holiday flights summer 2021

jconn

hi folks

anyone book flights yet for family hols next summer?

I am thinking of booking with Aer Lingus who are showing cheap flight options to France and Spain for early July 2021, 2 adults 3 kids and booking a car and a campsite then.

What do people think of the possibility of having mandatory covid vaccinations for anyone wishing to travel overseas next summer?

VG31

jconn wrote: »

What do people think of the possibility of having mandatory covid vaccinations for anyone wishing to travel overseas next summer?

Highly unlikely in Europe. Younger people with no underlying conditions will probably not be able to get the vaccine at that stage, even if they want to.

average_runner

jconn wrote: »

hi folks

anyone book flights yet for family hols next summer?

I am thinking of booking with Aer Lingus who are showing cheap flight options to France and Spain for early July 2021, 2 adults 3 kids and booking a car and a campsite then.

What do people think of the possibility of having mandatory covid vaccinations for anyone wishing to travel overseas next summer?

We booked our flights and went with flexible option in case things go belly up.
Still cheaper than last year.


Campsite booked last Sept, deposit was a voucher from last year, rest due in May.

Vaccinations: worry about that when we have to think about it, way off that so far

jconn

what about travel insurance for next summer for a family holiday, presumably premiums will be hiked, anyone get that sorted yet, any medical extras taken?

I see Aer Lingus are not offering any voucher or refund eligibility on their Economy Saver flight options (which are half the price of their Plus and Advantage flight options); presumably similar situation with Ryanair?

Wondering if there was a covid spike in the region of Spain/France where the flights were arriving, but with no Dept of Foreign Affairs non-travel advisory, is one just stuck with the option of either fly or lose the lot?

average_runner

jconn wrote: »

what about travel insurance for next summer for a family holiday, presumably premiums will be hiked, anyone get that sorted yet, any medical extras taken?

I see Aer Lingus are not offering any voucher or refund eligibility on their Economy Saver flight options (which are half the price of their Plus and Advantage flight options); presumably similar situation with Ryanair?

Wondering if there was a covid spike in the region of Spain/France where the flights were arriving, but with no Dept of Foreign Affairs non-travel advisory, is one just stuck with the option of either fly or lose the lot?

Travel Insurance will be no different than the summer gone. It didn't cover anything cancelled by Covid.


The price of Flexible ticket is cheaper this year than economy was last year with Aer Lingus for us going to France

scouserstation

Can't see mandatory vaccinations being a requirement, not within the next 6-12 months anyway, something like this would need significant infrastructure to be put in place and that's after a mass vaccine rollout, although I can see something like proof of negative test result for travel within EU being necessary for the foreseeable future

Ennione

I very much doubt there will be vaccination available on demand (for non vulnerable people) that soon. I personally have no plans to get on a airplane any time soon. All you need is one selfish person to fly knowing they have symptoms, and you have a plane load of sick people.

Clonmel1000

Ennione wrote: »

I very much doubt there will be vaccination available on demand (for non vulnerable people) that soon. I personally have no plans to get on a airplane any time soon. All you need is one selfish person to fly knowing they have symptoms, and you have a plane load of sick people.

Will you therefore not enter a supermarkets , shop, gym, restaurant etc in case one selfish person is there too? You’ll then have a shop load of sick people etc.

BobMc

Check the insurance, some policies now covering loss if you test positive and can't travel, usual exclusion, no cover for cancellation if government restricted, but I believe with the new traffice light system the old "do not travel" is gone
and its now travel with "caution"

I'm hoping to go, but will hold till new year and see regards what policy I can get and flight prices, have deposit on accomodation but was only e200

Tenzor07

scouserstation wrote: »

Can't see mandatory vaccinations being a requirement, not within the next 6-12 months anyway, something like this would need significant infrastructure to be put in place and that's after a mass vaccine rollout, although I can see something like proof of negative test result for travel within EU being necessary for the foreseeable future

Who will make it "Mandatory" I don't think the EU will make it a law that you have to have a Vaccine, it may be the case that individual countries make it a requirement but i'd expect those to be outside the EU... Making something mandatory is walking a very fine line for a lot of Authorities and private companies so will be interesting to see how this all pans out for travel going into the 2021 season...

