Mick Tator wrote: »
I and lots of others dismissed IrishCentral as a source. The nonsense purveyed by that site is patent rubbish from the outset. Asserting that Victoria was ‘the Famine Queen’, a name that the American nationalist community tried (unsuccessfully) to stick to her, is plain silly
Queen Victoria was greeted by rapturous crowds everywhere she went when she visited Ireland in the last days of the Famine (1849); Cork, Dublin, etc. all had firework displays, triumphal arches (one for e.g. on the canal to greet her entry into Dublin). It was not just the aristocracy, but the ordinary poor who turned out in their hundreds of thousands to greet and welcome her. Go explain that if you can (because the tiny nationalist community were unable to do so at the time and said her visit had been a huge setback to their ‘cause’. And reflect, while you are at it, the visit was a year after the Young Irelander ‘rising’. Who was shown more support?
Confused. What is your position? Do you believe the myth? Or the kernel of it? Or do you agree it is historically inaccurate (i.e.rubbish)? You also are being rather economical with the truth – what you said was
That statement is patently untrue. You misunderstand her role and powers, and you also dismiss her ‘Letters’.
Contradicting yourself again there. Public opinion in Ireland was also infused with ‘Malthusian beliefs’, laissez-faire economics and blamed the blight as a ‘visitation from God’. Not of course that it stopped the Irish merchants form shipping out foodstuffs. Go read the minute books of any of the Workhouses, or sermons by priests of various denominations, or the contemporary newspapers. Read for example ‘The Great Famine in Tralee and North Kerry’ by Bryan MacMahon. It would open your eyes on the role God played.
Nonsense. Have you any idea of the difference between what is agreed as aid and what is actually delivered? Do you know that the Yemini war has cost that country MORE THAN $100 BILLION? Are you aware of the bureaucracy, corruption, total absence of infrastructure, etc., etc., in Yemen? Or that an oil tanker, the ‘Safer’ (oh the irony!) has been rotting away off the coast and could – at any moment dump more than a million gallons of oil into the Red Sea?
The majority of people around the world have ceased to give a rats about Africa and places like Yemen. Supporting them with ‘aid’ is money down the drain, it lines the pockets of the rulers..
I see you are falling into the trap of the hoary old chestnut of the Ottoman nonsense. Go read about it in a history book, not some fairytale created for Yanks. The Ottoman regime was hardly a poster boy for democracy!
Dream on! I never contended that, nor have I asserted that the British government did a good job – clearly they did not.
Your comments show an ignorance of historical fact, of matters surrounding the Famine and an ignorance of the role of a constitutional monarch including the role (and power) of Victoria after her accession.
If you want to revive a post pages back from last month and pick a fight, at least go do some factual homework first.
Just to show how wrong you are on the topic and why I was so dismissive
The nonsense purveyed by that site is patent rubbish from the outset
Confused. What is your position? Do you believe the myth? Or the kernel of it? Or do you agree it is historically inaccurate (i.e.rubbish)? You also are being rather economical with the truth
Her failure to adequately mobilise the British government or philantropic organisations played a major role in the catastrophe of the Great Famine.
saabsaab wrote: »
See below the panzer I and II made up much of Hitler's tank forces but was inferior to the bulk of the French and British tanks (Matilda II was a good tank at the time with front armour that was immune to german tanks of the time). The Germans were better at using theirs.
Jeremy Beagle wrote: »
That Sean South, from Garryowen, died in the War of Independence. He died, like all good terrorists, after being shot in the arse during a botched IRA raid on an RUC barracks in Fermanagh in 1957.
Snickers Man wrote: »
Does anyone seriously think Sean South was shot in the War of Independence?
It's essential to his myth that he was killed in the Border Campaign of the 1950s.
breezy1985 wrote: »
Was never found innocent was released after the 3rd trial. I'm not saying he wasn't innocent but but song is a little misleading and the movie very much so
Snickers Man wrote: »
"They came on in the same old way, and we stopped them in the same old way"
A quote attributed to Rommel (or maybe one of his subordinates) after they had destroyed a British tank attack in the desert in 1942. Mainly with 88mm guns in antitank mode.
Source: The World at War and my memory
Del.Monte wrote: »
I thought this quote was attributed to the Duke of Wellington?
And here it is: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Arthur_Wellesley,_1st_Duke_of_Wellington
Snickers Man wrote:
Maybe it was a German quoting Wellington then.
Groan. OK I'll dig out my WAW box set and check it out.......
whisky_galore wrote: »
Gardai are unarmed to break with the tradition of and to contrast to the armed RIC which is repeated a lot on Boards.
No-one thought to look at the origin of this. The civic guard were initially armed, but disarmed by the government following a mutiny.
knucklehead6 wrote: »
I never heard of a mutiny in the gardai.
Would love to read more about it, can you find a source?
saabsaab wrote: »
Churchill was an excellent wartime leader or strategist.
He made several big mistakes both in WWI and WWII. His (aborted) plan to support Finland against Russia could have cost them the war.
Achebe wrote: »
I would imagine a lot of the people singing it at hurling matches do, for the simple reason that the Border Campaign isn't widely known.
tabbey wrote: »
During peaceful times, the RIC left their weapons locked in the barracks.
When the need arose, the DMP had access to weapons, but that was the exception.
These are subtle differences, but the perceived armed RIC and unarmed DMP is broadly correct.
An Garda siochana practice is basically that of the DMP but health and safety, policies etc mean that the Garda has a much more protocol based system for carrying weapons.
Much else was inherited from the DMP, such as the ranks: inspector, superintendent and chief superintendent, the R I C equivalents being: head constable, district inspector and county inspector.
saabsaab wrote: »
I had a relative in the DMP. He was killed in 1916.
tabbey wrote: »
He was not constable O'Brien I suppose, shot unarmed at the gate of Dublin castle?
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