Woman “discriminated” barbers

Grab All Association

https://twitter.com/tippfm/status/1339167073587654656?s=21

There’s that word again. Despite the barber giving a plausible explanation, it’s clearly discrimination.

Bikerman2019

Just as stupid as the helpdesk thread about the term "being a dick" is sexist.

Quite rightly a snowflake got melted

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058141145

WrenBoy

barber
/ˈbɑːbə/

noun
a person who cuts men's hair and shaves or trims beards as an occupation.
"he had his hair cut at the local barber's"
verb
cut or trim (a man's hair).
"his hair was neatly barbered"

Smee_Again

The excuse doesn't sound too plausible.

skooterblue2

ITs not discrimination. She was looking for a payout. Hairdresser in my experience cannot cut a mans hair properly. Go to the barber and get the job done properly.

She is the type of person to ask for fish and chip in a library

grayzer75

She'll be yapping about Durex next because the condoms don't fit her non existent mickey ffs.

racso1975

Smee_Again wrote: »

The excuse doesn't sound too plausible.

Oh yeah cause an insurance company would never put in stupid clauses

KH25

Is the insurance thing a real thing? Surely they can cut anyone’s hair who wants it?

Mrs OBumble

skooterblue2 wrote: »

ITs not discrimination. She was looking for a payout. Hairdresser in my experience cannot cut a mans hair properly. Go to the barber and get the job done properly.

How is male hair different to female hair?

The insurance thing is real. There was a case brought before The Equality Tribunal a few years ago.

grayzer75

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

How is male hair different to female hair?

It's more manly.....

sydthebeat

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

How is male hair different to female hair?

Men don't sue if they fcuk it up??

The J Stands for Jay

I remember reading a feature in the indo 10-15 years ago where a woman went to a barber instead of a hairdresser. She found it much better because there was less bull**** around the process, and no need for appointments. So it can be done. The only thing is, an individual barber may not be confident in their ability to give a woman a haircut she'd be happy with.

murpho999

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

How is male hair different to female hair?

There's no difference but a barber's skills are very different to a hairdresser.

I still don't get why the barber refused her as I don't believe the insurance issue.

I also don't understand why she wanted her haircut there as there's not exactly a shortage of hairdressers out there unless she really wanted a fade and a beard trim.

murpho999

murpho999 wrote: »

There's no difference but a barber's skills are very different to a hairdresser.

I still don't get why the barber refused her as I don't believe the insurance issue.

I also don't understand why she wanted her haircut there as there's not exactly a shortage of hairdressers out there unless she really wanted a fade and a beard trim.

Well, you should.

Gregor Samsa

Deleted User wrote: »

The insurance thing is real. There was a case brought before The Equality Tribunal a few years ago.

here it is:

https://www.thejournal.ie/barber-women-woman-discriminate-hair-equality-2106015-May2015/

IT HAS BEEN ruled that a barber shop that refused a woman a haircut did not discriminate.

The Equality Tribunal has ruled that the woman concerned was not discriminated against on grounds of gender under the Equal Status Acts.

[...]

Rather, they stated that the business is operated as a barber shop where the staff are qualified in the cutting of men’s hair.

It is also specified that the insurance the business operates under is specifically for the cutting of men’s hair.

Case closed.

RandRuns

She is either looking for an easy payout (like the people who stage minor car accidents and then sue for whiplash), or, worse, she's one of the growing number of sociopaths who are obsessed with finding things to get offended about, and are happy to ruin businesses and cause people to lose their jobs in order to make some abstruse point that only makes sense to them and other like them.

These people are becoming a real problem, and it is only going to get worse.

Smee_Again

Smee_Again wrote: »

The excuse doesn't sound too plausible.

I was wrong.

https://www.thejournal.ie/barber-women-woman-discriminate-hair-equality-2106015-May2015/

Gregor Samsa

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

here it is:

That's the one. I remember asking me own barber about it at the time.

johnnyryan89

McGaggs wrote: »

I remember reading a feature in the indo 10-15 years ago where a woman went to a barber instead of a hairdresser. She found it much better because there was less bull**** around the process, and no need for appointments. So it can be done. The only thing is, an individual barber may not be confident in their ability to give a woman a haircut she'd be happy with.

