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Stateofyou

Wibbs wrote: »

We're not living in parts of America or Canada. Ireland hasn't legalised weed. It's not regulated. It's produced and supplied in the majority of cases in this country by criminal organisations who also supply drugs that people see as being complicit in supporting a "savage industry". Therefore in Ireland Gruffalux's point still stands.

I didn't know we're not living in parts of American or Canada Thanks Wibbs :pac:
That's literally why I mentioned that in parts of the world... where is the reading comprehension gone today :-s

Also I think you will find that many people grow their own here actually. And some others who have an "operation" are only referred to as "criminal organisations" because it's not legalised here but they're not causing anyone any harm in reality because that's all their doing.
Have you got some link that shows the majority of cannabis farms here are also participating in the "savage industry" of wider drugs?

seamus

Gruffalux wrote: »

But rape videos of anyone and especially minors are not the burglary equivalent in the murder to burglary hierarchy. They are much worse than burglary. In my opinion.

This is not a conversation people like having, but even rape exists on a spectrum of "badness". Some forms of rape do more long-term damage to the victim and tell us that the perpetrator is more dangerous, than other types of rape.

The danger here is in painting porn sites as the bad guy and patting ourselves on the back, when there are much much darker and more extreme platforms going effectively unchecked.

Wibbs

Stateofyou wrote: »

I didn't know we're not living in parts of American or Canada Thanks Wibbs :pac:
That's literally why I mentioned that in parts of the world... where is the reading comprehension gone today :-s

Indeed. Writing comprehension may be in the mix too.

Stateofyou wrote: »

I've never heard it said about weed. Especially seeing how it's a plant easily grown by anyone for themselves for one, and for two some countries around the world have legalised it so it's manufacturing and use is regulated. So to say you're complicit in a savage industry because you smoke weed is fairly laughable...

In Ireland where we are if you smoke weed you are far more likely to be supporting the criminal organisations so are "complicit", if that's how people view that.

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Drugs and porn and Oil, chocolate, coffee, shiny diamonds, the raw materials that make up your new shiny phone and etc etc.
A lot of industries built on the pain and suffering of other people.
But yeah people who take drugs and watch porn those are the real bad guys in the world lets lock all them up first.

There's an argument there alright. Cotton another well dodgy industry in both labour and environmental terms. Human nature being what it is the squeaky wheel gets the grease and the wheel seen more as immoral or wrong gets it even more. Kids in wherever making your phone or tee shirts buggering up the environment not nearly so much.

Porn is right in the crosshairs for this. An odd mix of modern feminism which can have all sorts of confusing(as usual) attitudes to it, either vile patriarchal exploitation by the "male gaze", or that other fave "empowering" depending on the viewer and producer and the other angle of a pre sexual revolution prissiness towards sex.

Personally I see porn as having many many negatives depending on the subculture within it. There's a pretty clear case for exploitation of performers in "pro" and "semi pro" stuff. Not just the women either, who with few exceptions are a new thing for an instant and a fresh arse is wheeled in in due course. I read last year I think of some pretty big US based outfit that were videoing women and telling them it was for overseas "private" consumption(you'd want to be pretty dumb to believe that, but if you're broke...), even pressuring them when they arrived for what they thought wasn't a hardcore setup. It's not exactly the healthiest mentally and emotionally for many male actors either. People who get their rocks off doing the jiggy for others with full consent involved I've no real issue with. On that side of the camera anyway. On the other hand the consumers with an arm like popeye...

It'll almost certainly always be with us in some form or another mind you. Sexual imagery is in humanity going back to the caves. We were getting our jollies through imagery forever, it's just more concentrated and ubiquitous now. Though like all changes we'll adapt and of course some won't.

Wibbs

seamus wrote: »

This is not a conversation people like having, but even rape exists on a spectrum of "badness". Some forms of rape do more long-term damage to the victim and tell us that the perpetrator is more dangerous, than other types of rape.

The danger here is in painting porn sites as the bad guy and patting ourselves on the back, when there are much much darker and more extreme platforms going effectively unchecked.

+1000. It does smell of "low hanging fruit" in many ways and being seen to be doing the right thing and cleaning up an industry. Goes over well in the cheap seats. As RobbieTheRobber noted earlier there are plenty of arguments around a "lot of industries built on the pain and suffering of other people", but we largely ignore them, because that raises harder questions to answer. If this hadn't gone public and raised eyebrows you can be sure the credit card companies that have supported pornhub for years and made it into a multimillion quid concern would still be supporting them. I'm quite sure they're still supporting the other such porn portals.

