Rockall : Marine Scotland Boards Irish Boat

Scoondal

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2021/0105/1187865-rockall-fishing/

So, Rockall is owned by Scotland. That is news to me.

Gatling

Send in the navy .


Oh wait ......

TheValeyard

I really think we should just blow that rock up.

Dr Turk Turkelton

Rock on Rockall
You'll never fall
To Scotland's greedy hands...

Kivaro

I think we can take the Scots on this one.
Boris, and the English, are a bit peeved with them at the moment, so mightn't butt in.

Let's rock (!) lads and lassies Irish girls; let's kick some ass.
Rockall will never fall for Scottish greedy hands.
(How's the weather outside?)

joeysoap

How we laughed at it in the 50’’s when it British claimed Rockall. Not laughing now.

https://m.facebook.com/irishtimes/videos/archive-british-flag-hoisted-on-rockall-in-1955/336145137058145/

Atlantic Dawn

TheValeyard wrote: »

I really think we should just blow that rock up.

I think once it doesn't exist at low water it's no longer claimable, we could blow it out of the water at the next low tide.

Guy:Incognito

Kivaro wrote: »

I think we can take the Scots on this one.)

They have the nukes

Gatling

Kivaro wrote: »

I think we can take the Scots on this one.
Boris, and the English, are a bit peeved with them at the moment, so mightn't butt in.

Let's rock (!) lads and lassies Irish girls; let's kick some ass.
Rockall will never fall for Scottish greedy hands.
(How's the weather outside?)

The British claim it's there ,we claims it as outs and now the Scots are claiming it .
Can we organise a boat to sail out can claim it for boards

Kivaro

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

They have the nukes

No way in hell would the English give them the correct keys for those nukes.
We should attack at dawn.

The Inbetween is mine

Send our navy out to frighten them into submission.... and then they can be home by teatime

Say my name

There's a role for Tom Hanks in this..

josip

Joking aside, I wonder how far the British and Irish are prepared to push this?
It would be surprising if provision hadn't already been made for Rockall in the agreements since Fishing is a fundamental area of discussion and Gibraltar is fairly important for the Spanish.

Scoondal

Similar but worse west of The Philippines :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWwzZRlqykg

biko

Yep, another area where the Chinese push others out.


But this Rockall business was surprising.

John Doe1

As a Donegal man with Scottish parents, I will do my part in the upcoming war by making substandard dinner for the parents.

Silent Running

Just wait until the independent Scots want to get back into the EU.

biko

And hide it in a filing cabinet.

Collie D

John Doe1 wrote: »

As a Donegal man with Scottish parents, I will do my part in the upcoming war by making substandard dinner for the parents.

That will only invoke memories of the homeland.

mcmoustache

Why don't we take the southern bit, let the Brits take the northern bit and they can let the Scots run around on it.

malinheader

Really hope the government backs our fishermen this time.
They can make a wee bit of amends for all the times they sold them out.

eastie17

We should send one of our naval vessels up their for the craic. One of the newer ones mind, just in case it gets on the telly,
why not? If we feel we have a legitimate claim to it we should take a spin to back it up. Wave an independence ballot paper at the Scottish ship and they’ll sail away

km991148

eastie17 wrote: »

We should send one of our naval vessels up their for the craic. One of the newer ones mind, just in case it gets on the telly,

Sure - put the MV Cill Airne back into service - its not getting much use at the moment anyway..

HeidiHeidi

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/planting-the-tricolour-the-forgotten-irish-expedition-to-claim-rockall-1.3919959%3fmode=amp

Where are these lads when we need them???

josip

eastie17 wrote: »

We should send one of our naval vessels up their for the craic. One of the newer ones mind, just in case it gets on the telly,
why not? If we feel we have a legitimate claim to it we should take a spin to back it up. Wave an independence ballot paper at the Scottish ship and they’ll sail away

We don't seek any claim on it.
Basically we think it's too irrelevant to support any claim.
(Which was probably the best approach since we'd lose out if we tried to argue based on proximity.)

josip

josip wrote: »

We don't seek any claim on it.
Basically we think it's too irrelevant to support any claim.
(Which was probably the best approach since we'd lose out if we tried to argue based on proximity.)

Malvinas and all that.

Big dog wins.

suicide_circus

Silent Running wrote: »

Just wait until the independent Scots want to get back into the EU.

Veto the cünts!!

josip

suicide_circus wrote: »

Veto the cünts!!

