A kind gesture from your club

super saints

Due to so much golf being missed because of the two lockdowns has your club made any kind of a gesture towards the members.
Either a nominal reduction on your subscription, a voucher for the pro shop, a meal voucher in the clubhouse, etc. ???

Will certainly continue to be a member of my club, I just feel it would be just a nice thing to do!!

newport2

super saints wrote: »

Due to so much golf being missed because of the two lockdowns has your club made any kind of a gesture towards the members.
Either a nominal reduction on your subscription, a voucher for the pro shop, a meal voucher in the clubhouse, etc. ???

Will certainly continue to be a member of my club, I just feel it would be just a nice thing to do!!

€125 discount off next years subs + 4 green fee vouchers. Not much, but I think it was good they at least gave something.

Seve OB

no

ronnie3585

Nada. Sub's going up next year to try to off-set the losses we've had from having virtually no green fees all year.

Ollieboy

Subs not going up, fair play to them.

I think you should define the question better, I wouldn’t expect members club to do anything because that’s silly because they own the club unless they are wealthy club.

Golfgraffix

Our club have been really good, especialy considering the hit they have taken as a resort course.

• 20% reduction on next year's membership, once its paid by end of this year, if not its a 10% reduction.
  
• 4 Ball Voucher for Next Year
  
• 4 Rounds of Golf at Mount Juliet (recripocal deal)

dan_ep82

Nothing mentioned so far, just a hint that we actually had a good year in an email that will be expanded on at the AGM

super saints

Golfgraffix wrote: »

Our club have been really good, especialy considering the hit they have taken as a resort course.

• 20% reduction on next year's membership, once its paid by end of this year, if not its a 10% reduction.
  
• 4 Ball Voucher for Next Year
  
• 4 Rounds of Golf at Mount Juliet (recripocal deal)

That’s some ‘gesture’, would never imagine or expect any club to do all that....well done!!!!

Got an email from my club this week regarding the AGM being online and any members questions to be emailed to the executive, contemplating asking if there were any plans to show some goodwill to their loyal members!?!

Mantis Toboggan

Golfgraffix wrote: »

Our club have been really good, especialy considering the hit they have taken as a resort course.

• 20% reduction on next year's membership, once its paid by end of this year, if not its a 10% reduction.
  
• 4 Ball Voucher for Next Year
  
• 4 Rounds of Golf at Mount Juliet (recripocal deal)

That's a great gesture and way to reward loyal customers.

Usually the best deals are always for new customers.

KevH1984

Our club aren't giving us anything back either. However because of Covid and the influx of new members this year the club have managed to reach a settlement on our outstanding debt which was with a vulture fund for the past 4 years. Due to the generosity of some of our members we have now settled that debt and the club is now debt free and back in members hands for the first time in 10 years. I think that's better than anything the club could give us back as a gesture.

Ollieboy

KevH1984 wrote: »

Our club aren't giving us anything back either. However because of Covid and the influx of new members this year the club have managed to reach a settlement on our outstanding debt which was with a vulture fund for the past 4 years. Due to the generosity of some of our members we have now settled that debt and the club is now debt free and back in members hands for the first time in 10 years. I think that's better than anything the club could give us back as a gesture.

That’s an amazing achievement by your committee and fair play to the members for supporting the club.

KevH1984

Ollieboy wrote: »

That’s an amazing achievement by your committee and fair play to the members for supporting the club.

Ye given the climate and lockdowns we really weren't sure what would happen. But it's an unbelievable result for us and shows how important a members club can be. We've all seen clubs go to the wall over similar problems down the years and we were determined that wouldn't happen. We're only a modest sized club too and an important outlet for the area. There will be big celebrations when we can get back to a bit of normality.

rickis tache

Nope. Said they were reducing fees from 990 to 790 if paid before end of January. No mention of what price will be after January 31st.
Part of package in previous years for 990 was 4 green fees and restaurant credit for 40 euro and 20 euro driving range.
There will be no bar and range credit in 2021 and the green fees are now being sold at a rate of 4 for 100 euro.
Not a great package so will be moving on.

downthemiddle

rickis tache wrote: »

Nope. Said they were reducing fees from 990 to 790 if paid before end of January. No mention of what price will be after January 31st.
Part of package in previous years for 990 was 4 green fees and restaurant credit for 40 euro and 20 euro driving range.
There will be no bar and range credit in 2021 and the green fees are now being sold at a rate of 4 for 100 euro.
Not a great package so will be moving on.

How can you say a 20% reduction in the overall fee is not a great package?

getoffthepot

No

rickis tache

downthemiddle wrote: »

How can you say a 20% reduction in the overall fee is not a great package?

