Racing season 21

dahat

For those involved or with more knowledge than me any estimate when there may be racing in Ireland?

March is a no go for me & in terms of training to a start date maybe May?

This new variant could kill all non elite sport for a long time this year.

G1032

I'd say we haven't a snowballs chance in hell of seeing a race before June.
I've no more knowledge that yourself I'd imagine but I just can't see any racing going ahead.
I'm going to keep training away anyway but obviously without a specific start date in mind.

wirelessdude01

June/July/August could be possible.

Bambaata

I expect nothing before mid to late summer, perhaps July/August. Any season at all would be great, even 6-8 weeks of it!

I keep saying this to myself anyway when i realise i havent started any training yet

Euppy

I hope that Cycling Ireland would push for the ability to hold TT races, and that race organisers would be willing to run some more.



Big bunch cycling any time soon is a hard sell in my eyes

07Lapierre

Small club races? Possible in June,July,August? But who knows...we could be in level 5 no. 4 by then!

dahat

Regional club leagues with limited numbers could be possible but it depends on the buy in from stakeholders as well.

CramCycle

Talking to the virologists in work, it really depends on how safe the government play it. People don't seem to realise that the vaccine even at wide spread coverage might not put an end to restrictions if we play it safe, until blanket coverage is achieved, we should be cautious.

In reality, I see local club Strava TT leagues and Zwift leagues for the immediate future, at least till summer. Maybe real TT races over the summer, and a return to real racing in time for the CX season.

Personally, having talked to a friend who manages one of the private testing labs, the Ct numbers (indicative of viral load in laymans terms), have lowered in a large subset of people who were asymptomatic since mid December (basically means they had higher amounts of virus spreading from them). This fits in with Cillian de Gascun being way off the mark and the more virulent strains being quite embedded in the population since mid December.

The Vaccines are great but the fear of long covid has me playing it cautious, even if its allowed earlier, unless things change drastically, I won't be doing much past Strava KOMs for many months. I say this as someone who was out at Mondello and organising Club league races in the middle of last year. I was happy that the viral load in the outdoors was simply not a factor for infection rates. With the current strains showing Ct values >2 lower, I will wait until the epidemiology analyses it, I'll play it safe. Gridded starts and restricted numbers might make it far safer but until the data comes in, I'll wait it out.

For clarity, I manage a lab, I am not a virologist or an epidemiologist and my views are my own and just playing off the back off socially distant water cooler talk. I am happy to say I could be completely wrong.

daragh_

Hmmm. Time to reset the training to be more TT Focused?

ednwireland

CramCycle wrote: »

Talking to the virologists in work, it really depends on how safe the government play it. People don't seem to realise that the vaccine even at wide spread coverage might not put an end to restrictions if we play it safe, until blanket coverage is achieved, we should be cautious.

funny that i was having a very similar discussion with a work colleague yesterday.
i dont see any change in restrictions in 2021 hopefully summer gives us some respite (i don't work in any medical field so my opinion is totally irrelevant !)

nilhg

Listening to Leo Varadkar and Paschal Donohue say business should be prepared to stay shut till the end of March and the seeing UK abandon any effort to run state exams in June (can the LC be far behind?) has taken the wind out of my sails big time. So much depends on the roll out of the vaccines and what attitude the health authorities take as the various age groups are done, will there be a general relaxation of restrictions once all the 60+ age group are done or 50+ aor even younger?

I'll be racing mostly with the IVCA so I'd expect a more cautious attitude there than maybe CI will take.

lennymc

nilhg wrote: »

I'll be racing mostly with the IVCA so I'd expect a more cautious attitude there than maybe CI will take.

what is the latest with ivca - i had planned on racing with them last year, but then covid, but havent heard anything in relation to this year.

Whyner

Depressing thread

Time to renovate the pain cave

nilhg

lennymc wrote: »

what is the latest with ivca - i had planned on racing with them last year, but then covid, but havent heard anything in relation to this year.

I'm only a very ordinary member but the plan for 2021 was to affiliate with CI and run the IVCA schedule as a large club league, anyone riding would need at least a CI LC licence.

I haven't heard anything since end of last season so I'm presuming that there were no unexpected hitches and we'll be good to go once the covid situation allows.

dahat

Whyner wrote: »

Depressing thread

Time to renovate the pain cave

I’ve got a half decent one now but thread is still depressing.

