does being Jewish stop you from being white?


This is a list of Jack Dorsey Philanthropy

In March 2016, Dorsey fully funded about 600 Missouri public school projects registered at DonorsChoose.[91]

In October 2019, Dorsey donated $350,000 to #TeamTrees, a nonprofit started by YouTuber MrBeast that pledged to plant 20 million trees by the end of 2019.[92][93]

On April 7, 2020, Dorsey announced that he will move about $1 billion of his equity in Square, Inc., just under a third of his total wealth, to Start Small, LLC, and to relief programs related to the coronavirus.[94][95] He committed to funding COVID-19 relief, girls' education and health, and universal basic income.[96] Dorsey has donated $24 million to over 40 different grantees for relief efforts.[97]

In August 2020, Dorsey donated $10 million to Boston University's Center for Antiracist Research, founded by Ibram X. Kendi.[98

Now I am not saying there isn't self-interest in any of this, but I would be fairy certain its not virtual signaling.

Oh it is absolutely a load of 'ol virtue signaling bollox. Why else would these tech oligarchs be buying off these people?

If there is one true thing they all have in common it's their blazing hypocrisy.

You have Apple lobbying against literal slavery:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/11/20/apple-uighur/

While Amazon, in their whole foods subsidiary employs a diversity policy for the purpose of
union busting:

https://observer.com/2020/04/amazon-whole-foods-anti-union-technology-heat-map/

All while Jeff Bezos points and shrieks, 'don't look at me, funding a Marxist organisation like BLM for ...reasons, look instead at the racist guy over there saying racist things to 12 followers on Twitter!'


Do you think that there is zero self interest in the money they pay to the quangocrats to stay silent?
Was their actions against Parler born out of a concern for democracy's future, or did he and his chums tank the app because this was the week in which there was no better time for a competitor to arise as Twitter stock lost by 5 billion in value as people fled the platform?

It's just stunningly naive to believe otherwise.

nolivesmatter

mariaalice wrote: »

How does being Jewish stop you from being white?

Funny, in that well known clip where Morgan Freeman says people should stop always referring to race the interviewer uses the fact that he's Jewish to do exactly that.

nolivesmatter

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I find it amusing that the usual crowd consider the big tech companies allies of the 'left'.

Nobody is really an ally of the left, they're just bullied and pressured into things by them. At least, the extreme left that is.

Junkyard Tom

Invidious wrote: »

political donations last year went to Democrats.

That you believe the Democrats are on the 'left' exposes just how utterly defeated the 'left' truly is.

conorhal

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

That you believe the Democrats are on the 'left' exposes just how utterly defeated the 'left' truly is.

I can't help but think that the left is about to bite the Democrats in the ass shortly.
The Republicans are currently quietly cutting the loonies loose in an attempt to regain a shred of credibility, while the Democrats have emboldened their lefty wingnuts, who are poised to take over that basket case of a party which is only held together by their mutual hatred of Trump.
Both backed the wrong horse, but the Democrats are the ones that seem poised to double down on their stupidity.

Nermal

https://twitter.com/Policy/status/1349059275461685250

LOL

Junkyard Tom

conorhal wrote: »

Democrats have emboldened their lefty wingnuts,

More of it. Wanting stuff like universal healthcare, every other western country has, in the richest, most powerful, country in the World is 'lefty wingnuts'.

Again it just shows how utterly defeated 'the left' is in the US when Irish people buy into the bull**** they hear from reactionary idiots on YouTube.

46 Long

Sonics2k wrote: »

Stalin was absolutely not left wing. He opposed education, wiped out towns and murdered millions.

Please stop pushing this absolute bull**** rhetoric that Stalin was left wing. It's like those absolute morons who go around claiming the Nazi's were socialists.

Funny old CV for someone who 'was absolutely not left wing.'

Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin (born Ioseb Besarionis dzе Jughashvili, 18 December [O.S. 6 December] 1878[2] – 5 March 1953) was a Georgian revolutionary and Soviet politician who ruled the Soviet Union from the mid-1920s until his death in 1953. During his years in power, he served as both General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (1922–1952) and Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Soviet Union (1941–1953). Despite initially governing the country as part of a collective leadership, he ultimately consolidated power to become the Soviet Union's de facto leader by the 1930s. A communist ideologically committed to the Leninist interpretation of Marxism, Stalin formalised these ideas as Marxism–Leninism while his own policies are known as Stalinism.


Stalinism is the means of governing and policies which were implemented in the Soviet Union from 1927 to 1953 by Joseph Stalin. It is based on Marxism–Leninism and included the creation of a one-party totalitarian police state; rapid industrialization; the theory of socialism in one country; collectivization of agriculture; intensification of the class struggle under socialism; a cult of personality; and subordination of the interests of foreign communist parties to those of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, deemed by Stalinism to be the leading vanguard party of communist revolution at the time

nolivesmatter

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

More of it. Wanting stuff like universal healthcare, every other western country has, in the richest, most powerful, country in the World is 'lefty wingnuts'.