The usual package for the last 5 years I am a member was 990 with 40 euro bar/restaurant credit and 20 euro driving range credit and either 4 or 8 green green fee vouchers depending on if you paid in January or later.
790 but not getting any credit for bar and range or green fees vouchers.
Owners made it out as a gesture this was a great deal......then try and sell the green fee vouchers at "50% savings of 4 for 100 euro" which must be purchased at time of paying subs, when we were getting them for free before.
Sorry if I didn't make it clear in original post

Seve OB

rickis tache wrote: »

The usual package for the last 5 years I am a member was 990 with 40 euro bar/restaurant credit and 20 euro driving range credit and either 4 or 8 green green fee vouchers depending on if you paid in January or later.
790 but not getting any credit for bar and range or green fees vouchers.
Owners made it out as a gesture this was a great deal......then try and sell the green fee vouchers at "50% savings of 4 for 100 euro" which must be purchased at time of paying subs, when we were getting them for free before.
Sorry if I didn't make it clear in original post

it still cheaper
why would you want the green fees anyway? its your own course and is only something you are going to give away anyway

rickis tache

Seve OB wrote: »

it still cheaper
why would you want the green fees anyway? its your own course and is only something you are going to give away anyway

The vouchers were great to bring friends to play. They want to charge them/me to bring them now. Reduced income for clubhouse as out of 500 members who would bring guests to play and dine after would of been s nice extra cash. I understand they want to make cash now but don't disguise it as an gesture to us members when all they are doing is pulling back the curtain to show what the breakdown of the fees were.
Anyway I am moving so it doesn't affect me going forward.

Seve OB

rickis tache wrote: »

The vouchers were great to bring friends to play. They want to charge them/me to bring them now. Reduced income for clubhouse as out of 500 members who would bring guests to play and dine after would of been s nice extra cash. I understand they want to make cash now but don't disguise it as an gesture to us members when all they are doing is pulling back the curtain to show what the breakdown of the fees were.
Anyway I am moving so it doesn't affect me going forward.

so i suppose you are only going to consider joining somewhere that gives you free green fee vouchers?


i don't really see the big deal there tbh. i bring people to clubs im a member of because they want to come and play the course, not because i have a free voucher.

marko99

super saints wrote:

Due to so much golf being missed because of the two lockdowns has your club made any kind of a gesture towards the members. Either a nominal reduction on your subscription, a voucher for the pro shop, a meal voucher in the clubhouse, etc. ???

Not golf but sailing - My club has offered a 50% discount on 2021 subs to incentivise members to pay up for this year when they are getting very little value (if any) from their membership.

BigChap1759

6 weeks worth of subs pro-rata refund onto card and being promised a gift TBC for those that resign for 2021, no too shabby looking at the rest of these posts

Golfhead65

No, Lost 3 and a half months due to lockdowns etc and basically club(owners) have put on the poor mouth even though they bent the no greenfees rule coming out of 1st lockdown with a SPECIAL COVID membership of 250 euro which was greenfees in disguise and packed out timesheets every day and not by full members, They've said they did this work and that work etc stuff that would have been factored into last year's fees. I've no problem with no refund from last year as that's banked and done with but I'd have thought that they would have made some sort of gesture to fully paid up members from last year and reduced fee for this year.. Myself and a lot of other members are not happy about it and most probably play our golf elsewhere next year

super saints

There’s me thinking there might be a gesture from the club that has a thriving membership, just got an email to say there is a €50 increase for 2021, which now takes yearly sub to 4 figures (estimated projections made before the pandemic for 2020 were not reached, but still a profitable year).

Disappointed because I feel us suckers are being taken for granted....with the likelihood of another lockdown in the new year.

tyivpc5qjx0f2b

super saints wrote: »

There’s me thinking there might be a gesture from the club that has a thriving membership, just got an email to say there is a €50 increase for 2021, which now takes yearly sub to 4 figures (estimated projections made before the pandemic for 2020 were not reached, but still a profitable year).

Disappointed because I feel us suckers are being taken for granted....with the likelihood of another lockdown in the new year.

That seems a relatively myopic way of viewing your club's decision.

Almost no two clubs will take the same decision in the current situation because no two clubs are faced with the same array of circumstances.

My own club is a resort club so I understand that there are additional factors to consider beyond a members only club which is the closest comparison in terms of price and quality close to me. It's not an apples to apples comparison.

You should try to view it in relative terms and consider what factors drove their decisions before concluding you're being played for a sucker.

joebloggs32

Unfortunately a vulture fund took control of the debt at the start of the year.
It now looks like the membership structure will be changed to try and squeeze more cash from the members. Hopefully the additional 100 new members who joined due to covid will not decide to head off. Plenty of room for those members to stay in the club.

Mantis Toboggan

Nothing from my club yet. We've had 140 new members so the guts of an extra €170,000 with no real increase to expenses so hopefully they will be some reward for the loyal members.

rickis tache

Seve OB wrote: »

so i suppose you are only going to consider joining somewhere that gives you free green fee vouchers?


i don't really see the big deal there tbh. i bring people to clubs im a member of because they want to come and play the course, not because i have a free voucher.

