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Round Bale unroller

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭49801


    Another approach is a powered walk behind fork... never seen one used though. Still labor but take some of the weight out of it.

    https://youtu.be/ZZiV7I3lSU4

    Guess a donor wheel unit from a plant hire place like a tiller unit. Then fabricate prongs to the Frame.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭ruwithme


    This thread has me thinking of a bale splitter. (Must be winter time,all this time &thinking)
    Priced a mchale today. €1575 inc vat.

    Seems a good tool going by reports on here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,336 ✭✭✭obi604


    Out of interest. We have a MF 4355 ->> 2 wheel drive. 2004. Is this strong enough/capable to lift a round bale with a front loader?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,802 ✭✭✭893bet


    49801 wrote: »
    Another approach is a powered walk behind fork... never seen one used though. Still labor but take some of the weight out of it.

    https://youtu.be/ZZiV7I3lSU4

    Guess a donor wheel unit from a plant hire place like a tiller unit. Then fabricate prongs to the Frame.

    The last invention for keeping the crush gate open.

    Badly needed on every farm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    893bet wrote: »
    The last invention for keeping the crush gate open.

    Badly needed on every farm.

    I didn't quite catch where they can be bought, be very useful here, normally tie the crushgate open. Anyone any idea? Google wasn't much help but I could be searching for the wrong thing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,845 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    obi604 wrote: »
    Out of interest. We have a MF 4355 ->> 2 wheel drive. 2004. Is this strong enough/capable to lift a round bale with a front loader?

    Bales are now around 800kg. Don't think any two wheel drive should be lifting them in front.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭hopeso


    I didn't quite catch where they can be bought, be very useful here, normally tie the crushgate open. Anyone any idea? Google wasn't much help but I could be searching for the wrong thing.

    Google gave me this:
    Liam Murphy, trading as 'Unique Inventions Company', can be contacted at 086 2203054


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    893bet wrote: »
    The last invention for keeping the crush gate open.

    Badly needed on every farm.

    We took the spring out of them. Couldn’t see the need for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭lab man


    49801 wrote: »
    Another approach is a powered walk behind fork... never seen one used though. Still labor but take some of the weight out of it.

    https://youtu.be/ZZiV7I3lSU4

    Guess a donor wheel unit from a plant hire place like a tiller unit. Then fabricate prongs to the Frame.
    I have one of those scrapers they are a great tool in fairness but not ment to break up bales anyway you cant get them now as newer ones are lighter and away slower and not as powerful as I have the new type which are a waste of money


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Panch18


    trabpc wrote: »
    Have to agree. Especially in the beef game. I think all those unwinders are unnecessary. Only make extra work. As for forking one bale across several barriers...... madness. One bale per barrier. Left in one piece it stays fresh. It's all the forking out that introduces air and potential to go off. Pic attached is 3 days after bale fed. Just push last bit on day 3 not a fork/ sprang/ grape in sight

    Hallelujah

    That’s the way it should be done!!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Panch18


    obi604 wrote: »
    Try telling this to my aul lad. He just applies no common sense at all and likes to do things in the most awkward way.

    But as was said earlier, probably to do with just keeping himself occupied and something to do or the perception he is doing good work etc.

    The bale at each bay....... So you just push the bale in to the middle of each bay right against the wall/barrier? and let them eat away at it?

    Is the bale lying the way it comes out of the baler or in an upright position?

    Do you do any forking at all.....like spread it out a bit?

    Have the flat side of the bale facing the barrier so that the top of it will fall to the side across in front of the barrier.

    Keeping the bale together means it keeps much fresher

    Also keeping the bale together makes it much harder to pull in the silage


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Panch18


    obi604 wrote: »
    Out of interest. We have a MF 4355 ->> 2 wheel drive. 2004. Is this strong enough/capable to lift a round bale with a front loader?

    Ah it should be ok if the yard is fairly even and you have a good weight on the back

    Obviously 4wd is more desirable, but I think you’d be fine. Keep the front axle well greased


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    hopeso wrote: »
    Google gave me this:
    Liam Murphy, trading as 'Unique Inventions Company', can be contacted at 086 2203054

    You are a star, thank you, will try that number in the morning. I'd found an old thread here with http://www.uniqueinventionsco.ie/ as the supplier but no longer a viable website so I was stuck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭49801


    obi604 wrote: »
    Out of interest. We have a MF 4355 ->> 2 wheel drive. 2004. Is this strong enough/capable to lift a round bale with a front loader?

    Sister tractor lifting them fine but is 4 wd https://youtu.be/V2uDMj--
    Used lift bales fine with a 2wd db995. Not a boss of it but could do it.

    Weight block recommended weather 2wd or 4wd which could be bale on a bale spike.
    Just don't be driving too quick over rough ground with a weight on the front loader over a distance. Then you start breaking things.

    If you can pickup a loader with brackets that fit without much modification you'd be away on a hack.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭ruwithme


    It obviously works for you panch,but I've often wondered when I've seen bales just placed up to the barriers in sheds,would the intake of feed be as good that way,as opposed to giving them fresh supply twice a day.

