The way forward for LC2021

km79

am_zarathustra wrote: »

Like if there was some sort of pandemic and they were isolating. Thats a stupid turn around, are all the matrices in schools?

Our school 100% did not receive them yet

Mardy Bum

Treppen wrote: »

Or how about, let teachers use their professional judgement.

I'm afraid 40 years of research would suggest that this doesn't work either.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1747938X20308344

I am not faulting you just illustrating the impossible position teachers are in. Guessing grades is a fools game and anyone who thinks it is easy is woefully ignorant.

Alex86Eire

am_zarathustra wrote: »

Thats a stupid turn around, are all the matrices in schools?

Ours were done today anyway.

am_zarathustra

km79 wrote: »

Our school 100% did not receive them yet

Alex86Eire wrote: »

Ours were done today anyway.

Thanks so in some but not others, that's grand. I'll tip in earlier and see anyway!

Good to know they will have the second window in April

km79

The SEC want the schools to work our all the centers for June by next Friday
But the number of students sitting the exams won’t be evident until the week after
Makes no sense

LW2018

km79 wrote: »

The SEC want the schools to work our all the centers for June by next Friday
But the number of students sitting the exams won’t be evident until the week after
Makes no sense

And then to retain the same class pod / bubble insofar as is possible - which would involve them not shutting down centres early and joining them with others. I have to go back and see the rooming situation tomorrow. How many are people feeling will fit into a centre at 2m apart? The typical rooms we use have students in an exam layout seating plan and allows for 28 at 1m distance. 14 would be too tight a squeeze with the superintendent needs to also be 2m away... is there a ballpark number of max candidates?

r93kaey5p2izun

It says a 49m2 room would fit 10 candidates plus superintendent.

km79

LW2018 wrote: »

And then to retain the same class pod / bubble insofar as is possible - which would involve them not shutting down centres early and joining them with others. I have to go back and see the rooming situation tomorrow. How many are people feeling will fit into a centre at 2m apart? The typical rooms we use have students in an exam layout seating plan and allows for 28 at 1m distance. 14 would be too tight a squeeze with the superintendent needs to also be 2m away... is there a ballpark number of max candidates?

10
But large gyms/halls can house more than one centre

ethical

Schools are back only a week and some have had to send classes home already due to positive COVID19 outbreaks amongst Leaving Certs.
The interesting thing is that we do not seem to have gotten any further than before Christmas.I know of a case ,the other day,where a student was Covid positive and yet only one teacher was "named" as a CLOSE CONTACT,yet the student had class with at least 4 other teachers that day with one teacher having two double classes (2 different subjects) with said student ,yet this teacher was NOT deemed a close contact!!! Same as before Christmas,nothing has changed,schools are safe,teachers do not get Covid and Norma is the best Education Minister EVVVVVVEEEEERRRRRRR! Who the fcuk are we fooling!

Warbeastrior

ethical wrote:

Schools are back only a week and some have had to send classes home already due to positive COVID19 outbreaks amongst Leaving Certs. The interesting thing is that we do not seem to have gotten any further than before Christmas.I know of a case ,the other day,where a student was Covid positive and yet only one teacher was "named" as a CLOSE CONTACT,yet the student had class with at least 4 other teachers that day with one teacher having two double classes (2 different subjects) with said student ,yet this teacher was NOT deemed a close contact!!! Same as before Christmas,nothing has changed,schools are safe,teachers do not get Covid and Norma is the best Education Minister EVVVVVVEEEEERRRRRRR! Who the fcuk are we fooling!

This is a disgrace.
Norma Foley and this government should be ashamed of themselves.

Bobtheman

I think the above is disgraceful but not surprised.
Can I ask if the CBA in English are still going ahead?

Treppen

Bobtheman wrote: »

I think the above is disgraceful but not surprised.
Can I ask if the CBA in English are still going ahead?

CBAs going ahead is laughable, the whole point was that they were done in class.

Bobtheman

I'm awaiting clarification on them.

Bobtheman

I will say it here but in retrospect opening schools in March will be seen as too premature and I can plug being pulled on all kids back in April

Aquals

I was thinking the very same thing today, as I was listening to news of an uptick in the 14-day average case numbers this week. I'm starting to think that it's beginning to look less likely that I'll see 1st - 4th years coming back in that week after Easter. But, as always, who knows?!

wirelessdude01

I still think it take a monumental increase in numbers for them to amend any part of the school reopening.

km79

Orals
Teachers going to neighboring schools
Mixing with another cohort of students

jimmytwotimes 2013

km79 wrote: »

Orals
Teachers going to neighboring schools
Mixing with another cohort of students

Plenty teachers examining their own classes which is a different kinda weird

Bobtheman

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I still think it take a monumental increase in numbers for them to amend any part of the school reopening.