Actually no I am leaving because I am joining a club that costs half the price as I don't plan on playing as much over the next few years and there is no value in paying the fees and only playing 20/30 times per year.

I did bring guests to play the course and they do want to play it as it is a nice course. The fact I give them the voucher is nice too.

I think we maybe taking this off thread a little as the original post was is there a gesture being given by the club and really the answer I believe is no. I could be wrong.

I understand your standing on the position of loyalty to your club as applaud you on it but for me personally I think my loyalty lies with elsewhere.....if you get what I mean.

tyivpc5qjx0f2b

rickis tache wrote: »

Actually no I am leaving because I am joining a club that costs half the price as I don't plan on playing as much over the next few years and there is no value in paying the fees and only playing 20/30 times per year.

I did bring guests to play the course and they do want to play it as it is a nice course. The fact I give them the voucher is nice too.

I think we maybe taking this off thread a little as the original post was is there a gesture being given by the club and really the answer I believe is no. I could be wrong.

I understand your standing on the position of loyalty to your club as applaud you on it but for me personally I think my loyalty lies with elsewhere.....if you get what I mean.

So effectively no matter what the gesture you were likely leaving the club anyway?

It seems quite a number of things would need to have happened for you to stay.

Perhaps your current club cut your rate by upwards of 50% in order to match the rate of your new club.

That seems somewhat unrealistic.

I’m going to guess that the deal you were offered something in the region of an estimated 15% savings all in will be better than average.

super saints

Jordan Wailing Prism wrote: »

That seems a relatively myopic way of viewing your club's decision.

Almost no two clubs will take the same decision in the current situation because no two clubs are faced with the same array of circumstances.

My own club is a resort club so I understand that there are additional factors to consider beyond a members only club which is the closest comparison in terms of price and quality close to me. It's not an apples to apples comparison.

You should try to view it in relative terms and consider what factors drove their decisions before concluding you're being played for a sucker.

Hard not to be “myopic” when a club is bursting at the seams with members and who have a very healthy bank balance.

For me it’s genuinely the principle of it, so many are under a lot pressure financially and personally and golf is a fantastic pastime and outlet especially for those that are feeling the strain that the pandemic has bestowed!!!
Not giving any kind of token gesture shows that it does not have a feel or sense of community spirit, which all good sports clubs try to achieve.

tyivpc5qjx0f2b

super saints wrote: »

Hard not to be “myopic” when a club is bursting at the seams with members and who have a very healthy bank balance.

For me it’s genuinely the principle of it, so many are under a lot pressure financially and personally and golf is a fantastic pastime and outlet especially for those that are feeling the strain that the pandemic has bestowed!!!
Not giving any kind of token gesture shows that it does not have a feel or sense of community spirit, which all good sports clubs try to achieve.

Again that seems myopic to me.

Take the previous posters example where a large part of debt was rid of but the patrons didn’t feel it in their pocket.

That said, they may likely feel it in future years as the club is more financially robust.

I just don’t think that a club bursting with members and an increase in fees automatically means that they’re not considering members.

If given a preference, I’d rather prudent financial decisions than short term token gestures.

super saints

Jordan Wailing Prism wrote: »

Again that seems myopic to me.

Take the previous posters example where a large part of debt was rid of but the patrons didn’t feel it in their pocket.

That said, they may likely feel it in future years as the club is more financially robust.

I just don’t think that a club bursting with members and an increase in fees automatically means that they’re not considering members.

If given a preference, I’d rather prudent financial decisions than short term token gestures.

So any club be it golf or otherwise that are doing something for its members because of because of the lockdowns are not being financially prudent!?!

Totally understandable for a club not to make a gesture if they were under pressure, but they are not!!!!!!!

tyivpc5qjx0f2b

super saints wrote: »

So any club be it golf or otherwise that are doing something for its members because of because of the lockdowns are not being financially prudent!?!

Totally understandable for a club not to make a gesture if they were under pressure, but they are not!!!!!!!

Lol that’s obviously not what I said.

Succinctly, no gesture != members being taken for granted.

I don’t know your club but obviously the details you have provided are vague at best. No pressure doesn’t automatically mean a need for a gesture.

JCDUB

We received a lovely gesture of a €100 "covid levy," with our membership books now full to capacity and closed, and huge difficulty accessing timesheets.

We took in about 50 new members last year, with the majority having to pay a 7.5k entrance fee. If they are under 40 they start to pay it when they turn 40. Either way it gets paid.

I'm disgusted. The club is financially very sound, even after a bad year. If we return to a full no golf lockdown this year I'll be asking for a reduction, I can't pay for a golf club/course that isn't accessible.