Barbers I go to cut women's hair, but don't think all the barbers working there cut women's hair. Think three of the five do.

Mrs OBumble

murpho999 wrote: »

I also don't understand why she wanted her haircut there as there's not exactly a shortage of hairdressers out there unless she really wanted a fade and a beard trim.

Quite likely because €15 is a lot less than €45.

Sonics2k

Happens from time to time, some barbers don't have the insurance for womens hair, and some do.

My barber maintained it for a few years, but as the amount of women coming in for haircuts from him was quite low he just stopped getting the insurance for it.

Tom1991

Liability is all about whats in the policy document and I work for an insurers IT Dept.So if your policy document specifically references only cut hair of men your **** out of luck if a claim comes in from a woman upset a product you used did x or y damage.

Gmak2442

I insist that the Society should be not sexist but such store could exist although. We, male, can have stuff for male only.

D3V!L

My old barber used to cut womens hair. Women with very short hair or buzz cuts. There's no reason to go to a hair dresser for that and to get robbed.

grayzer75

There must be a 'Karen Clause' in the insurance preventing the barber cutting a females hair........

jammiedodgers

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

How is male hair different to female hair?

It doesn't take 2 hours to cut a male's hair.

seamus

This issue came up before the barber got stung because they didn't understand the law.

It's pretty common in some places that a barber or hairdresser will agree in their lease to not cut men's or women's hair.

This lets the landlord bring in both types of business without one competing with the other.

It is, however, illegal to refuse to provide a service to someone on the basis of gender. If a woman walks into a barber asking for a straightforward cut that any man would get, the barber cannot legally refuse. Same for men going into a "women's" hairdresser.

What they can do is refuse to provide services which they're not qualified to do. So highlights (or even dye), or whatever. But if they can provide the service, they cannot say, "No, we don't serve women (or men) here".

And rightly so.

The win in the Liffey Valley case seems to be more down to the fact that the woman was looking for a cut that the barber's did not feel confident doing; that wouldn't be typical of a barber's. They didn't win it on the insurance issue.

skooterblue2

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

How is male hair different to female hair?

Male hair is just different. Female hair tends to be finer. It is usually longer. Its a different material. Its like comparing diesel with petrol engines. Then you have more anomalies. Calfs licks, baldness patterns etc. Its not as straight forward as run of a razor.

Foweva Awone

I'm female, I have an undercut. I often get it done in the barbers... My hairdresser can do it (e.g. if I'm getting a cut and colour, I'll ask them to shave the undercut too if it needs to be done) but I find barbers do a waaaaay neater job. Also I often like to get cool designs shaved into it, and I don't know of any hairdressers able to do that.

I've never been turned away from a barbers, but if I was, I'd just happily go away and take my money to someone who's happy to do it. Life's to short to go making a fuss and crying discrimination over something so minor, in my opinion.

partyguinness

Elderly ladies get pissed off that they are still paying €40 at the 'hairdresser' for their short back and sides but men can get it done for €10 down the street.

Bikerman2019

Foweva Awone wrote: »

I'm female, I have an undercut. I often get it done in the barbers... My hairdresser can do it (e.g. if I'm getting a cut and colour, I'll ask them to shave the undercut too if it needs to be done) but I find barbers do a waaaaay neater job. Also I often like to get cool designs shaved into it, and I don't know of any hairdressers able to do that.

I've never been turned away from a barbers, but if I was, I'd just happily go away and take my money to someone who's happy to do it. Life's to short to go making a fuss and crying discrimination over something so minor, in my opinion.

That sounds very reasonable of you. Would you be happy if a barber declined as they were not confident of doing a good job. I imagine they would be excellent at straight forward number 1, trim, whatever, but anything more complicated like a womans hair maybe, may throw them.

Unfortunately, with the times that are in it, I expect to see more and more of this rubbish being thrown around.

