The Vaccine

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I never claimed to have studied over homeopathy. I own a large collection of books but claim never to have studied it.

You are claiming homeopathy works though but there's zero evidence for it providing any benefit beyond a placebo effect. Meanwhile you're claiming vaccines are bad news even though they are proven to work and have saved tens of millions of live since the first came into existence.

To use an example, do you think retaining multiple forms of cervical cancer is better than the hpv vaccine?

aido79

skooterblue2 wrote: »

what situation would that be?

Have you ever gone to an acupuncturist, Homeopath or the like with a serious complaint?

I am guessing not, which is also fine.

A situation where covid19 was able to make people in the east sick and then allow it to spread around the world. Surely eastern medicine could have stopped this?
I hope this sounds as ridiculous to you as most of your ramblings sound to me.

skooterblue2

Deleted User wrote: »

To use an example, do you think retaining multiple forms of cervical cancer is better than the hpv vaccine?

Well I never claimed to be an expert in vaccines or cervical cancer but the current Irish approach of "test and conceal" hasnt worked out great for thousands of women. ISnt that the way we work in Ireland? Make a medical blunder and conceal it?

skooterblue2

aido79 wrote: »

A situation where covid19 was able to make people in the east sick and then allow it to spread around the world. Surely eastern medicine could have stopped this?
I hope this sounds as ridiculous to you as most of your ramblings sound to me.

Actually TCM is one sixth of the Chinese GP training. So western medicine didnt stop it either. I cannot really judge it as I have met anyone who has had it. So really its a bit of an urban myth to me.

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Well I never claimed to be an expert in vaccines or cervical cancer but the current Irish approach of "test and conceal" hasnt worked out great for thousands of women. ISnt that the way we work in Ireland? Make a medical blunder and conceal it?

You're not addressing my point, the hpv vaccine is set to be responsible for a drastic reduction in cervical cases. Prevention is better, you said it yourself. This is good, no?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-45727977

Also you've been happy to make pronouncements snot the dangers of vaccines when knowing very little if anything about them.

skooterblue2

Deleted User wrote: »

You're not addressing my point, the hpv vaccine is set to be responsible for a drastic reduction in cervical cases. Prevention is better, you said it yourself. This is good, no?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-45727977

Also you've been happy to make pronouncements snot the dangers of vaccines when knowing very little if anything about them.

I have seen a few vaccines go wrong leaving young girls having fits and seizures.

aido79

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Actually TCM is one sixth of the Chinese GP training. So western medicine didnt stop it either. I cannot really judge it as I have met anyone who has had it. So really its a bit of an urban myth to me.

Please clarify what is the urban myth to you.

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I have seen a few vaccines go wrong leaving young girls having fits and seizures.

Firstly, it's pretty rare to actually see such a claim being verified cause they often amount to nonsense. Incredibly rare side effects still end up greatly outweighing the risk of cervical cancer. To use an example, the supposed side effects of the hpv vaccine saw no discernable difference between ordinary occurrence rate.

https://www.irishlifehealth.ie/blog/the-hpv-vaccine-still-worried

faceman

Quiner wrote: »

No one said anything about microchips.

Health Passport Ireland could, and I say could, encompass all health. I gave the example of a person with a cold being denied entry to a restaurant, for example. A person with a cold is technically unhealthy. So they could find themselves locked out of society. Why are they going to all the bother of trialling it across the country if they don't envision it being implemented in Ireland?

Again, PSC, it failed dramatically even though it had far more benefits to the nation than a health passport. You are talking fantasy stuff

But to flip the coin. Hopefully this pandemic teaches us that if you’re sick, you stay home work and social activities. It’s unacceptable for people to think they can socialise with people in a work or leisure context while ill and spread their germs around. Don’t you agree?

Quiner

faceman wrote: »

Again, PSC, it failed dramatically even though it had far more benefits to the nation than a health passport. You are talking fantasy stuff

But to flip the coin. Hopefully this pandemic teaches us that if you’re sick, you stay home work and social activities. It’s unacceptable for people to think they can socialise with people in a work or leisure context while ill and spread their germs around. Don’t you agree?

I hope you're right, but more than one health passport is being rolled out. Freedom passes are set to be introduced in the UK. Health Passport Ireland is being trialled all across the country and the government is set to analyse the results. So all the signs point to it being rolled out in some form. Especially considering what was described as the great success of the trial in that small Roscommon town.

I agree. I'd be happy to do that.

Timberrrrrrrr

Quiner wrote: »

I hope you're right, but more than one health passport is being rolled out. Freedom passes are set to be introduced in the UK. Health Passport Ireland is being trialled all across the country and the government is set to analyse the results. So all the signs point to it being rolled out in some form. Especially considering what was described as the great success of the trial in that small Roscommon town.

