Oat Milk/Drink

Tar.Aldarion

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

when you have things like oat milk and the meat substitutes coming out nowadays, it really doesn't feel like an extreme diet at all, especially if you try and watch your weight and avoid certain foods anyway.

Doesn't this seem like a good opportunity in Ireland? The first Irish Oat milk brand I know of just came out, we could be doing great business in this regard as oat milk is a booming product around the globe.

Markcheese

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Doesn't this seem like a good opportunity in Ireland? The first Irish Oat milk brand I know of just came out, we could be doing great business in this regard as oat milk is a booming product around the globe.

To be fair , if there's a good market for oats , more farmers will grow them , glanbia already have a specialist gluten free oat unit .. there are plenty buyer's of organic oats too .. and the oat part of oat milk is cheap as chips ( biggest cost is packaging and distribution )

richie123

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Yeah I feel like it would be a good product for us, and it also retails higher than dairy milk around €2.50 per litre. Gluten free oat unit, that's very cool.
It's also open to a lot of entrepreneurial opportunities I think, creating your own brands and so on.

Why is it so dear ..I mean it's basically ground up oats and and water ? Should it not be closer to a euro a litre at the most..

Thelonious Monk

richie123 wrote: »

Why is it so dear ..I mean it's basically ground up oats and and water ? Should it not be closer to a euro a litre at the most..

I think you should be asking why cow's milk is so cheap. But for now oat milk is a niche market, so they can probably charge a bit more. Then again a litre of most drinks cost a good bit more than cow's milk.

Tar.Aldarion

richie123 wrote: »

Why is it so dear ..I mean it's basically ground up oats and and water ? Should it not be closer to a euro a litre at the most..

The price something cost to produce is often far from the market price. It's a popular more niche item that will go down in price with more competition. It's what people are willing to pay, there are own brand ones for around 1.50 or so.

richie123

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I think you should be asking why cow's milk is so cheap. But for now oat milk is a niche market, so they can probably charge a bit more. Then again a litre of most drinks cost a good bit more than cow's milk.

I mean without knowing the work in producing oat milk ..cows milk is a very labour/time intensive,not to mind cost of facilities.
And it's 3 times cheaper ..makes no sense.

Thelonious Monk

richie123 wrote: »

I mean without knowing the work in producing oat milk ..cows milk is a very labour/time intensive,not to mind cost of facilities.
And it's 3 times cheaper ..makes no sense.

you're in the wrong game richie, grow oat milk and become a vegan, you know you want to

I’m paying $4.95 for a litre of Oatly Barista.

Jjameson

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I’m paying $4.95 for a litre of Oatly Barista.

Christ a kg of porridge oats only 60cent here. Hot water a blender and make your own?

Jjameson

Jjameson wrote: »

Christ a kg of porridge oats only 60cent here. Hot water a blender and make your own?

I’ve never looked into the process of making it.

It’s just convenience too.

There are others (brands) that are cheaper but the Oatly Barista is a cut above.

They have another 1-2 in their range too.

Edit - just looked up the method. Much easier than I thought. May give it a go -

https://minimalistbaker.com/make-oat-milk/

Faith

I’ve tried making my own oat milk and it’s a lot harder than it looks. To replicate Oatly, in particular, was impossible. My homemade stuff - and I tried multiple times using different recipes and methods - tasted rubbish, sank in my coffee, was grainy, didn’t provide any flavour, had no creaminess, and didn’t whiten my coffee. I think it’s the calcium carbonate in oatly that makes the difference.

I’ve just moved back to Ireland and bought 4 cartons of the Flahavans Oat milk but I’m really disappointed by it. It tastes sharp and reminds me of my homemade attempts. I’ll be going back to Oatly ASAP for now.

I think it would be amazing if there were more Irish producers making it, because I think it’s bloody delicious and we have all we need for it here. They just need better recipes!

Thanks.

You’ve just saved me a lot of time, experimentation and stress, no doubt.

Tar.Aldarion

Yeah different strokes, I much prefer oatly (my mother even gets it now instead of milk) but my girlfriend just bought 48 cartons of flahavans haha. I quite like minor figures too https://www.hollandandbarrett.ie/shop/food-drink/dairy-alternatives/oat-rice-hemp-drinks/

Funsterdelux

Faith wrote: »

I’ve tried making my own oat milk and it’s a lot harder than it looks. To replicate Oatly, in particular, was impossible. My homemade stuff - and I tried multiple times using different recipes and methods - tasted rubbish, sank in my coffee, was grainy, didn’t provide any flavour, had no creaminess, and didn’t whiten my coffee. I think it’s the calcium carbonate in oatly that makes the difference.
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My OH made it a good few times, though she drinks the less creamy versions. (Dream Oat, aldi versions etc). It tasted the same as those versions(i tasted too), wasnt grainy but it did settle in tea(but so do the thin oat versions). A good muslim cloth is a must. Our water is limey so maybe that helps too

We havent tried to make a barista style one, but I'd would imagine it might require extra steeping or some top secret technique

Gary kk

Have you used the rapeseed oil in it?