How does someone make 100s of millions on a free website?

KiKi III

OnlyFans is a much more ethical way to watch porn. Far more likely to be watching consensual adults, and the creators get paid directly.

eddiervp20

Stateofyou wrote: »

I didn't know we're not living in parts of American or Canada Thanks Wibbs :pac:
That's literally why I mentioned that in parts of the world... where is the reading comprehension gone today :-s

Also I think you will find that many people grow their own here actually. And some others who have an "operation" are only referred to as "criminal organisations" because it's not legalised here but they're not causing anyone any harm in reality because that's all their doing.
Have you got some link that shows the majority of cannabis farms here are also participating in the "savage industry" of wider drugs?

Weed smoker?

seamus

Deleted User wrote: »

How does someone make 100s of millions on a free website?

Ask Google

The answer is ads. Advertisers pay pornhub to run ads on the platform.

I think content creators also get a cut (like how youtube works), but they can also drive people to their own sites to get access to private content.

biggebruv

As always with these things when one falls another rises

I’d largely bet the amateur content is what people mostly looked at if that’s all gone people will just go elsewhere

But if that sort of stuff is rampant on pornhub then it was the right call however it will just pop up somewhere else

Dravokivich

Deleted User wrote: »

How does someone make 100s of millions on a free website?

They have partnerships with content providers, that sell videos and subscriptions.

KiKi III wrote: »

OnlyFans is a much more ethical way to watch porn. Far more likely to be watching consensual adults, and the creators get paid directly.

Not really. I don't think it's even originally meant to be a porn platform. It's just another Patreon type of thing, that became a Pay Per View Instagram.

silverharp

silverharp wrote: »

imagine being the guy that had to review them all to see if they could stay or have to go

I used to work with the person who had that job.

About every twenty minutes she'd erupt into a fit of giggles.

GarIT

KiKi III wrote: »

OnlyFans is a much more ethical way to watch porn. Far more likely to be watching consensual adults, and the creators get paid directly.

They usually want money. You can subscribe and then the person stops producing content. You don't get as good a selection of content.

Gruffalux

seamus wrote: »

This is not a conversation people like having, but even rape exists on a spectrum of "badness". Some forms of rape do more long-term damage to the victim and tell us that the perpetrator is more dangerous, than other types of rape.

The danger here is in painting porn sites as the bad guy and patting ourselves on the back, when there are much much darker and more extreme platforms going effectively unchecked.

There are darker platforms that go unchecked. True.
But Pornhub is huge. A mega platform with the same kind of cultural pervasiveness and, really, acceptability, as any of the big global corporations now. And it was hosting a lot of rape videos. This is a fact.

I think that sexual assault is along a scale and was early out of the traps to signal my personal frustration with a MeToo movement which effectively seemed to make some kind of equivalence between a slap on the arse and a brutal rape.. And I am not actually onboard with the idea of a pervasive rape culture existing. And so on.
But the essence of rape is unwanted penetration and I am not sure I can understand what you mean by a scale in this case. It is all bad, from plain ordinary bad to incomprehensibly bad.
Which kind of actual rape videos on Pornhub or elsewhere would you think fit into a not so bad on the scale type? Because a scale suggests there are rape videos that are not so bad. Maybe I am misunderstanding.

GarIT

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How does someone make 100s of millions on a free website?

Exact same was as RTE or Facebook. Ads and selling data.

km991148

Gruffalux wrote: »

Well you know what I mean. A little exaggeration is a dramatic fault of mine. And I have actually met people who sincerely think weed users are the dregs of the earth and complicit in violent crime.

Of course weed is also involved in violent crime.
People just don't want to hear that.

Sir Oxman

Gruffalux wrote: »

I agree with the first bits. Generally.
The last paragraph - I have not heard Facebook and other social media are FAR worse proliferators of child porn, that is terrible. It has to be stopped.
But Pornhub was knowingly monetising it. Its unbelievable what people will watch. One hears of village shops in India selling gang rape videos from under the counter. To me Pornhub has been doing the same from a glossier- looking village shop.