Van.Bosch

jconn wrote: »

hi folks

anyone book flights yet for family hols next summer?

I am thinking of booking with Aer Lingus who are showing cheap flight options to France and Spain for early July 2021, 2 adults 3 kids and booking a car and a campsite then.

What do people think of the possibility of having mandatory covid vaccinations for anyone wishing to travel overseas next summer?

The flights are cheap due to the uncertainty over travel next summer, if you wait for certainty the cheap flights might be gone. It’s a tough call

Gael23

I’m hoping to travel perhaps around September 2021 but I won’t be booking for another few months.
Would be willing to pay a bit extra with Aer Lingus for booking flexibility within reason

Lex Luthor

Ennione wrote: »

I very much doubt there will be vaccination available on demand (for non vulnerable people) that soon. I personally have no plans to get on a airplane any time soon. All you need is one selfish person to fly knowing they have symptoms, and you have a plane load of sick people.

as opposed to all the other unselfish people who may be asymptomatic

:rolleyes:

scouserstation

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Who will make it "Mandatory" I don't think the EU will make it a law that you have to have a Vaccine, it may be the case that individual countries make it a requirement but i'd expect those to be outside the EU... Making something mandatory is walking a very fine line for a lot of Authorities and private companies so will be interesting to see how this all pans out for travel going into the 2021 season...

Nobody will make it "mandatory" per se but I reckon there will be certain restrictions for people who decline the vaccine, for example I would imagine for people who want to travel but have not yet received the vaccine they will have to fork out for a PCR test and have proof of negative result before entering some countries, if you can show youve been vaccinated then no test required and off you go without any hassle

Tenzor07

scouserstation wrote: »

Nobody will make it "mandatory" per se but I reckon there will be certain restrictions for people who decline the vaccine, for example I would imagine for people who want to travel but have not yet received the vaccine they will have to fork out for a PCR test and have proof of negative result before entering some countries, if you can show youve been vaccinated then no test required and off you go without any hassle

Meh... won't be so simple... a worldwide roll out of Vaccines could take 3 years, with each and every country outside.. and possibly inside the EU all having different requirements... show a cert.. download an app with a barcode... who's responsible to check it? Border control? IT systems which will scan Vaccine proof certs to check they're not forgeries..will that be at a Global level? Will it be integrated with passport systems and the software at all points of entry setup to scan it?

Dunno which way countries plan on opening up to travellers but if you restrict it to those with a vaccine cert then i'd expect tourist numbers to be even less in 2021 than 2020...

Tenzor07

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Meh... won't be so simple... a worldwide roll out of Vaccines could take 3 years, with each and every country outside.. and possibly inside the EU all having different requirements... show a cert.. download an app with a barcode... who's responsible to check it? Border control? IT systems which will scan Vaccine proof certs to check they're not forgeries..will that be at a Global level? Will it be integrated with passport systems and the software at all points of entry setup to scan it?

Dunno which way countries plan on opening up to travellers but if you restrict it to those with a vaccine cert then i'd expect tourist numbers to be even less in 2021 than 2020...

I had to cancel a cruise this Christmas, and with the credit booked another for September. Now I am taking a risk in this, I don't know that the cruise company won't make it a condition of voyage that I must have a vaccine, nor do I know if the airlines I will be booked on will make it a condition of travel. I'm hoping to actually have a vaccine by then but no guarantees of this at all.

scouserstation

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Meh... won't be so simple... a worldwide roll out of Vaccines could take 3 years, with each and every country outside.. and possibly inside the EU all having different requirements... show a cert.. download an app with a barcode... who's responsible to check it? Border control? IT systems which will scan Vaccine proof certs to check they're not forgeries..will that be at a Global level? Will it be integrated with passport systems and the software at all points of entry setup to scan it?

