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Lice on cattle - Cubicle Lime (Hydrated Lime)

  • 11-12-2020 5:54pm
    Registered Users Posts: 10,305 ✭✭✭✭

    Does anyone use hydrated lime (hydrated lime) to kill lice and mange on cattle?
    I tried it about 2 weeks ago here. Not sure if it is working yet, but it seems to work some bit.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,305 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe

  • Registered Users Posts: 18,290 ✭✭✭✭_Brian

    Could be a case that it displaces them with an unfavourable environment rather than it being toxic to them.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭Cavanjack

    Heard of it alright and even saw cattle come into a mart with it on them once. An awful mess.
    Bought a pour on the other day that we usually use 10ml on their backs when they are eating. Costs about 85cent each. I’d prefer that than lime

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,787 ✭✭✭alps

    Seems very cruel....has to agitate the animal..

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,827 ✭✭✭✭Base price

    It should only be used on cattle that are kept indoor.

    Oh has used on feeding bulls over the years when we used to use the slatted shed and they didn't appear to suffer any ill effects other than initially coughing if they inhaled the dust when you were applying it.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,439 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper

    If you want to avoid a pour on, clip a strip along the backs, and ideally, put in a scratching brush.
    You can apply diatomaceous earth, it's available in a product called Desi- dust, there's an ad on Done Deal. It's an extremely fine silcate which acts as a sharp edged dessicant and is regularly used to keep lice off poultry.

  • Registered Users Posts: 836 ✭✭✭grange mac

    Hi Patsy,

    Was the lime you used the regular white rhyno white lime or did you use a 10% hydrated lime?

    Have a lice issue and pouron just not cutting it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,305 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe

    It was "Cubicle Lime" from Dairygold. Label doesn't say what kind of lime it is exactly.

    This year I used Ectpspec pouron on the cows. €40 is enough for 50 treatments. I used Dectomax pouron on the younger cattle (under 2 years). It's a wormer but covers for lice too.

    Ectospec Pour-on (Cypermethrin) 500ml |

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭White Clover

    Check what the dectomex covers, patsy. There are 2 types of lice, sucking and biting. I'm pretty sure the dectomex will only treat one type.

  • Registered Users Posts: 969 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135

    Holly with berries, I know its an old wives tale, but for some reason we have no problem with lice of ringworm in the last few years since hanging it above each pen. Before that we used always pour some sheep dip over their backs in the crush, always worked not sure was it best practice though, and rough tack to be inhaling without a mask.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭tanko

    Anyone using lime on cattle would want to be very careful not to get it in the cattles eyes or their own for that matter, it won’t end well.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,305 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe

    Spec sheet here for Dectomax. It says it covers both sucking and biting lice. (Not that I knew the difference before today.)

    Licence_VPA10387-020-001_29012018153350.pdf (

  • Registered Users Posts: 17,437 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves

    I think the pour on ivermectin's cover both the injection only covers one AFAIK

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭White Clover

    Didn't see this earlier, there are different active ingredients in lice treatments. Maybe you need to switch the active ingredient. Also I presume you know that all cattle in the shed must be done.

  • Registered Users Posts: 836 ✭✭✭grange mac

    Well all cattle dosed with albex, spot-on and where their was notable bare patches small bit lime to help....

    Hopefully will see improvement in cattle over next few weeks.

  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,924 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides

    Some advice from AHI:

    Lice and Mites at Housing

    Dr Natascha Meunier, Beef Health Check Programme Manager

    The housing period is usually a time when problems with lice and mites come to the surface. Winter

    creates a great environment for external parasites to thrive. The animals are kept indoors, in close

    contact with one another, so the lice and mites can spread easily between animals. Warm, humid

    The housing period is usually a time when problems with lice and mites come to the surface. Winter

    creates a great environment for external parasites to thrive. The animals are kept indoors, in close

    contact with one another, so the lice and mites can spread easily between animals. Warm, humid

    environments, and the long hair coats on the animals protects the lice. In the spring when the animals are back

    on pasture, exposure to the sun and less close contact means that the parasites become less of a problem.

