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    #32
    Wildsurfer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭Wildsurfer


    Ok the truth of cluster flush. Lads who tell you it's great have spent thousands on it, and it's hard to admit the truth then. I was one of those people. So the reasons: 1.It wont cure SCC. If you have a SCC problem, you have high SCC cows, flushing cluster after milking wont solve that. So you must solve that problem and then sort out the issues that are causing it. I threw my cluster flush out last year and SCC was lower this year. Not because I threw it out but because I sold the high SCC cows. The lads with the lowest scc I'm my group, below 50k, don't have any cluster flush, how are they doing it!
    2. You will be broke buying drums of acid for it, no wonder milking machine salesmen push it, it's a continuous income stream for them. I got so fed up drawing drums to it that half the time there was only water doing the flush.
    3. Cluster will have to hang from upper side so every time you swing across you will have to turn cluster around to attach to next cow. No better way to cause wrist problems if your milking alot of cows.
    4. It slows milking for obvious reasons.
    So to summarise: looks like a great idea, I got sucked in too, but please consider carefully before putting it in. Solve the cause of the problem, because this wont.


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    #33
    blackdog1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    Getting cluster flush fitted with parlour extension here c 450€ inc vat per unit

    If your getting cluster flush there is a crowd in England that do one that dips the cows before taking off the cluster and then flushing the cluster. Adf milking is the crowd that do it.


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    #34
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    I’ve heard good reports about it too tbf but I’d be looking deeper if there’s an scc problem or mastitis issues cluster flush won’t solve it best way to solve an scc problem is to cull it out easy do it if milk recording obviously check earthing on parlour and good hygiene practices

    On the parlour etc a hear detection and health monitoring system on my wish list

    Didn't say it would solve the problem but it will be an aid to help us get it right
    We lost the majority of our herd to scc and mastitis not so long ago and with the new dry cow tube regulations I'm not willing to take the risk on that affecting our herd again seeing as our herd has a poor history with it

    We'll have enough units now so we shouldn't be waiting on units outside of peak


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    #35
    cjpm
    Registered Users Posts: 1,441 ✭✭✭cjpm


    Wildsurfer wrote: »
    Ok the truth of cluster flush. Lads who tell you it's great have spent thousands on it, and it's hard to admit the truth then. I was one of those people. So the reasons: 1.It wont cure SCC. If you have a SCC problem, you have high SCC cows, flushing cluster after milking wont solve that. So you must solve that problem and then sort out the issues that are causing it. I threw my cluster flush out last year and SCC was lower this year. Not because I threw it out but because I sold the high SCC cows. The lads with the lowest scc I'm my group, below 50k, don't have any cluster flush, how are they doing it!
    2. You will be broke buying drums of acid for it, no wonder milking machine salesmen push it, it's a continuous income stream for them. I got so fed up drawing drums to it that half the time there was only water doing the flush.
    3. Cluster will have to hang from upper side so every time you swing across you will have to turn cluster around to attach to next cow. No better way to cause wrist problems if your milking alot of cows.
    4. It slows milking for obvious reasons.
    So to summarise: looks like a great idea, I got sucked in too, but please consider carefully before putting it in. Solve the cause of the problem, because this wont.




    Fair play for such a detailed reply. Thanks


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    #36
    Tonynewholland
    Registered Users Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    Wildsurfer wrote: »
    Ok the truth of cluster flush. Lads who tell you it's great have spent thousands on it, and it's hard to admit the truth then. I was one of those people. So the reasons: 1.It wont cure SCC. If you have a SCC problem, you have high SCC cows, flushing cluster after milking wont solve that. So you must solve that problem and then sort out the issues that are causing it. I threw my cluster flush out last year and SCC was lower this year. Not because I threw it out but because I sold the high SCC cows. The lads with the lowest scc I'm my group, below 50k, don't have any cluster flush, how are they doing it!
    2. You will be broke buying drums of acid for it, no wonder milking machine salesmen push it, it's a continuous income stream for them. I got so fed up drawing drums to it that half the time there was only water doing the flush.
    3. Cluster will have to hang from upper side so every time you swing across you will have to turn cluster around to attach to next cow. No better way to cause wrist problems if your milking alot of cows.
    4. It slows milking for obvious reasons.
    So to summarise: looks like a great idea, I got sucked in too, but please consider carefully before putting it in. Solve the cause of the problem, because this wont.

    How much a year did you spend on acid?


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    #37
    Wildsurfer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭Wildsurfer


    Tonynewholland wrote: »
    How much a year did you spend on acid?

    I don't know tbh but I just know I used to have a stack of empty 25L drums outside the Dairy door!


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    #38
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Wildsurfer wrote: »
    I don't know tbh but I just know I used to have a stack of empty 25L drums outside the Dairy door!

    Why didn't you use 200l barrels
    Cheaper and wouldn't be used as often


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    #39
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users Posts: 11,118 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    Didn't say it would solve the problem but it will be an aid to help us get it right
    We lost the majority of our herd to scc and mastitis not so long ago and with the new dry cow tube regulations I'm not willing to take the risk on that affecting our herd again seeing as our herd has a poor history with it

    We'll have enough units now so we shouldn't be waiting on units outside of peak

    Wouldn’t be concerned about dry cow tubes they’ll still be got


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    #40
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users Posts: 11,118 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    blackdog1 wrote: »
    If your getting cluster flush there is a crowd in England that do one that dips the cows before taking off the cluster and then flushing the cluster. Adf milking is the crowd that do it.

    I’ve a Gea parlour and they have a cluster that milks ,teat dips before taking off cluster and then flushes once off ,called appolo system costs circa 1300 per unit


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    #41
    bogman_bass
    Registered Users Posts: 5,057 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    tismesoitis wrote: »
    You clearly missed my post Mr Bass;)

    Oops missed the last line of that post!


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    #42
    Grueller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,135 ✭✭✭Grueller


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    I’ve a Gea parlour and they have a cluster that milks ,teat dips before taking off cluster and then flushes once off ,called appolo system costs circa 1300 per unit

    Ouch. I got a whole parlour,teat spray unit, plate cooler, sump pump, mangers, stall work supplied and fitted for €2100 a unit. That's some price for that system.


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    #43
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users Posts: 11,118 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Grueller wrote: »
    Ouch. I got a whole parlour,teat spray unit, plate cooler, sump pump, mangers, stall work supplied and fitted for €2100 a unit. That's some price for that system.

    Tbf it’s a serious piece of kit lots of units sold all around the world


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    #44
    awaywithyou
    Registered Users Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    I’ve a Gea parlour and they have a cluster that milks ,teat dips before taking off cluster and then flushes once off ,called appolo system costs circa 1300 per unit

    Another crowd had that system but if I’m not mistaken wasn’t there high levels of teat dip showing up in the milk??


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    #45
    awaywithyou
    Registered Users Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    blackdog1 wrote: »
    If your getting cluster flush there is a crowd in England that do one that dips the cows before taking off the cluster and then flushing the cluster. Adf milking is the crowd that do it.

    Just seen ur post now... that’s the crowd I was referring to...


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    #46
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users Posts: 11,118 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    awaywithyou wrote: »
    Another crowd had that system but if I’m not mistaken wasn’t there high levels of teat dip showing up in the milk??

    Gea had all those problems in development but all ironed out now and loads of happy customers ,I know there’s at least one farm up north with it


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