May not even need to veto.
The EU's current policy on territorial disputes is for them to be resolved prior to accession.

https://apnews.com/article/c5cf55871f4041b3897ba692106fa3a1

malinheader

I thought that there was no change to fishing grounds but the UK were getting more quota and EU boats were losing quota. Am I wrong. Are UK waters closed to EU vessels inside 12 mile

touts

eastie17 wrote: »

We should send one of our naval vessels up their for the craic. One of the newer ones mind, just in case it gets on the telly,
why not? If we feel we have a legitimate claim to it we should take a spin to back it up. Wave an independence ballot paper at the Scottish ship and they’ll sail away

Don't our French partners have a couple of aircraft carriers.

suicide_circus

josip wrote: »

May not even need to veto.
The EU's current policy on territorial disputes is for them to be resolved prior to accession.

https://apnews.com/article/c5cf55871f4041b3897ba692106fa3a1

Well well well...

Marcusm

touts wrote: »

Don't our French partners have a couple of aircraft carriers.

They will co-own some new ones with the U.K. (no joke).

10000maniacs

Somebody had to do it. LOL (It's meant as a joke!)

Stihl waters

I Googled rockall, they're more than welcome to it

On another note now that Britain are "out out out" wouldn't that mean we have far superior firepower behind us with the full backing of the EU if we were deemed to have claim to it

Stihl waters

Stihl waters wrote: »

I Googled rockall, they're more than welcome to it

On another note now that Britain are "out out out" wouldn't that mean we have far superior firepower behind us with the full backing of the EU if we were deemed to have claim to it

If Ireland started the conflict, then most of Europe would be obliged to wade in behind the uk.

HalfAndHalf

Stihl waters wrote: »

I Googled rockall, they're more than welcome to it

On another note now that Britain are "out out out" wouldn't that mean we have far superior firepower behind us with the full backing of the EU if we were deemed to have claim to it

Please don’t.....the amount of times I’ve seen ‘if so and so helped us’ on here lately, it’s embarrassing!

jam_mac_jam

Is it not much nearer to Scotland than Ireland? Why have we any right to claim it. If Irish fishermen are in their waters they have every right to sop it.

runawaybishop

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Is it not much nearer to Scotland than Ireland? Why have we any right to claim it. If Irish fishermen are in their waters they have every right to sop it.

Wasn't it to do with the fact it's uninhabitable so it can't be claimed?

Aegir

Aegir wrote: »

If Ireland started the conflict, then most of Europe would be obliged to wade in behind the uk.

The only thing that could possibly save us would the UK being too embarrassed to ask for help.

For what it's worth we don't have a claim on it.
We say that it is an uninhabitable rock so it doesn't have a territory or nationality, doesn't have territorial waters, doesn't extend the Exclusive Economic Zone etc.

The British claim it is British.

Stihl waters

HalfAndHalf wrote: »

Please don’t.....the amount of times I’ve seen ‘if so and so helped us’ on here lately, it’s embarrassing!

Fair enough

HalfAndHalf

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The only thing that could possibly save us would the UK being too embarrassed to ask for help.

For what it's worth we don't have a claim on it.
We say that it is an uninhabitable rock so it doesn't have a territory or nationality, doesn't have territorial waters, doesn't extend the Exclusive Economic Zone etc.

The British claim it is British.

FWIW, found this on Wiki, not sure how accurate it is:

In 1988, Ireland and the United Kingdom signed an EEZ boundary agreement, ignoring the rock per UNCLOS.[2] With effect from 31 March 2014, the UK and Ireland published EEZ limits which include Rockall within the UK's EEZ.

So does sound like we’ve recognised it as U.K. waters.

The reason it’s so prized is it hugely rich in cod apparently, tonnes and tonnes of it.

Proximity wise it’s closer to Scotland, but also, according to the UN law of the sea if a rock is uninhabitable then it cannot be claimed.

As always with public service political things, it’s just another **** show that nobody has the ability to sort out! If only us that work in the private sector could get away with being so useless.

Stihl waters

Deleted User wrote: »

The only thing that could possibly save us would the UK being too embarrassed to ask for help.

For what it's worth we don't have a claim on it.
We say that it is an uninhabitable rock so it doesn't have a territory or nationality, doesn't have territorial waters, doesn't extend the Exclusive Economic Zone etc.

The British claim it is British.