    Signs of infestation

    Signs of lice and mite infections can be very similar and include hair loss, itching and scratching against posts.

    Severe scratching can cause wounds and secondary infections. Animals can be very itchy and irritated to the

    point that it affects their behaviour and general welfare. Animals can lose weight or gain weight more slowly

    than expected and may miss their growth targets. Essentially, lice and mites can cost money in performance

    losses and are worth treating if there is a problem on farm.

    If parasites increase in number, we can see problems in the whole group or on specific animals that may have

    a lower general immunity. Large infestations in certain animals might be a sign that they have some underlying

    condition that is worth investigating. Often you won’t see any clinical signs with an infestation, so be aware that

    you can buy in healthy looking animals and bring parasites onto the farm for the first time in this way.

    Lice come in two main groups – biting lice and sucking lice. The biting lice are also known as chewing lice and

    they live on the surface of the skin and feed on outer dead layers of skin and hair follicles. Sucking lice, as their

    name suggests, pierce the skin to access and feed on blood. If there are a large number of sucking lice on an

    animal, the animal can actually become anaemic from blood loss, but that is only seen in severe cases. Usually,

    hair loss and scratching are the most common signs for both of these types of lice. Mites burrow into the skin

    and can cause extreme irritation and itching depending on the species.

    Treatments available

    To treat against external parasites, there are two main groups of active ingredients in the available products –

    these are the synthetic pyrethroids and the clear drenches (macrocyclic lactones). In addition to lice and mites,

    the synthetic pyrethroids also have action against flies and the clear drenches are also used widely for worm


    What if the treatment does not seem to be working?

    There could be a few reasons for this: Animals might need a second treatment if there are many eggs present,

    as the medicines generally do not affect the eggs. These can hatch, mature and start the cycle again within 3-4

    weeks. If there is a very heavy infection, more than one treatment might also be needed.

    Lice and mites usually need direct contact between animals to spread – they complete their life cycle on the

    host animal. It is important to treat all animals in a group. If you only treat those animals that are showing

    clinical signs the treatment will work, but they can be re-infected again as soon as the product wears off and

    they come into contact with the untreated animals in the group.

    Another reason that the treatment may not be working as expected is that you might be using the wrong type

    of product for the parasite in question. Injectable products do not usually work well against biting lice as they

    are on the surface of the skin and the active ingredients don’t reach them. Two treatments are usually needed

    against mites depending on the products used. While you can see lice if you part the hair, the only way to really

    know which parasite you are dealing with is for your vet to take a skin scraping around the areas of hair loss,

    look under the microscope and identify which parasite is causing the problem. Your vet can then discuss which

    treatment is best.

    What is the best way to use pour-on product?

    Before starting, make sure that you know the withdrawal period of the medicine, especially for finishing

    animals. Always read the label on how to use the product correctly, as there are differences between brands.

    Make sure the dose is correct for the weight of the animal in front of you; under-dosing will mean the product

    is less effective.

    Check if you are using a spot-on or pour-on product, remember that they can look similar but are designed to

    be used differently. Spot-ons require a large concentration of the drug in one or more spots, usually between

    the shoulders, from where it spreads to get adequate coverage over the animal.

    Pour-ons are designed to be poured along the top of the spine and try to spread the product evenly along

    the whole back. The product usually needs to reach the skin to work, so make sure the animal is clean. If the

    animals are not being kept in housing, be aware that rain can wash some of the product off, making it less

    effective. If the hair is particularly long, clipping along the top of the back can make this process more effective.

    Always wear gloves when handling these products for your own safety, and make sure you dispose of the empty

    bottles or leftover product correctly, away from water courses as many of these medicines are extremely toxic

    to fish.

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