The motion was passed at a zoom AGM btw.

blue note

JCDUB wrote: »

We received a lovely gesture of a €100 "covid levy," with our membership books now full to capacity and closed, and huge difficulty accessing timesheets.

We took in about 50 new members last year, with the majority having to pay a 7.5k entrance fee. If they are under 40 they start to pay it when they turn 40. Either way it gets paid.

I'm disgusted. The club is financially very sound, even after a bad year. If we return to a full no golf lockdown this year I'll be asking for a reduction, I can't pay for a golf club/course that isn't accessible.

The motion was passed at a zoom AGM btw.

What club is that? Or if you don't want to say, is it a members club?

That's an absolute disgrace if the club is financially sound as you say. Shame on those members who voted it in.

And of course with that sort of joining fee I'd be that members will be very reluctant to leave.

rickis tache

JCDUB wrote: »

We received a lovely gesture of a €100 "covid levy," with our membership books now full to capacity and closed, and huge difficulty accessing timesheets.

We took in about 50 new members last year, with the majority having to pay a 7.5k entrance fee. If they are under 40 they start to pay it when they turn 40. Either way it gets paid.

I'm disgusted. The club is financially very sound, even after a bad year. If we return to a full no golf lockdown this year I'll be asking for a reduction, I can't pay for a golf club/course that isn't accessible.

The motion was passed at a zoom AGM btw.

If they are under 40 they start to pay it when they turn 40.....so what happens should they leave before they turn. .....I probably am reading that wrong.

JCDUB

blue note wrote: »

What club is that? Or if you don't want to say, is it a members club?

That's an absolute disgrace if the club is financially sound as you say. Shame on those members who voted it in.

And of course with that sort of joining fee I'd be that members will be very reluctant to leave.

Yep, well known member's club in Dublin.

Club is financially sound. In fairness, like all clubs they lost society and, to a lesser extent, competition and bar revenue last year.

I'm very upset though, can't believe it really.

JCDUB

rickis tache wrote: »

If they are under 40 they start to pay it when they turn 40.....so what happens should they leave before they turn. .....I probably am reading that wrong.

Nope, you're reading it right. Potentially someone could join when they're 25 and leave the year they turn 40, but that really doesn't happen.

chalky_ie

Nothing, and my fee went up 300 quid as I moved into a new intermediate category. Getting to the point where I'm questioning if it's worth the price for what I get, but not sure if I want the hassle of finding a new club.

fungie

JCDUB wrote: »

Yep, well known member's club in Dublin.

Club is financially sound. In fairness, like all clubs they lost society and, to a lesser extent, competition and bar revenue last year.

I'm very upset though, can't believe it really.

Is it a golf club on Bull island?

JCDUB

fungie wrote: »

Is it a golf club on Bull island?

That would be correct.

bamayang

We got a mail this week to say if we are joined and paid before March, we get 10% subs back for club shop/ bar. Nice enough.

rickis tache

Usually fees were to be paid by end of March but that's changed now to Jan 31.

desoconnor1959

Paid €1200 for 2020. Fees for 2021 reduced to €950 which includes €50 for the pro shop. Very please when you consider the amount of golf lost this year.

rickis tache

rickis tache wrote: »

Usually fees were to be paid by end of March but that's changed now to Jan 31.

Been told that from Feb membership will go from 790 to 1350.

Ollieboy

rickis tache wrote: »

Been told that from Feb membership will go from 790 to 1350.

I’m guessing your moving from a underage category to full?

rickis tache

Ollieboy wrote: »

I’m guessing your moving from a underage category to full?

Nope. New owners. Big changes.looking for a drop in members to make way for more green fees. Members are taking up a huge amount of tee times and new hotel being built on site.

dan_ep82

rickis tache wrote: »

Been told that from Feb membership will go from 790 to 1350.

Ollieboy

rickis tache wrote: »

Nope. New owners. Big changes.looking for a drop in members to make way for more green fees. Members are taking up a huge amount of tee times and new hotel being built on site.

Is that Deer Park? That’s a big jump for the same product but I’m guessing it’s not members owned.

rickis tache

Ollieboy wrote: »

Is that Deer Park? That’s a big jump for the same product but I’m guessing it’s not members owned.

Not in dublin and yes it's not owned by members. Shame though. Nice track.

tbayers

Local club made more profit in 2020 than it did in 2019. Membership has stayed the same and not a hint of anything back for months of golf being missed. Haven't renewed and won't lose any sleep over it. Will join back up next year when I can actually make use of club atmosphere and the service of playing golf itself. At the moment we have seen around 25% reduction in services (so far) yet people are paying full whack. It is crazy and every other club I am a part of have reduced or paused membership.

flugel

rickis tache wrote: »

Been told that from Feb membership will go from 790 to 1350.

Wonder will they soften their hard-line stance any with latest level 5 restrictions

I doubt it