Looks like I may need to reassess my coaching if things don’t improve around May.

lennymc

nilhg wrote: »

I'm only a very ordinary member but the plan for 2021 was to affiliate with CI and run the IVCA schedule as a large club league, anyone riding would need at least a CI LC licence.

I haven't heard anything since end of last season so I'm presuming that there were no unexpected hitches and we'll be good to go once the covid situation allows.

Thanks for that - I'm also only a very ordinary member. Would make sense I guess.

Macy0161

Went full on with the mancave since full lockdown, for training and drinking!

I've the club open race in mid-June as the end of my plan in TrainerRoad plan builder, but am not optimistic.

I think a lot miss the point that while the old and those with underlying conditions are most vulnerable, it doesn't mean everyone else is zero risk. So I don't expect things back to "normal" until vaccine levels are up to effective levels, which possibly may be higher with the new variants than was initially expected.

I'd share the fear of getting long covid myself, having seen the impact of it on someone a similar age. While maybe not as fit me, they weren't unfit (had a physical job) and weren't overweight. He had it in March, up to and including ICU, and they're still f*cked. I don't know whether it's the winter period, bubble over christmas, but I'm much more wary now.

I went with an Open race licence, but was keeping an eye on the IVCA to see did they open membership - it doesn't appear to have been updated in months?

JimmiesRustled

dahat wrote: »

I’ve got a half decent one now but thread is still depressing.

Looks like I may need to reassess my coaching if things don’t improve around May.

Base training all season long

On a slightly different note, it might be a good time to dial in what works and what doesn't. All riders respond to different levels on intensity and duration differently. I know lads that would be able to put in 6-8 hours a week and still rip the legs off everyone around them and others putting in 15 hours a week just to keep up.

For me anyway it'll be a bit of trial and error to try and figure out what works best. Reassess every few months to see where things stand and change it up if required. I'm giving Xert a shot with the recommended workouts based on their version of TSS (XSS). If it works it works. If it doesn't the worst of it will be getting dropped in Zwift races.

daragh_

Macy0161 wrote: »

I went with an Open race licence, but was keeping an eye on the IVCA to see did they open membership - it doesn't appear to have been updated in months?

AFAIK closed to new members for the moment. A few of my Club mates have tried to join with no success.

Macy0161

daragh_ wrote: »

AFAIK closed to new members for the moment. A few of my Club mates have tried to join with no success.

Missed the deadline in 2019 for 2020 by a couple of days. tbh fair enough in the circumstances.

lennymc

Macy0161 wrote: »

Missed the deadline in 2019 for 2020 by a couple of days. tbh fair enough in the circumstances.

I would imagine it would be closed until the whole covid thing blows over

daragh_

lennymc wrote: »

I would imagine it would be closed until the whole covid thing blows over

Yep. Will be a while before I get to see you vanish up the road :rolleyes:

lennymc

daragh_ wrote: »

Yep. Will be a while before I get to see you vanish up the road :rolleyes:

it will most certainly be a while before anyone sees me vanishing up the road - does going out the back count as vanishing up the road?

harringtonp

CramCycle wrote: »

In reality, I see local club Strava TT leagues and Zwift leagues for the immediate future, at least till summer. Maybe real TT races over the summer, and a return to real racing in time for the CX season.

Personally, having talked to a friend who manages one of the private testing labs, the Ct numbers (indicative of viral load in laymans terms), have lowered in a large subset of people who were asymptomatic since mid December (basically means they had higher amounts of virus spreading from them). This fits in with Cillian de Gascun being way off the mark and the more virulent strains being quite embedded in the population since mid December.

That's interesting. It would be useful if they gave people a number when they test positive rather a "true" boolean value.

And I wouldn't agree with your take on the race schedule... you can buy me a pint if you're wrong and we meet in person at a race over the summer :-)

And the reasoning is that we all suffer from the everlasting doom and boom effect. Covid is bad now but the more of it there is around the less there will be afterwards. This peak is already worse than last springs peak and it's earlier in the year too. When the curve does go down there will be less people to get infected on the next rise due to a combination of previous infections and vaccination.

Considering this and the gradual tendency over time towards less restrictive measures for a give case count (living with covid), its hard to see how there could be less racing than last year and there was a late summer season last year.

Even though its hard to imagine beyond the current doom and gloom, I would even suspect there will be a lot more racing and events than last year rather than just a bit more.