TheBoyConor

Sonics2k wrote: »

Happens from time to time, some barbers don't have the insurance for womens hair, and some do.

My barber maintained it for a few years, but as the amount of women coming in for haircuts from him was quite low he just stopped getting the insurance for it.

If I was a barber i would be far more worried about the risk of accusations of impropriety than the insurance side of it. Especially if it was just one barber and herself being the one customer. Since the barber has to make physical contact with the woman, the chances of an accusation are quite high.

TheValeyard

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Case closed.

Why didn't you put this in!!! Perfect for it!

Foweva Awone

Bikerman2019 wrote: »

That sounds very reasonable of you. Would you be happy if a barber declined as they were not confident of doing a good job. I imagine they would be excellent at straight forward number 1, trim, whatever, but anything more complicated like a womans hair maybe, may throw them.

Nah I definitely wouldn't ask them to touch the rest of my hair. I work in a professional job and leave my hair down all the time in work to cover the undercut, it's important that it has a nice shape to it, and that's what my hairdresser is for.

I don't blame barbers for turning women away just because they're too stingey to pay hairdresser prices.

If I'm getting a design done in the barbers (as opposed to just a shave), I'll usually pay €15 plus a €5 tip, but that's in addition to what I pay my hairdresser, not instead of. So I'm certainly not saving any money ... I'm just going to the hairdressers for what they do best, and to the barber for what they do best.

Sardonicat

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

How is male hair different to female hair?

It's more manly.

skooterblue2

Sardonicat wrote: »

It's more manly.

And it reeks of Testosterone, Oak, Bourbon, diesel oil and hard work and sweat. Manly like!

Bikerman2019

Sardonicat wrote: »

It's more manly.

Also tends to be a lot less of it ( I speak from experience )

skooterblue2

Bikerman2019 wrote: »

Also tends to be a lot less of it ( I speak from experience )

That will be the Testosterone a talkin'

IBrows89

I'm a male with hair longer than shoulder length, I rang 4 hairdressers in my area and none of them would cut it. I explained to them that they would be more used to cutting long hair than a barber and they said probably so but didn't matter.

I should've sued all of them, could of made a fortune!

Church on Tuesday

Why would she even want to go to a barbers?

A barber is not a hair stylist, it's a completely different environment and service.

skooterblue2

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Why would she even want to go to a barbers?

A barber is not a hair stylist, it's a completely different environment and service.

"I want to make a claim, Wahhhhhhhhhh!"

Real Life

My brother is a barber, he will cut some women's hair, depends on what they want done. He's not trained in women's hair which generally speaking would be longer hairstyles but if its something he's comfortable with he will do it.

Many barbers will not cut women's hair and there's even some that don't allow women inside to wait on their partner or whoever, probably the most famous Barbershop in the world is Schorem in Rotterdam, Netherlands and they don't allow women inside or certainly not until recently anyway. Which at times has popped up and caused controversy but they don't seem to care.

Your Face

I want to see a photo of this woman.


I have a suspicion as to what she may look like.

RandRuns

Your Face wrote: »

I want to see a photo of this woman.


I have a suspicion as to what she may look like.

Bikerman2019

https://nypost.com/2020/10/27/transgender-woman-sues-after-being-refused-by-beauty-pageant/

Jessica Yaniv?

growleaves

RandRuns wrote: »

She is either looking for an easy payout (like the people who stage minor car accidents and then sue for whiplash), or, worse, she's one of the growing number of sociopaths who are obsessed with finding things to get offended about, and are happy to ruin businesses and cause people to lose their jobs in order to make some abstruse point that only makes sense to them and other like them.

These people are becoming a real problem, and it is only going to get worse.

We are careening (Karen-ing?) down an abyss of of snowflake offence-taking.

skooterblue2

IBrows89 wrote: »

I should've sued all of them, could of made a fortune!

This is what is killing small industry and sole traders. Its being taught in university and across the board. prefered pronouns, gender identity all rubbish

stoneill

Your Face wrote: »

I want to see a photo of this woman.


I have a suspicion as to what she may look like.

Arleen Foster