Markcheese

Calcium would be used in dairy processing a good bit , to help with yield, ( you tend to loose a lot of milk solids after pasteurizing otherwise ,
So that could be relavent ,
As you said technique and reciepe ,
There could be a difference in using a whole oats or an oat meal , I'd imagine a whole oat ( including oat germ ) would be more likely to be bitter ,
Is a vegetable oil added ? That would need an emulsifier of some sort too , to keep the oil in suspension ...

Markcheese

Wow , it's 10 % oats , and a little bit of oil , and traces of other ingredients .. so prob about 85 % water ,
And oats are cheap ( really cheap ) , it's a milk carton so that's cheap , it only needs ambient distribution so that's cheap ..
Yeah there's money in oat milk ( not so much in oats though )

Faith

Mod Note: I've just split the discussion of oat milk into its own thread, as it's interesting and I don't want it getting lost in the other thread.

Tar.Aldarion

Markcheese wrote: »

Wow , it's 10 % oats , and a little bit of oil , and traces of other ingredients .. so prob about 85 % water ,
And oats are cheap ( really cheap ) , it's a milk carton so that's cheap , it only needs ambient distribution so that's cheap ..
Yeah there's money in oat milk ( not so much in oats though )

Yeah that's what I mean, it's cheap and grown here, nice opportunity for those that take it. Especially if somebody has a bit of business acumen and starts a brand like Oatly for themselves. Supervalu are quite good at introducing small irish products, they helped a vegan bakery launching (and now they won best bakery in Ireland), and have launched a vegan Camembert style cheese my friend made and that just won an award.

purplesnack

Markcheese wrote: »

Wow , it's 10 % oats , and a little bit of oil , and traces of other ingredients .. so prob about 85 % water ,
And oats are cheap ( really cheap ) , it's a milk carton so that's cheap , it only needs ambient distribution so that's cheap ..
Yeah there's money in oat milk ( not so much in oats though )

I love oat milk and I'd much prefer to buy from an Irish supplier. The fact that it's currently expensive is probably due to the fact that it's a new process that needs investment. Price would probably go down if demand and supply went up.

richie123

purplesnack wrote: »

I love oat milk and I'd much prefer to buy from an Irish supplier. The fact that it's currently expensive is probably due to the fact that it's a new process that needs investment. Price would probably go down if demand and supply went up.

Anyone any figures on sales in this country ?
Also did any crack the secret to making it creamier ?for coffee cappacinos etc

Thelonious Monk

richie123 wrote: »

Anyone any figures on sales in this country ?
Also did any crack the secret to making it creamier ?for coffee cappacinos etc

Unlike previous posters, they've all tasted pretty good to me, including flahavans. The Aldi own brand one is good too. I use it in coffee and in smoothies, I honestly prefer it to real milk now.

Faith

richie123 wrote: »

Anyone any figures on sales in this country ?
Also did any crack the secret to making it creamier ?for coffee cappacinos etc

The ingredients of Oatly are:

Oat base (water, oats 10%), rapeseed oil, calcium carbonate, calcium phosphates, iodised salt, vitamins (D2, riboflavin, B12).

I think it must be the calcium carbonate and calcium phosphates that do a lot of the work. The oil helps with mouthfeel too.

Also, agreed Thelonious! I started using Oatly after thinking I was lactose intolerant. I'm not, but it turns out I FAR prefer the taste of oat milk. It's like dipping a hobnob into your coffee.

Tar.Aldarion

"It's like dipping a hobnob into your coffee." Haha if I hadn't tried it I'd be sold on that.

Dizzyblonde

After reading that statement I'm going to buy some

Unearthly

I can't praise Oatly enough. Love it so much.

I had tesco delivered last week and they substituted Oatly with Alpro almond milk.

My reaction was like this

Tar.Aldarion

The only almond milk I love is Califia farms, it is so thick and creamy. Their coffee drinks are amazing too, in Dunnes/Supervalu:




But as almond is worse for the environment and frankly oat jsut tastes better it is best to go with oatly or some equivalent for my drinks.

timsey tiger

Deleted User wrote: »

I’ve never looked into the process of making it.

It’s just convenience too.

There are others (brands) that are cheaper but the Oatly Barista is a cut above.

They have another 1-2 in their range too.

Edit - just looked up the method. Much easier than I thought. May give it a go -

https://minimalistbaker.com/make-oat-milk/

You could try a few additives like multivitimin and calcium tablet to get closer to their ingredient mix.

Space Dog

I think I read that there is some fermentation happening with industrially produced oat milk, which is probably not easily replicated at home.

ElKavo

timsey tiger wrote: »

You could try a few additives like multivitimin and calcium tablet to get closer to their ingredient mix.

Yeah and you can add liquid B12 too. I do when making my own milks at home. Typically I make hemp, cashew, almond or oat.

Solgar do a vegan b12 in liquid form. Its super potent too so you dont need much.

Demonique

Unearthly wrote: »

I can't praise Oatly enough. Love it so much.

I had tesco delivered last week and they substituted Oatly with Alpro almond milk.

My reaction was like this

You think they'd substitute it for another brand of oat milk, imagine being allergic to nuts and getting a substitution you can't drink