This phase is bad (in Ireland) but I'd bet on it being the last of it, the last big bang so as to speak. I'm not saying it will disappear but come March we will be talking very manageable levels from there on in.

Raymzor

harringtonp wrote: »

That's interesting. It would be useful if they gave people a number when they test positive rather a "true" boolean value.

And I wouldn't agree with your take on the race schedule... you can buy me a pint if you're wrong and we meet in person at a race over the summer :-)

And the reasoning is that we all suffer from the everlasting doom and boom effect. Covid is bad now but the more of it there is around the less there will be afterwards. This peak is already worse than last springs peak and it's earlier in the year too. When the curve does go down there will be less people to get infected on the next rise due to a combination of previous infections and vaccination.

Considering this and the gradual tendency over time towards less restrictive measures for a give case count (living with covid), its hard to see how there could be less racing than last year and there was a late summer season last year.

Even though its hard to imagine beyond the current doom and gloom, I would even suspect there will be a lot more racing and events than last year rather than just a bit more.

This phase is bad (in Ireland) but I'd bet on it being the last of it, the last big bang so as to speak. I'm not saying it will disappear but come March we will be talking very manageable levels from there on in.

I agree with your views above. Unfortunately it took a 7 week full lockdown followed by a 5 week level 3 type lockdown for racing to be viable in 2020.

CramCycle

harringtonp wrote: »

That's interesting. It would be useful if they gave people a number when they test positive rather a "true" boolean value.

I would disagree, as the number could be indicative of alot of things and with all the CT nuts out there claiming a high Ct value is not a real positive. You would see people jumping on, well its a false positive (incredibly rare, false negatives are far more likely), well the number is so high I must be over the hump of it so I don't need to wait two weeks and so on. Some people will jump on any justification to get around something and regrettably, while I would have agreed with this type of rationale in the past, there is too much BS floating around for anyone to be trusted to do what they are meant to if given the true number.

harringtonp

CramCycle wrote: »

I would disagree, as the number could be indicative of alot of things and with all the CT nuts out there claiming a high Ct value is not a real positive. You would see people jumping on, well its a false positive (incredibly rare, false negatives are far more likely), well the number is so high I must be over the hump of it so I don't need to wait two weeks and so on. Some people will jump on any justification to get around something and regrettably, while I would have agreed with this type of rationale in the past, there is too much BS floating around for anyone to be trusted to do what they are meant to if given the true number.

Take your point. Except people can ignore it all anyway... Reject the close contact call, block HSE reminder texts, not tell family or friends, pretend it all never happened.

Those who want to do the right thing will do it regardless of a number, those who don't won't .

Macy0161

harringtonp wrote: »

And the reasoning is that we all suffer from the everlasting doom and boom effect. Covid is bad now but the more of it there is around the less there will be afterwards. This peak is already worse than last springs peak and it's earlier in the year too. When the curve does go down there will be less people to get infected on the next rise due to a combination of previous infections and vaccination.

I think we'll be waiting for widespread vaccination. There's no reliable antibody test, at least that establishes immunity. We're currently not testing anyone but the symptomatic (and in wave 1, we weren't even testing all the symptomatic). So I don't see previous infection levels coming into play at all.

It also assumes the next variants don't negatively impact on the effectiveness of the vaccines. There's already question marks on the oxford vaccine because of the uk and saf variants as I understand it, and the higher transmission rates mean we need a higher vaccine up take of the current ones for the same level of effectiveness.

Hopefully you're more in line with what happens than I am though!

Raymzor

dahat wrote: »

For those involved or with more knowledge than me any estimate when there may be racing in Ireland?

March is a no go for me & in terms of training to a start date maybe May?

This new variant could kill all non elite sport for a long time this year.

Any new views on this one. I could use some motivation!!!

wirelessdude01

Raymzor wrote: »

Any new views on this one. I could use some motivation!!!

Mid May is the rumour but realistically I think mid July.

dahat

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Mid May is the rumour but realistically I think mid July.

Heard the same locally but I’d take that with a pinch of salt.

I would however be more hopeful of club leagues within county going ahead earlier with limited numbers.