Strawman and you know it. That's typically not what most people are talking about with 'lefty wingnuts'.

FTA69

It's absolutely insane to see nominally left-wing people (rightly) criticise things like bias in the corporate print and televised media but then turn around and blithely suggest that Twitter and Facebook censoring political projects they don't like is ok as they are 'private platforms'. I mean that's the whole point - the fact that a few oligarchs have now acquired immense control over society's communications to the point they can censor the president of the most powerful country in the world is extremely worrying.

These corporations aren't booting Trump out of a sense of decency but out of a desire to see a smooth transformation of power and the continuance of the status quo whereby they can continue to accrue unimaginable wealth and power and influence. Ironically, the tactics they are deploying now will be used against any left-wing challenge. If a President gets in that wanted to tax the f*ck out of these people then we'll see their agenda laid bare. Facebook have already banned Press TV and Twitter has censored Cuba and Venezuelan politicians as well as the Kurdish freedom movement. (I got banned for posting a picture of Kurdish leader Abdullah Ocalan.) Now these might not be popular examples for many but it shows you the motivations at play - arbiters of what's acceptable politically and what's not with zero accountability to anyone.

Any serious left-wing person (and by that I mean people who want to see radical economic change not capitalist-minded people who want to fuss over nonsense like white privilege and trans bathrooms) should be immensely concerned with this development. Back in the day we had manufacturing oligarchs, then the Big Oil tycoons, then the banking and stock cartel - now the new Masters of the Universe are the tech companies and they have the same rapacious, selfish and anti-democratic ideals as any of their predecessors.

Back in the day capitalists used The American Dream and blind patriotism to bamboozle workers into compliance, nowadays we have the most unfettered capitalism and many are happy with it because it flies a rainbow flag or a BLM logo.

PintOfView

Can someone help me to understand what left and right wing mean today?
I'd love a list of what lefties and righties believe, and the 'extreme' and 'radical' shades of same, so I can see where I fit in!

FTA69

PintOfView wrote: »

Can someone help me to understand what left and right wing mean today?
I'd love a list of what lefties and righties believe, and the 'extreme' and 'radical' shades of same, so I can see where I fit in!

It's supposed to be about economics. The three traditional cleavages were Liberalism, Conservativism and Socialism.

The latter now seems to have been consumed in many respects by the former to the point ordinary people without a pot to p*ss in are confused as f*ck because they simply want material change that effects their lives as opposed to wanting to fuss over niche issues.

Much of what passes for 'left' today is in fact individualist liberalism and nothing to do with collective empowerment.

PintOfView

FTA69 wrote: »

It's supposed to be about economics. The three traditional cleavages were Liberalism, Conservativism and Socialism.

The latter now seems to have been consumed in many respects by the former to the point ordinary people without a pot to p*ss in are confused as f*ck because they simply want material change that effects their lives as opposed to wanting to fuss over niche issues.

Much of what passes for 'left' today is in fact individualist liberalism and nothing to do with collective empowerment.

I see plenty of reference to 'extreme right' and 'radical left', and a new one on me, 'progressives', which sounds like it should be a positive thing but from the context it would appear it's being used in a derogatory sense.

Any examples of what opinions I'd hold if I was in any of those categories?

revelman

PintOfView wrote: »

I see plenty of reference to 'extreme right' and 'radical left', and a new one on me, 'progressives', which sounds like it should be a positive thing but from the context it would appear it's being used in a derogatory sense.

Any examples of what opinions I'd hold if I was in any of those categories?

Do we have to be in ‘categories’? Isn’t that half the reason why people have gone bonkers on social media? Human beings are complex creatures and life is bloody complex. I don’t think things can be put into neat categories.

Junkyard Tom

FTA69 wrote: »

Ironically, the tactics they are deploying now will be used against any left-wing challenge. If a President gets in that wanted to tax the f*ck out of these people then we'll see their agenda laid bare. Facebook have already banned Press TV and Twitter has censored Cuba and Venezuelan politicians as well as the Kurdish freedom movement. (I got banned for posting a picture of Kurdish leader Abdullah Ocalan.)

Exactly. They're already doing it, so why worry? It's like you're going to be shot in the morning but you're pleading for mercy for the people who've framed you. Complete waste of effort.

What we're seeing with the purging of Trumpers and Q-anon freaks is the corporate media trying to control its own monsters.

iebamm2580

Nermal wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Policy/status/1349059275461685250

LOL

Was just about to post it, you couldn't make it up.