Well if that's the case why would an Irish vessel vacate waters if they don't have to, would there be an actual threat of action against the trawler from the Scottish boat if they refused to leave

josip

Stihl waters wrote: »

Well if that's the case why would an Irish vessel vacate waters if they don't have to, would there be an actual threat of action against the trawler from the Scottish boat if they refused to leave

My understanding is that the trawler didn't have to vacate the waters

A temporary licence was issued to the boat to fish in UK waters, with the stipulation that as a EU Vessel, it is not authorised to fish within 12 nautical miles of Rockall.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55552455

Although I doubt there would be any threat of action, the Jura does have an "armament" characteristic on its wiki class page,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island-class_patrol_vessel

something that you won't find in any listing of the Northern Celt.

HalfAndHalf

HalfAndHalf wrote: »

So does sound like we’ve recognised it as U.K. waters.

The reason it’s so prized is it hugely rich in cod apparently, tonnes and tonnes of it.

Proximity wise it’s closer to Scotland, but also, according to the UN law of the sea if a rock is uninhabitable then it cannot be claimed.

As always with public service political things, it’s just another **** show that nobody has the ability to sort out! If only us that work in the private sector could get away with being so useless.

We agreed the EEZ with the UK and currently thanks to the Brexit agreement have the right to fish within the UK EEZ.
We don't have the right to fish within their territorial waters, which they claim this to be, but we (and Iceland and Denmark) reject.


If the UK truly believed this was British they would have been arguing that the EEZ boundary should have been drawn from there rather than from St. Kilda or wherever it was.

This isn't exactly arguing with a supplier over terms of a maintenance contract or whatever.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars

HalfAndHalf

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We agreed the EEZ with the UK and currently thanks to the Brexit agreement have the right to fish within the UK EEZ.
We don't have the right to fish within their territorial waters, which they claim this to be, but we (and Iceland and Denmark) reject.


If the UK truly believed this was British they would have been arguing that the EEZ boundary should have been drawn from there rather than from St. Kilda or wherever it was.

This isn't exactly arguing with a supplier over terms of a maintenance contract or whatever.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars

So on the basis that Rockall as per your diagram is within the U.K. zone, does that not mean that it falls under the 0-6 mile from land rules now, you’d have thought it would.

Obviously we, Iceland and Denmark dispute it if it’s as fish rich as it’s said to be.....

HalfAndHalf

HalfAndHalf wrote: »

So on the basis that Rockall as per your diagram is within the U.K. zone, does that not mean that it falls under the 12 mile from land rules now, you’d have thought it would.

Obviously we, Iceland and Denmark dispute it if it’s as fish rich as it’s said to be.....

Isn't that it is within the UK zone, but that it isn't allowed to have the 12 mile territorial claim what with it being a dot in the ocean.

Gatling

josip wrote: »

Although I doubt there would be any threat of action, the Jura does have an "armament" characteristic on its wiki class page,

None of the Scottish fisheries protection agency vessels are armed ,
HMS Jura doesn't exist anymore and the FPV Jura is new class of ship designed as fisheries protection rather than an armed naval vessel

HalfAndHalf

HalfAndHalf wrote: »

So on the basis that Rockall as per your diagram is within the U.K. zone, does that not mean that it falls under the 12 mile from land rules now, you’d have thought it would.

Obviously we, Iceland and Denmark dispute it if it’s as fish rich as it’s said to be.....

No not particularly.
If it was inhabitable and generating its own 12 mile zone, (and accepted as British), it probably would have also been the measuring point for the EEZ, pushing the UK EEZ hundreds of miles out to sea and pushing back the Ireland UK EEZ boundary back to the midpoint between Rockall and Donegal - taking a chunk of Irish EEZ and parts of the Icelandic and Faroese ones too probably.

The UK would argue that what is territory for an EEZ and for territorial waters have different definitions but that would be stretching definitions.

It was ignored when setting the EEZ boundary which suggests it isn't anything other than a rock.

Montage of Feck

We ruled the Scots once, we can do it again!!! :pac:

Montage of Feck

The way the Chinese are going they'll have a colony on the blasket islands if we're not careful. If you think Peg Sayers was awful in Irish just wait until you see the mandarin version.

Fr Tod Umptious

Silent Running wrote: »

Just wait until the independent Scots want to get back into the EU.

An awful lot of Irish people seem to want an independent Scotland.
There is a long running thread in Politics on this board about it.
Plenty of cheerleaders for the SNP and Indyref2.
Most however I feel are just supporting it for two simple reasons.
Firstly to stick it to the Brits (England and Tories actually) and secondly it puts the Ulster unionist in a bit of an odd spot.

Non however even consider that an independent Scotland would not be very good for Ireland.
We would instantly have an well resourced English speaking country on our doorstep, obvious competition for Ireland when it comes to the EU and FDI.

The longer the Scots are under the thumb of London the better for Ireland.
Fcuk them I say.