Dunno which way countries plan on opening up to travellers but if you restrict it to those with a vaccine cert then i'd expect tourist numbers to be even less in 2021 than 2020...

As alluded to earlier I can't see the infrastructure being in place for this within the next few months however I would say by 2022 there will be some sort of vaccine passport or cert that will be required for travel, there are already some airlines talking about refusing people who are not vaccinated by the summertime but I reckon a lot of them will have to extend or postpone this time frame

Mrtm17

Thinking of booking a holiday for the 3 of us in the canerys next October for a Christmas present, still have doubts,but surely it should be ok and opened up alot by then?

jconn

There is an article in the Irish Times about Vaccine certificates being part of the implementation plan in Ireland, and mention of the possible requirement of some airlines to have this certificate before flying next summer.

In terms of our family of 2 adults 3 kids, I would imagine it very unlikely all of us would have the vaccine by July considering we are so far thankfully all healthy under 50, so this begs the questions will we potentially have to pay for a private Covid test before going on holidays, and after returning?

Duke of Url

Mrtm17 wrote: »

Thinking of booking a holiday for the 3 of us in the canerys next October for a Christmas present, still have doubts,but surely it should be ok and opened up alot by then?

You would need a crystal ball

scouserstation

jconn wrote: »

There is an article in the Irish Times about Vaccine certificates being part of the implementation plan in Ireland, and mention of the possible requirement of some airlines to have this certificate before flying next summer.

In terms of our family of 2 adults 3 kids, I would imagine it very unlikely all of us would have the vaccine by July considering we are so far thankfully all healthy under 50, so this begs the questions will we potentially have to pay for a private Covid test before going on holidays, and after returning?

I think it would be wise to factor this into the cost of your holiday for next summer, however there has been pressure on the Spanish government as well as other EU holiday destinations to accept antigen testing as a means of entry as this will be low cost compared to PCR tests, allowing more people access to travelling there, the whole thing is still up in the air (no pun intended) with regards to what will be acceptable within the next few months but some countries will not be in a position to turn away tourists after losing so much revenue

opinionated3

Senior scientists in France now saying normality may not resume till autumn next year...... If that's the case I assume that would extend to most of the EU therefore ruling out typical summer holidays unless you're willing to quarantine on arrival and return home??

jconn

I am gone from being optimistic about Summer 2021 travel from Ireland to France/Spain early Dec, to a lot more pessimistic now...though the cheap flights still remain!

I guess we have bigger fish to fry in this country right now, the numbers are high but hopefully will calm down again pretty quickly, lots of elderly folks frightened to go for a walk so talk of summer hols seems a bit selfish.

Will keep an eye on the flights but the uncertainty will continue I guess until we see how the vaccination program plays out, I suspect we may see France/Spain/Italy requiring vaccine certs before allowing tourists in.

opinionated3

jconn wrote: »

I am gone from being optimistic about Summer 2021 travel from Ireland to France/Spain early Dec, to a lot more pessimistic now...though the cheap flights still remain!

I guess we have bigger fish to fry in this country right now, the numbers are high but hopefully will calm down again pretty quickly, lots of elderly folks frightened to go for a walk so talk of summer hols seems a bit selfish.

Will keep an eye on the flights but the uncertainty will continue I guess until we see how the vaccination program plays out, I suspect we may see France/Spain/Italy requiring vaccine certs before allowing tourists in.

Same here. Was all set to book our two weeks in Portugal for next September but I think it's probably a non runner now. Roll out of vaccine seems to be a lot slower than I anticipated

Atlantic Dawn

jconn wrote: »

Will keep an eye on the flights but the uncertainty will continue I guess until we see how the vaccination program plays out, I suspect we may see France/Spain/Italy requiring vaccine certs before allowing tourists in.