CramCycle

Literally no way to know. It's dependent on vaccination rates, do many of the major vaccines actually reduce transmission (likely but unproven), what coverage we have, what decisions government have made, is it seasonal and so on. Train for it and hope for the best Anyone saying it will start by X date though should be roundly ignored as there is no way to know. Accept 2 days are gone, it will be one days on courses that require little prep. For example, you could run the Newbridge GP with 10 people + Comms at the drop of a hat. The Laragh Classic takes rolling road closures, over 50 marshals excluding lead cars and other people, lunacy to plan on it going ahead.

nilhg

CramCycle wrote: »

Literally no way to know. It's dependent on vaccination rates, do many of the major vaccines actually reduce transmission (likely but unproven), what coverage we have, what decisions government have made, is it seasonal and so on. Train for it and hope for the best Anyone saying it will start by X date though should be roundly ignored as there is no way to know. Accept 2 days are gone, it will be one days on courses that require little prep. For example, you could run the Newbridge GP with 10 people + Comms at the drop of a hat. The Laragh Classic takes rolling road closures, over 50 marshals excluding lead cars and other people, lunacy to plan on it going ahead.

Going OT here now but I live on the Newbridge GP circuit and while what you say used to be the case I'm not sure if it applies any more, covid restrictions aside, traffic levels on those roads have increased significantly as housing supply in Rathangan has grown. Sunday lunchtimes are nearly as bad as school times and rush hour in the morning and evenings.

CramCycle

nilhg wrote: »

Going OT here now but I live on the Newbridge GP circuit and while what you say used to be the case I'm not sure if it applies any more, covid restrictions aside, traffic levels on those roads have increased significantly as housing supply in Rathangan has grown. Sunday lunchtimes are nearly as bad as school times and rush hour in the morning and evenings.

I have run a few races out there, so you are right, you re dealing with alot of traffic on a Saturday or Sunday morning which has increased over the years but it doesn't change the number of marshals or organisation. Its a lovely course with very few corners that require marshals. My club league had more marshals on the corners than the Newbridge GP has. This is the same for every course, those extra cars don't change how many marshals you have, they just make you revisit whether you run the race. Its an open race, you can't do much else. Personally the only change I would make to it is to change the finish to the top of Boston Hill and shut the road down for about 2 minutes while it happens (with Gardai permission of course), as that sprint finish, due to the clear lines of sight seems to encourage some awful sprinters to go for it. It is also because I like Hill Top finishes.

nilhg

CramCycle wrote: »

I have run a few races out there, so you are right, you re dealing with alot of traffic on a Saturday or Sunday morning which has increased over the years but it doesn't change the number of marshals or organisation. Its a lovely course with very few corners that require marshals. My club league had more marshals on the corners than the Newbridge GP has. This is the same for every course, those extra cars don't change how many marshals you have, they just make you revisit whether you run the race. Its an open race, you can't do much else. Personally the only change I would make to it is to change the finish to the top of Boston Hill and shut the road down for about 2 minutes while it happens (with Gardai permission of course), as that sprint finish, due to the clear lines of sight seems to encourage some awful sprinters to go for it. It is also because I like Hill Top finishes.

I hate hilltop finishes.....

I think you need more motos as traffic increases, also as the amount of dropped riders/split groups increases on a course the potential for incidents increases dramatically, on these roads traffic speeds are high, sightlines not always great, people take chances......

P2C

I am redeployed working in contact tracing for the last year. Complex settings. Specifically schools, crèches etc. I have had a limited number of crèches since January. They are running at approximately 1/3 of normal capacity. If the virus presents via staff or child in the setting it is spreading rapidly within the setting. We are seeing 70-80 % positive. The new strain is noting like what we were dealing with before Xmas where there was limited onward transmission in schools. I actually can not comprehend how we will operate a schools etc over the next few months with out spread. The only way is by reducing the cases in the community to close to zero as possible. Therefore if schools is the priority I can’t see anything happening. I have a Ironman booked for August and had holidays for July in Furte as I honestly felt before Xmas with the vaccine and what we were dealing with we would be fully operational . Hopefully some TT’s

CramCycle wrote: »

Talking to the virologists in work, it really depends on how safe the government play it. People don't seem to realise that the vaccine even at wide spread coverage might not put an end to restrictions if we play it safe, until blanket coverage is achieved, we should be cautious.

In reality, I see local club Strava TT leagues and Zwift leagues for the immediate future, at least till summer. Maybe real TT races over the summer, and a return to real racing in time for the CX season.