I agree. I'd be happy to do that.

London already has a freedom pass.

Fighting Tao

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

London already has a freedom pass.

It’s great that the freedom pass is being rolled out in all of the uk. It gives so many people access to transport.

Obvious lack of research and ignorance of the subject again by a conspiracy theorist. Can I still call them conspiracy theorists when they can’t identify any conspiracy, or what should they be called?

Quiner

Fighting Tao wrote: »

It’s great that the freedom pass is being rolled out in all of the uk. It gives so many people access to transport.

Obvious lack of research and ignorance of the subject again by a conspiracy theorist. Can I still call them conspiracy theorists when they can’t identify any conspiracy, or what should they be called?

Or perhaps I was referring to the one described in this article: https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/maajid-nawaz/coronavirus-freedom-passes-breach-of-civil-liberties-vaccine/

Quiner

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8974617/amp/Britons-test-negative-Covid-twice-week-set-receive-freedom-pass.html

More on the freedom pass 'conspiracy theory'.

Fighting Tao

Quiner wrote: »

Or perhaps I was referring to the one described in this article: https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/maajid-nawaz/coronavirus-freedom-passes-breach-of-civil-liberties-vaccine/

Not the first time you got names of things mixed up.

skooterblue2

aido79 wrote: »

Please clarify what is the urban myth to you.

That Covid 19 is killing million world wide. The deaths in Italy were mostly people over 80, smokers with 2 or more pre existing conditions. 99.94% are recovering. IF you are 80+ a smoker and two or more prexisting conditions.... you are on borrowed time.

robinph

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I never claimed to have studied over homeopathy. I own a large collection of books but claim never to have studied it.

So you know nothing about homeopathy, have a load of books, haven't read them, don't know anything about the qualification that some guy giving you homeopathy treatments has, don't know anything about what is in what they are giving you and this same person is presumably the one who has been telling you about mercury and aluminium in vaccines?

Can you potentially see a conflict of interest there? Someone is trying to sell you something, won't tell you what's in it or how it works, but they are also telling not to belive medical science?

Whilst your GP has been certified by national bodies, there is a strict set of protocols they have to follow, they have passed multiple medical exams and you could confirm the qualifications if you so wished, they provide treatments based on science that is open for anyone else (who can understand it) to question, the drugs they provide are all controlled, there is extensive testing on those drugs, the ingredients of the drugs are published, the effects (both positive and negative) of the drugs are published and the pricing of the drugs is regulated.

Now who is the more suitable person to ask for advice on medical matters?

Fighting Tao

skooterblue2 wrote: »

That Covid 19 is killing million world wide. The deaths in Italy were mostly people over 80, smokers with 2 or more pre existing conditions. 99.94% are recovering. IF you are 80+ a smoker and two or more prexisting conditions.... you are on borrowed time.

So you think it is alright to tell elderly etc to go fcuk themselves as their lives are not important?

Don’t forget those people who don’t have underlying issues that are still very sick months after getting covid, or have died from it too.

Quiner

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Not the first time you got names of things mixed up.

I didn't get the name mixed up. I was being sarcastic. So yet another "conspiracy theory" comes to pass.

Quiner

Fighting Tao wrote: »

So you think it is alright to tell elderly etc to go fcuk themselves as their lives are not important?

Don’t forget those people who don’t have underlying issues that are still very sick months after getting covid, or have died from it too.

No, but it's also not ok to tell two young mothers that their lives are not important by cancelling appointments and pausing chemo treatment because of the covid obsession. One tragically died as aged 31, the other young lady, 23, has months to live. It's awful.

Fighting Tao

Quiner wrote: »

I didn't get the name mixed up. I was being sarcastic. So yet another "conspiracy theory" comes to pass.

It suits conspiracy theorists to twist facts, leave out words etc. It is to create doubt and uncertainty.

Quiner

Fighting Tao wrote: »

It suits conspiracy theorists to twist facts, leave out words etc. It is to create doubt and uncertainty.

I called it a freedom pass. It's not my fault you confused it with a different freedom pass. The formerly free West is looking at a future of freedom passes, lockdowns for potentially years, and green, orange and red lights in the form of Health Passport Ireland, or one of the other health passports that are being rolled out as we speak.

robinph

Quiner wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8974617/amp/Britons-test-negative-Covid-twice-week-set-receive-freedom-pass.html

More on the freedom pass 'conspiracy theory'.

So when do you see this being setup and available to people?

If someone were to get 2 tests a week, every week, at the moment then all they would be doing is wasting resources. Even if they did have this pass to do things, they still can't do whatever it is until everyone else has a pass as well. They would be in a very lonely club of one and nothing to do.

