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Club Secretary Thread
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11-11-2020 9:13pm#1
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Not currently a club secretary myself, but have been in the past, and still involved in admin, so hope it's okay to join in here.
We're a rural club too and are waiting and hoping for the opportunity to hold a "regular" type of AGM as well. Zoom (or similar) might be fine in theory, but wouldn't work well for many of the people who'd have to be involved here.0 -
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callaway92 wrote: »Data/Analysis solutions for Team Performance
There we go.
To be honest, it's probably way above the level of 90% or more of "ordinary" grassroots GAA clubs. We get the odd email about it ourselves (maybe even from you!), but it's not something we've ever seriously considered.
You might have more hope at inter-county level, but obviously there's only a limited number of potential customers there, and many of them might already have this looked after already.0 -
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Uncle Pierre wrote: »There we go.
To be honest, it's probably way above the level of 90% or more of "ordinary" grassroots GAA clubs. We get the odd email about it ourselves (maybe even from you!), but it's not something we've ever seriously considered.
You might have more hope at inter-county level, but obviously there's only a limited number of potential customers there, and many of them might already have this looked after already.
There is definitely a market there for Clubs though.
I'd obviously worry about the money they can spend but minimal analysis is still up for grabs and would be beneficial in my eyes anyway to what they do themselves.
Any club that takes themselves seriously should have it for their own analysis. Bigger clubs/Counties should have it then for player scouting/opposition analysis, insights etc.
In regards to Teams having it anyway. There's nothing at a decent level (from my knowledge).0 -
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Uncle Pierre wrote: »There we go.
To be honest, it's probably way above the level of 90% or more of "ordinary" grassroots GAA clubs. We get the odd email about it ourselves (maybe even from you!), but it's not something we've ever seriously considered.
You might have more hope at inter-county level, but obviously there's only a limited number of potential customers there, and many of them might already have this looked after already.
I dont see how it would be way above level of that many clubs and what are "ordinary" clubs btw?
A huge percentage of clubs senior sides as well as top intermediate sides would use video analysis if they can get it. Plenty of junior sides may think about it as well depending on the club, interest from coaches, players etc.0 -
Lost Ormond wrote: »I dont see how it would be way above level of that many clubs and what are "ordinary" clubs btw?
A huge percentage of clubs senior sides as well as top intermediate sides would use video analysis if they can get it. Plenty of junior sides may think about it as well depending on the club, interest from coaches, players etc.
Jaysus. Out of everything I wrote above, I didn't think I'd be called on define what I mean by "ordinary club". But I'll let that one go, unless you really want to get into it.
For what it's worth, we've had just about all matches videoed ourselves for a good few years now, and team management and a couple of others review them all closely. I know many other "ordinary" (!) clubs do the same. But we've never considered engaging and paying for a professional third party to do the review and analysis.
Maybe we're just guilty of a misperception that it would be too expensive. Wonder if the poster here might be able to give a ballpark figure of what typical fees might be? And if that brings into the scope of what an "ordinary"
club might consider affordable after all, then that might change things.... 0 -
Uncle Pierre wrote: »Jaysus. Out of everything I wrote above, I didn't think I'd be called on define what I mean by "ordinary club". But I'll let that one go, unless you really want to get into it.
For what it's worth, we've had just about all matches videoed ourselves for a good few years now, and team management and a couple of others review them all closely. I know many other "ordinary" (!) clubs do the same. But we've never considered engaging and paying for a professional third party to do the review and analysis.
Maybe we're just guilty of a misperception that it would be too expensive. Wonder if the poster here might be able to give a ballpark figure of what typical fees might be? And if that brings into the scope of what an "ordinary" club might consider affordable after all, then that might change things....
Having someone else beyond the regular coaching team review the tapes etc can bring something very different. different set of eyes and all that
Doing video yourself can be done but do you break down the video like the third party can do?
And you keep saying ordinary clubs. what is that and what makes a club be more than an ordinary club?0 -
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callaway92 wrote: »But ‘Video’ analysis is absolute bottom of the barrel stuff and kinda embarrassing to hear in 2021.
Again, even having worked with Amateur Rugby teams in the past (based in South Africa), video analysis is the absolute minimum that should be done.
Insights from a data provider, opposition analysis, pre/post match insights and scouting all are what is needed these days.
Teams not wishing to use it will simply fall behind. There’s no need to hire a million analysts for your own team then as a provider would be doing it for you.
Hi again.
Look, realistic bottom line is that it would be a money thing.
I can obviously and immediately see the benefits that a service like yours could bring to our club. Could give us a significant advantage over our rivals and put us in a much better position to challenge for a senior county title.
But whether or not we could actually afford it is the key consideration. Any chance of a ballpark figure at all? PM me if you prefer. Would genuinely be interested to find out.0 -
Uncle Pierre wrote: »Hi again.
Look, realistic bottom line is that it would be a money thing.
I can obviously and immediately see the benefits that a service like yours could bring to our club. Could give us a significant advantage over our rivals and put us in a much better position to challenge for a senior county title.
But whether or not we could actually afford it is the key consideration. Any chance of a ballpark figure at all? PM me if you prefer. Would genuinely be interested to find out.
Yeh 100% money is the bottom line. There’s no two ways about that.
If you were at a club that had the money and don’t want to hear about the ideas though it’s an issue for sure. Same with Secretarys not passing the message on etc.
Ballpark figures would depend on the level of data required but I could supply numbers anyway just for a quick look.
Media is where the bigger money is at then.0 -
As a former club secretary myself - and as somebody who's married to our current one! - let me say it's not necessarily that such messages aren't passed on. Instead, it's that they're just not replied to, if the club isn't interested enough to start making inquiries.
As regards a ballpark figure...understand it would depend on level of data/analysis required...can we simplify it by asking for a ballpark figure for the minimum level you'd recommend for a club operating at senior level in their county championship?
Heading out for a few hours now, for duties including ones linked to return to adult training tonight, but will be back later. And am still curious. 0 -
Uncle Pierre wrote: »As a former club secretary myself - and as somebody who's married to our current one! - let me say it's not necessarily that such messages aren't passed on. Instead, it's that they're just not replied to, if the club isn't interested enough to start making inquiries.
As regards a ballpark figure...understand it would depend on level of data/analysis required...can we simplify it by asking for a ballpark figure for the minimum level you'd recommend for a club operating at senior level in their county championship?
Heading out for a few hours now, for duties including ones linked to return to adult training tonight, but will be back later. And am still curious.
That's kinda where my worries were though, as in, are the secretarys actually passing on the brochures etc.
Minimum level for Senior Hurling club would be:
- Analysis for their own players/matches only
- On receipt of video and lineups from the club, data would be available within an agreed contracted length of time, likely 72-96 hours for a lower scale team
- Lowest level of data points available would be (all offensive): Puckouts, Dead-Balls, Shots, Cards. They would all have XY data too (which is the most important part then given that the Products available allow for some nice in-depth searches then, depending on the data you're permissioned for.
- Access to Products where Player stats etc are freely available for what the team is permissioned for
That would likely be in-and-around €1,000 depending on how many matches that team would be expecting.
If a team required more in-depth data for matches that aren't generally covered (and therefore need more people coding them), it would reach about €4,000-€5,000.
For counties we do vary from sport-to-sport but we do have Camogie Teams paying €8,000+ and Men's Hurling and Football paying €12,000+, however, they use extra Products that clubs wouldn't have use for anyway (ie club player scouting)
For the sake of an €800-€1,200 investment, it's a no-brainer for clubs from my opinion and experience anyway.0 -
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