Personally, having talked to a friend who manages one of the private testing labs, the Ct numbers (indicative of viral load in laymans terms), have lowered in a large subset of people who were asymptomatic since mid December (basically means they had higher amounts of virus spreading from them). This fits in with Cillian de Gascun being way off the mark and the more virulent strains being quite embedded in the population since mid December.

The Vaccines are great but the fear of long covid has me playing it cautious, even if its allowed earlier, unless things change drastically, I won't be doing much past Strava KOMs for many months. I say this as someone who was out at Mondello and organising Club league races in the middle of last year. I was happy that the viral load in the outdoors was simply not a factor for infection rates. With the current strains showing Ct values >2 lower, I will wait until the epidemiology analyses it, I'll play it safe. Gridded starts and restricted numbers might make it far safer but until the data comes in, I'll wait it out.

For clarity, I manage a lab, I am not a virologist or an epidemiologist and my views are my own and just playing off the back off socially distant water cooler talk. I am happy to say I could be completely wrong.

wav1

Funny that that the Newbridge gp has cropped up in this discussion.just got an email on Thursday requesting a change to September for that one..
As for a racing season generally who knows but might become somewhat clearer on March 5th.
My own gut feeling is that it will be akin to 2020 season which kicked off mid to late July but possibly a little earlier than that this year..so possibly a season from June through September
I already in my own head have plans to rearrange some of our own early season races (1 in March and 2 in April) to later on as required just like we did last year but really it's still wait and see..Worth noting that as things stand we have to get to level 2 to allow domestic sport..there are discussions ongoing with sport Ireland to allow some activities at level 3 but nothing clear on that yet AFAIK

CramCycle

nilhg wrote: »

I hate hilltop finishes.....

I think you need more motos as traffic increases, also as the amount of dropped riders/split groups increases on a course the potential for incidents increases dramatically, on these roads traffic speeds are high, sightlines not always great, people take chances......

If we had nice wide roads maybe but on that circuit, more moto GPs adds to the risk IMO, once a group is dropped, that is it, they are out once the follow car passes them and they should behave as if out for a social spin and then get off the course once they can, they aren't getting back on. The only really dangerous turn is the T junction after Boston Hill where the traffic from the right is coming around a bend as they approach the junction. I would add extra marshals here to go up the road a bit. Comms should also just put the hammer down from day one in regards crossing white lines, no messing, no warnings, they are out of the race, preferably for a bit longer to actually learn the lesson. No issues crossing the line to overtake but riders overtaking on a left hand bend really shouldn't need a marshal, they need a kick up the hole.

Also hill top finishes just scrub the speed and put off the riders who aren't really up for it from going for it, but I admit, they favour certain riders over others. Won my first club league race on that hill so I am biased I have to admit.

nilhg

CramCycle wrote: »

If we had nice wide roads maybe but on that circuit, more moto GPs adds to the risk IMO, once a group is dropped, that is it, they are out once the follow car passes them and they should behave as if out for a social spin and then get off the course once they can, they aren't getting back on. The only really dangerous turn is the T junction after Boston Hill where the traffic from the right is coming around a bend as they approach the junction. I would add extra marshals here to go up the road a bit. Comms should also just put the hammer down from day one in regards crossing white lines, no messing, no warnings, they are out of the race, preferably for a bit longer to actually learn the lesson. No issues crossing the line to overtake but riders overtaking on a left hand bend really shouldn't need a marshal, they need a kick up the hole.

Also hill top finishes just scrub the speed and put off the riders who aren't really up for it from going for it, but I admit, they favour certain riders over others. Won my first club league race on that hill so I am biased I have to admit.

I think both of us are on the same page here, it needs to be as safe as humanly possible, so all options have to be looked at, Vets race the circuit also but start at 9, mostly the races are over before the traffic gets bad...

Just remembered I broke a frame beyond repair headin to a sprint finish on top of Boston, club league race, 2.5 laps, handicap, both groups came together at the curragh last time round, there was a general stillness in the group till halfway up Boston then an attack came, everyone tried to follow, half the group ran out of legs very quickly and eased off, those coming through from behind ran into them. Chap from Naas came down sideways in front of me, I rode straight into him, went over the handlebars, bike still clipped in came round after me and then came loose and flew up the road, bodies all over the place. In a longer race it would have been whittled down more but league races don't tend to be that long.

harringtonp

Everyone talks about the newer variant being more infectious. But at the end of the day is it not all about covid hospitalisations ? So even if there are still a lot of transmissions and a lot of covid around, does it matter if hospital numbers are low ? So assuming vaccinations protect against serious symptoms and the most vulnerable will be protected come May is it not a case that there will be serious pressure to resume normal living ? And everything else that goes with it...