I suspect those countries will base their full reopening on when their vulnerable and front line workers are vaccinated, once that's done they won't care who is coming in whether they have Covid or not as impact will be minimal and manageable. Additionally there's little testing at all been done as to whether those vaccinated can still transmit the virus.

Tigerandahalf

Given that very young kids may not be vaccinated until 2022 I can't see them looking for vaccine certs at the airports.

I think once the 60 plus are vaccinated things should hopefully open up.

There is still of course huge uncertainty over whether the vaccine will be effective in the long term.

Europe should really have locked down like NZ/Aus did.

In many ways they should allow travel from an early stage as otherwise you will have a mass of people looking to get away towards the end of the year.

I think there has been something like 100,000 positive cases in ROI now. Given that many people are not showing symptoms half a million could already have had the virus.

Gael23

Still aiming towards September but I wont be booking anything for a couple of months. I am group 7 on the priority list so hope to have a vaccine by easter.

jester77

Hard to know what countries will implement. Spain have already said they will keep data on those that refuse the vaccine and they will share this with other EU countries. If other countries follow this approach, then I can foresee people getting stopped on entry for not having the vaccine. I can't see this happening this year though, but in the future it may be mandatory to have your vaccine passport on you when ever you are travelling. Hopefully they update the current vaccine passports to something more robust, mine is in poor shape as it is.

ShatterProof

I'm heading to Iceland later this week. Depending on how it goes, I might book Dunnes Stores for next week.



oops, I'll get my (over) coat.

AFK123

Really tempted to book our family holiday to Spain for end of June. When I priced in October it was 1500 for 7 but its now only 1000 which is great value. Just not sure if it will be throwing away money.

Only thing is its a voucher I will use to pay it so doesn't feel like it's costing me

Tigerandahalf

Re Ryanair flight changes - I thought you could change your flight without any change fee if you booked in December or January.

Yet when I try to change my flights I am being charged a change fee of 280eur for everyone on the flights.

I thought any flight could be changed for free.

I booked the flight in December which I thought would mean a no flight change fee.

https://extra.ie/2020/11/20/business/irish/ryanair-waive-flight-change-fee/amp

Thanks

Van.Bosch

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

Re Ryanair flight changes - I thought you could change your flight without any change fee if you booked in December or January.

Yet when I try to change my flights I am being charged a change fee of 280eur for everyone on the flights.

I thought any flight could be changed for free.

I booked the flight in December which I thought would mean a no flight change fee.

https://extra.ie/2020/11/20/business/irish/ryanair-waive-flight-change-fee/amp

Thanks

Is it possible that’s the fare difference? No fee but the new flights are dearer so you pay the difference?

JimmyVik

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

Re Ryanair flight changes - I thought you could change your flight without any change fee if you booked in December or January.

Yet when I try to change my flights I am being charged a change fee of 280eur for everyone on the flights.

I thought any flight could be changed for free.

I booked the flight in December which I thought would mean a no flight change fee.

https://extra.ie/2020/11/20/business/irish/ryanair-waive-flight-change-fee/amp

Thanks

Its Ryanair. They'll get you in the end


Ive booked two sets of flights for European holidays in the summer (not with Ryanair). I live in hope.
And the second it does become obvious that foreign destinations are a go, expect the prices to rocket. So im in before that

Tigerandahalf

It turns out that because I booked the flight for May the flight change fee applies. You need to have booked the flight for Easter (presumably Easter 2 weeks) or the Summer holidays.

It seems poor service to me.

Anyway I am reluctant to rebook as I think you can only change the flight time once.
Just a lot of hassle at the moment and there are bigger issues.

Gael23

I don’t feel confident booking just now but I’m concerned if I don’t flights will get quite expensive when everyone has the same idea

jmlad2020

Don't book flights abroad you inbred morons.