To have such a system working they would need to be testing maybe 50% of the population, twice a week, every week. So 70 million odd tests per week. Since this whole thing started the UK has only carried out 48 million tests in 10 months, and you think that they will be doing more than that per week?

Even if it was possible to test at that scale, long before you reach that level of testing you should be in a position to eliminate covid through isolating the active cases and stopping the spread... So rendering the idea of a pass to get out and do stuff pointless.

skooterblue2

robinph wrote: »

So you know nothing about homeopathy, have a load of books, haven't read them, don't know anything about the qualification that some guy giving you homeopathy treatments has, don't know anything about what is in what they are giving you and this same person is presumably the one who has been telling you about mercury and aluminium in vaccines?

Can you potentially see a conflict of interest there? Someone is trying to sell you something, won't tell you what's in it or how it works, but they are also telling not to belive medical science?

Whilst your GP has been certified by national bodies, there is a strict set of protocols they have to follow, they have passed multiple medical exams and you could confirm the qualifications if you so wished, they provide treatments based on science that is open for anyone else (who can understand it) to question, the drugs they provide are all controlled, there is extensive testing on those drugs, the ingredients of the drugs are published, the effects (both positive and negative) of the drugs are published and the pricing of the drugs is regulated.

Now who is the more suitable person to ask for advice on medical matters?

I never asked him where he qualified from in homeopathy. I know where he qualified from acupuncture college.

Well if it took the GP 6 weeks to work out it was sarcoidosis, and the Homeopath had me back in school after a week in a half. Who do I trust?

Quiner

robinph wrote: »

So when do you see this being setup and available to people?

If someone were to get 2 tests a week, every week, at the moment then all they would be doing is wasting resources. Even if they did have this pass to do things, they still can't do whatever it is until everyone else has a pass as well. They would be in a very lonely club of one and nothing to do.

To have such a system working they would need to be testing maybe 50% of the population, twice a week, every week. So 70 million odd tests per week. Since this whole thing started the UK has only carried out 48 million tests in 10 months, and you think that they will be doing more than that per week?

Even if it was possible to test at that scale, long before you reach that level of testing you should be in a position to eliminate covid through isolating the active cases and stopping the spread... So rendering the idea of a pass to get out and do stuff pointless.

Never, I hope, but we could see the passes being issued from January on. They've been working on them for months. The curious thing is that they are denying that they have plans to introduce them, but it's likely they will introduce them.

I agree it'd be a waste of resources. I believe it's a dystopian and crazy idea, but I also believe that this has always been about controlling people. And they're beginning to step things up. The Great Reset is coming up, so expect to see more dystopian ideas emerge in the coming months.

skooterblue2

Fighting Tao wrote: »

So you think it is alright to tell elderly etc to go fcuk themselves as their lives are not important?

Don’t forget those people who don’t have underlying issues that are still very sick months after getting covid, or have died from it too.

When you are 80 plus have you have had a good life, your time is up. It could be a bad flu, a sharp fall, an infection or just your heart wall are paper thin and just give out. When my time will be up I will go too but not because of some sort of Government sponsored cull.

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I never asked him where he qualified from in homeopathy. I know where he qualified from acupuncture college.

Well if it took the GP 6 weeks to work out it was sarcoidosis, and the Homeopath had me back in school after a week in a half. Who do I trust?

That's more like saying that you trust a guy who hits a tv once and the reception comes back over the person who installs the dish or repairs a tv. You don't even seem to know what the placebo effect is...

Fighting Tao

skooterblue2 wrote: »

When you are 80 plus have you have had a good life, your time is up. It could be a bad flu, a sharp fall, an infection or just your heart wall are paper thin and just give out. When my time will be up I will go too but not because of some sort of Government sponsored cull.

You appear to lack empathy. Condemning the old and sick to death. If there was a government cull they would have been let die before covid. You just want to cull them for the craic as they have no value to you. Thankfully the government and vast majority are not like you.

Btw, any of those things could kill anyone of any age too.

skooterblue2

Deleted User wrote: »

That's more like saying that you trust a guy who hits a tv once and the reception comes back over the person who installs the dish or repairs a tv. You don't even seem to know what the placebo effect is...

Well the doctor was tinkering with it for 6 months and hadnt a clue but the homeopath knew. How you explain the show over the left lung going ? I was up all night hocking up phlegm for a few months. Then the phlegm clears up in a week and back to school in three more days and putting on weight?

ohnonotgmail

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Well the doctor was tinkering with it for 6 months and hadnt a clue but the homeopath knew. How you explain the show over the left lung going ? I was up all night hocking up phlegm for a few months. Then the phlegm clears up in a week and back to school in three more days and putting on weight?

homeopathy relies entirely on the placebo effect. there is no scientific basis for any of it.