Twitter is one of the biggest sources of porn on t'internet.
And MAPs.

Gruffalux

Must be some subscription aspect though if credit card companies withdrawing services were the cause of the clean up.

GarIT

Gruffalux wrote: »

Must be some subscription aspect though if credit card companies withdrawing services were the cause of the clean up.

Nah, substriptions are less than 1% of turnover for them.

Dravokivich

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Twitter is one of the biggest sources of porn on t'internet.
And MAPs.

It's going to be worse now with Periscope transitioning to Twitter over the next 4 months.

biggebruv

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Twitter is one of the biggest sources of porn on t'internet.
And MAPs.

This is true and very f—-ed up I looked at a trending topic once - Phoenix park

Started off nice some nature , animals ,birds etc then on my 13 inch tablet a picture of a women bending over her car with her arse out asking to be banged right here and now SHOCKING LOL

GarIT

GarIT wrote: »

Nah, substriptions are less than 1% of turnover for them.

Really? Less than 1% of views I would believe but if their subs are so worthless it doesn't make much sense for how much of a typical page they use to push a sub.

Kaybaykwah

biggebruv wrote: »

This is true and very f—-ed up I looked at a trending topic once - Phoenix park

Started off nice some nature , animals ,birds etc then on my 13 inch tablet a picture of a women bendin5g over her car with her arse out asking to be banged right here and now SHOCKING LOL

What started in Twitter, finished on Twatter.

Car99

biggebruv wrote: »

This is true and very f—-ed up I looked at a trending topic once - Phoenix park

Started off nice some nature , animals ,birds etc then on my 13 inch tablet a picture of a women bending over her car with her arse out asking to be banged right here and now SHOCKING LOL

Phoenix park will be trending again on twitter in a few hours

Goodshape

I'd tend to agree more (not totally without reservation) with PornHub on this one.

Their system is not perfect but none of the networks which rely on user-content are. As others have said, pick any random hashtag on Twitter and good god you're liable to see some disgusting stuff in the search results.

Whether someone may like it or not, porn and the business of porn (PornHub's business) is not illegal. If it doesn't align with your moral values, that's entirely on you. But their business is no less valid or legal than Twitter or Facebook or Amazon Prime. So they're entitled to feel they are being unreasonably targeted.


Anecdotally, I use PornHub and I've never stumbled across (and indeed never searched for) anything which appeared illegal (underage / rape / etc) or even anything too hardcore or boundary-pushing. In a Reddit thread talking about this 80% loss of content, a few alternative sites were linked to and they were unquestionably shockingly worse. Like pictures of prolapsed assholes and unconscious people right on the homepage.

Stateofyou

eddiervp20 wrote: »

Weed smoker?

Why?

Kermit.de.frog

Goodshape wrote: »

Anecdotally, I use PornHub and I've never stumbled across (and indeed never searched for) anything which appeared illegal (underage / rape / etc) or even anything too hardcore or boundary-pushing.

Were you the lad that rang liveline back in April? Gold :pac:

https://twitter.com/JustineStafford/status/1255857606058483718

Gatling

KiKi III wrote: »

OnlyFans is a much more ethical way to watch porn. Far more likely to be watching consensual adults, and the creators get paid directly.

Just as many kids trying to be porn stars too .

GarIT

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Really? Less than 1% of views I would believe but if their subs are so worthless it doesn't make much sense for how much of a typical page they use to push a sub.

I've seen it quoted on Reddit a few times. Haven't seen anything to back it up.

km991148

biggebruv wrote: »

This is true and very f—-ed up I looked at a trending topic once - Phoenix park

Started off nice some nature , animals ,birds etc then on my 13 inch tablet a picture of a women bending over her car with her arse out asking to be banged right here and now SHOCKING LOL

You wouldn't happen to have the link? Asking for a friend.

Gruffalux

Gatling wrote: »

Just as many kids trying to be porn stars too .

Tis true but this prospect was always going to happen since the invention of the reasonably portable camera. It is not a career I would applaud in modern times for lots of reasons, but I can understand the allure.



But what was on Pornhub and seems like from this thread what is on lots of other places I have thankfully never heard of, was actual real life rape videos.

Seems a pity that what could have been an artistic and sensual endeavour, that obviously is needed by or at least highly popular with humans, had to degenerate into regular people getting their sexual kicks watching what basically amounts to torture.