We shall see

noplacehere

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I still think it take a monumental increase in numbers for them to amend any part of the school reopening.

I have to agree. But with vaccinations still very hard come by if numbers increase fast which seems very likely it would be very risky. Essentially just hoping enough of the vulnerable have been vaccinated so that the hospitals aren’t over run. If we were another month into the vaccines schedule I’d be less worried

Str8outtaWuhan

how do teachers feel about this

surely next yrs 5th yrs will need help as they never sat a JC

https://www.thejournal.ie/schools-fifth-years-leaving-certificate-norma-foley-5380481-Mar2021/

Random sample

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

how do teachers feel about this

surely next yrs 5th yrs will need help as they never sat a JC

https://www.thejournal.ie/schools-fifth-years-leaving-certificate-norma-foley-5380481-Mar2021/

It’s what I have been expecting. I hope for my subject that they get the same reduction as this years 6th years had announced in august.

Mardy Bum

Random sample wrote: »

It’s what I have been expecting. I hope for my subject that they get the same reduction as this years 6th years had announced in august.

It is only fair. Indeed, the exams for the next few three years should be altered in some fashion. Otherwise, rushed and short sighted teaching to the test will replace any sort of meaningful learning for students.

wirelessdude01

Mardy Bum wrote: »

It is only fair. Indeed, the exams for the next few three years should be altered in some fashion. Otherwise, rushed and short sighted teaching to the test will replace any sort of meaningful learning for students.

Realistically if things go back to "normal" from the next school year you have to make accommodations for current 5th years, transition years and also this years 3rd years as they won't have sat a state exam previously then it comes to their leaving cert Also possibly this years 2nd years as well as they have had two disrupted years when it comes to next years junior cert.

jimmytwotimes 2013

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

how do teachers feel about this

surely next yrs 5th yrs will need help as they never sat a JC

https://www.thejournal.ie/schools-fifth-years-leaving-certificate-norma-foley-5380481-Mar2021/

Some have, some havent

Those who did TY sat the JC

noplacehere

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Realistically if things go back to "normal" from the next school year you have to make accommodations for current 5th years, transition years and also this years 3rd years as they won't have sat a state exam previously then it comes to their leaving cert Also possibly this years 2nd years as well as they have had two disrupted years when it comes to next years junior cert.

The current second years are well behind where I would expect them to be academically and if I’m honest with their characteristics as a cohort. I find many have not had the usual first year characteristics rubbed off them and ‘grown up’ as you would expect a second year group to have done by this stage. I am concerned about them going forward.

On a personal level my current TYs have pretty much had the worst secondary school experience you could have imagined as they had disruption in 1st-3rd year for a multitude of reasons including covid. We were all hoping to give them a brilliant TY.... now they are going into 5th year with four years of ugh behind them

ETA: academically in terms of the curriculum required for the exam. Not in terms of ability as such

Bobtheman

We shall have many reports and newspaper articles about the loss our youth have experienced
But there will be **** all extra resources in mental health. Nor will society ever tackle some of the real culprits of mental health
1) the booze industry
2) gambling
3) **** housing and childcare
4) Facebook and other social media that wreck kids lives

But yet tons of newsprint about mental health and seek help! But there is **** all help available

snor

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Some have, some havent

Those who did TY sat the JC

None of next years 5th years will have sat the JC - regardless of whether they did TY or not.,

Rosita

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I still think it take a monumental increase in numbers for them to amend any part of the school reopening.

Firstly, I would say that based on what's happening in Europe a monumental increase in quite possible.

Secondly, I think we have passed the stage of 'not an inch' when it comes to schools. They are no longer defending a perfect record. Also, the heavy lifting has been done on state exams, and there are only seven weeks left anyway.

More crucially to not bring the remaining students back on 12 April would not involve a really active decision. 'As you were' is always most attractive to policymakers. I think it could go either way right now.

jimmytwotimes 2013

snor wrote: »

None of next years 5th years will have sat the JC - regardless of whether they say TY or not.,

Yes, this years 5th have tho, that's the group I was referring to. Surely they'll be sitting the LC next year with altered papers. After that you'd hope the LC will run its normal course.