I'd say follow what happens in Israel, they are way ahead of the curve.

dahat

I would think that the rest of world is closely following Israel & how the country infection rates develop after the huge vaccination numbers to date.

CramCycle

harringtonp wrote: »

Everyone talks about the newer variant being more infectious. But at the end of the day is it not all about covid hospitalisations ? So even if there are still a lot of transmissions and a lot of covid around, does it matter if hospital numbers are low ? So assuming vaccinations protect against serious symptoms and the most vulnerable will be protected come May is it not a case that there will be serious pressure to resume normal living ? And everything else that goes with it...

I'd say follow what happens in Israel, they are way ahead of the curve.

And you are 100% about the vaccine, this is the governments policy, keep the hospitals in a workable condition by reducing load, rather than protecting everyone. I can see the point but considering the issues with long covid, I won't be too comfy until vaccine coverage comes as far as myself or infection rates are in the toilet, i.e. close to zero covid. Nonetheless, I am gagging for racing so I imagine I will just be sitting behind the bunch at the start line by a few metres and then trying to ride through and off the front if I can.

Beasty

My understanding is vaccinations don't seem to stop you getting it, but do greatly reduce symptoms.

I think the potential issue then becomes we may need to wait for everyone to be vaccinated before any mass participation events are allowed.

The follow up to that is we do not know how long the benefits of vaccination last. That leaves a potential scenario of those at highest risk possibly needing more of the vaccine before the population is fully vaccinated (ignoring those who refuse to have any vaccine - my own view is such individuals should be refused participation on large events/attendance at concerts, sporting events etc)

Overall beyond the possibility of TTs we might not get any racing this year, other than possible "elite" events (we were able to run track nationals last year, but not other events such as masters - may be the same this year - we did run a Summer track league and maybe we could do that again if numbers of cases drop significantly)

I'm still awaiting news from the IVCA and their affiliation to CI, but given the age profile of the organisation they may well also struggle to run races this year - again TTs may be an exception

Macy0161

GAA have come out this evening and said they don't expect on field training to resume until at least Easter after meeting Sport Ireland. Hard to see group spins resuming until then either if they're saying that to the GAA.

wirelessdude01

Macy0161 wrote: »

GAA have come out this evening and said they don't expect on field training to resume until at least Easter after meeting Sport Ireland. Hard to see group spins resuming until then either if they're saying that to the GAA.

And that is for senior inter county. Club will be a lot later getting the green light.

dahat

Macy0161 wrote: »

GAA have come out this evening and said they don't expect on field training to resume until at least Easter after meeting Sport Ireland. Hard to see group spins resuming until then either if they're saying that to the GAA.

GAA being classed as non elite is correcting a mistake from last year. They will now be classed in the same manner as cycling etc which is how should be.

Macy0161

dahat wrote: »

GAA being classed as non elite is correcting a mistake from last year. They will now be classed in the same manner as cycling etc which is how should be.

100% how it should've been, but still doesn't give me much hope as that organisation is the last untouchable institution in the State. In fairness, they had the GAA over a barrel this time, given all the outbreaks around county finals.

All non-elite sports they should prioritise underage, as per the previous level 5, imo.

harringtonp

Macy0161 wrote: »

100% how it should've been, but still doesn't give me much hope as that organisation is the last untouchable institution in the State. In fairness, they had the GAA over a barrel this time, given all the outbreaks around county finals.

All non-elite sports they should prioritise underage, as per the previous level 5, imo.

Pity. They were a great voice for sport last year. It was partly their agenda and drive that opened up other sports and allowed summer racing to occur.

dahat

harringtonp wrote: »

Pity. They were a great voice for sport last year. It was partly their agenda and drive that opened up other sports and allowed summer racing to occur.

Their drive to open up will help us this year as well, the can lobby government in a way very few other sports can.

JimmiesRustled

I see Tour of the North is moving to Zwift for this year. Only benefit there is I'm unlikely to crash out this year so might be able to finish it

okane1

JimmiesRustled wrote: »

I see Tour of the North is moving to Zwift for this year. Only benefit there is I'm unlikely to crash out this year so might be able to finish it

You might feel better to crash then complete the last stage!!