Unfortunately summer will probably be a write off. Deal with it and maybe do a staycation instead.

If you go to Spain you can ****ing stay because you'll come back and infect us and we'll be in this **** situation again.

Morons.

StreetLight

jmlad2020 wrote: »

If you go to Spain you can ****ing stay because you'll come back and infect us and we'll be in this **** situation again.

Given the apalling infection rates here over the past week, I think the Spanish would be more at risk from us.

Sheep Shagger

Gael23 wrote: »

I don’t feel confident booking just now but I’m concerned if I don’t flights will get quite expensive when everyone has the same idea

Am forgetting about summer this year, in the unlikely event we are vaccinated by then, all of the UK and Ireland will be going going to the usual hot spots.

Maybe midterm in October at a push....

Mrtm17

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

Am forgetting about summer this year, in the unlikely event we are vaccinated by then, all of the UK and Ireland will be going going to the usual hot spots.

Maybe midterm in October at a push....

I was thinking of booking for the Oct mid term break too,I wonder will u have to have had the vaccine to travel by then?

Gael23

I should have the vaccine by June hence my hope for September

Sheep Shagger

Mrtm17 wrote: »

I was thinking of booking for the Oct mid term break too,I wonder will u have to have had the vaccine to travel by then?

100% Airlines (and possibly also countries) won't allow you to travel without proof of the vaccine.

Will take a while for airline schedules to rebuild, can see holiday hot spots jammers at the start.

opinionated3

Is Portugal in mid September realistic? (Assuming my wife and I have been vaccinated by then). I personally don't see any reason why holiday travel couldn't happen around then

AFK123

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

100% Airlines (and possibly also countries) won't allow you to travel without proof of the vaccine.

Will take a while for airline schedules to rebuild, can see holiday hot spots jammers at the start.

Don't see this being the case this year. I know quantas said that but I can't see Ryanair insisting on vaccine and if Spain took people eiymthout vaccine in 2020, I can't see them refusing us in 2021. May be requirement next year though

Sheep Shagger

AFK123 wrote: »

Don't see this being the case this year. I know quantas said that but I can't see Ryanair insisting on vaccine and if Spain took people eiymthout vaccine in 2020, I can't see them refusing us in 2021. May be requirement next year though

There wasn't a vaccine though before and there is now, can't see countries letting people in if there is vaccine and people don't have it (they need to protect their people and economies too).

Sheep Shagger

opinionated3 wrote: »

Is Portugal in mid September realistic? (Assuming my wife and I have been vaccinated by then). I personally don't see any reason why holiday travel couldn't happen around then

In theory you should be ok, supply of airline seats and hotels may not be back up which could affect prices and/or availability.

Gael23

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

In theory you should be ok, supply of airline seats and hotels may not be back up which could affect prices and/or availability.

I’m looking towards Spain and Portugal in September too. Not booking yet though and certainly not booking anything that can’t be changed

Kauto0709

We have Spain booked for August and hoping for the best.

johnire

I completely agree with you. No country is going to want to have to have it's health service have to provide care to tourists with Covid- can you imagine the negative press there would be?

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

There wasn't a vaccine though before and there is now, can't see countries letting people in if there is vaccine and people don't have it (they need to protect their people and economies too).

johnire

We're the same. Realistically I think you're looking at September before you'll have any peace of mind to travel.

Gael23 wrote: »

I’m looking towards Spain and Portugal in September too. Not booking yet though and certainly not booking anything that can’t be changed

Gael23

johnire wrote: »

We're the same. Realistically I think you're looking at September before you'll have any peace of mind to travel.

What do you think about booking?

johnire

That's the million dollar question!!
I honestly don't know. The only thing I can say is what we're doing is waiting to book until we've had our vaccines. Then we'll just play it by ear. I think for this year we're just going to have to roll with it and see what happens.

Gael23 wrote: »

What do you think about booking?