    Stock like to see you coming to the shed,knowing their getting fresh fodder as to pulling outta the bale parked up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,845 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    ruwithme wrote: »
    It obviously works for you panch,but I've often wondered when I've seen bales just placed up to the barriers in sheds,would the intake of feed be as good that way,as opposed to giving them fresh supply twice a day.

    Stock like to see you coming to the shed,knowing their getting fresh fodder as to pulling outta the bale parked up.

    Think that's more for you than the animals. With chopped bales nowadays there isn't much to the pulling.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭twin_beacon


    trabpc wrote: »
    Have to agree. Especially in the beef game. I think all those unwinders are unnecessary. Only make extra work. As for forking one bale across several barriers...... madness. One bale per barrier. Left in one piece it stays fresh. It's all the forking out that introduces air and potential to go off. Pic attached is 3 days after bale fed. Just push last bit on day 3 not a fork/ sprang/ grape in sight

    With a shed like yours there, there is no real advantage in having a bale unwinder. A bale to each bay, and keep it pushed in with the loader. However, in tight back to back sheds, its not as straight forward. We did that for many years, but wouldn't go back to it now. If the unwinder didn't work for us, it would have been on done deal years ago. Its rare to see it off our tractor for more than a few hours from October to April.

    I can't see how it makes extra work? we spend the same amount of time feeding cattle per week now as we did with the old system. The only difference now is every day it takes the same amount of time to feed as we end up feeding 1.5 - 2 bales per day, every day. Previously, every third day we'd be putting a bale at every bay which took time, but the following two days had much less work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 173 ✭✭Madisonmenece


    Would round feeders work, we feed bales exclusively for the the last 20 odd years and went from feed barrier to round feeders.

    While I dislike handling them and shifting them there is no piking silage and higher density space utilisation than head feed.

    Bale unwinders and the loader attach for retaining plastic/netting seem high cost and perhaps performance with flatter bales may be an issue


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭minerleague


    Do any of these manufacturers give out demo machines for a week? No harm in ringing to find out??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,336 ✭✭✭obi604


    obi - how often do you put in a bale to them cattle?

    Are you only putting in 1 bale for the full length of the shed and then graiping it to each pen?

    Also, I didn't notice, but what tractor do you have?


    Hi. More a less 1 bale a day. Bale placed in middle of shed and dished out (pulled and dragged) to the cattle with a fork.

    Have a Massey 4355. 2 wheel drive. No front loader etc.
    Just a basic rear bale lifter.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    ^ Would you not be better off putting in 3 bales at a time when you're forking out? We normally put in 2x a time & throw out to three pens but if weather is forecast bad we stick in 3 so we don't have to be mooching about for bales in the rain.
    Dragging off one bale is just hardship!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭hopeso


    You are a star, thank you, will try that number in the morning. I'd found an old thread here with http://www.uniqueinventionsco.ie/ as the supplier but no longer a viable website so I was stuck.

    Any luck with that number?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    hopeso wrote: »
    Any luck with that number?

    Straight to voicemail but it is the correct number so I left a message. I see over on FB there's a landline number so if I don't get a reply to the voicemail I'll try the landline :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,336 ✭✭✭obi604


    ^ Would you not be better off putting in 3 bales at a time when you're forking out? We normally put in 2x a time & throw out to three pens but if weather is forecast bad we stick in 3 so we don't have to be mooching about for bales in the rain.
    Dragging off one bale is just hardship!




    would be, I just have to convince a certain individual :)
    the old school lads seem to love hardship, lol :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,336 ✭✭✭obi604


    Would he even meet you half way and put in two bales as a starting point - one between 1st & 2nd bay and the other between the 3rd and 4th bay, about 1ft out to stop them pulling it into the slats?
    With cattle like that - the silage wouldn't get much of a chance to spoil.

    A splitter would be no use to you unless you can get in perpendicular to the feed gates as it splits the bale like an open book.
    My thoughts on the rotospike is that although it will loosen the bale up for you it would seem like you have little control over the distribution of the silage. Dry bales and wet bales will unroll differently and more than likely wet bales would fall off before you want them to.

    However, a concern I have with the unroller is that you are driving along the feedgate watching the unrolling. Hungry cattle are sticking their head out to try and get fed - strong possibility that are some stage a head will get caught in the gate by the tractor wheel. I've seen it happen here - you can't have eyes looking everywhere.

    So, for the rotospike you need to vary your forward speed based on the unravelling of the bale - if you unravel far enough out that you won't catch a head, you'll still be graiping the full bale for the 4 bays.
    For the unroller - I'd want one with an extension chute so you can stay away from the heads and concentrate on the feeding.

    It would seem that an roller is around 4.5k - 5k and a rotospike is approx 1k.

    TBH - I would try putting in a couple of bales first and see how that goes. If you had a spike I would tell you to set the bale down and then lift it half way up to separate it and that would make what bit of graiping you have to do easier. The cattle eating at it too should help prevent it get awkward to shift.

    Who puts in the bales - you or your father? If it is him (as he seems to be doing the graiping) would he be fit to work an unroller?


    Will try and get him to meet halfway, but sounds like way too much common sense :)
    how do you mean "With cattle like that"

    yeah, cant really get in perpendicular.
    I know what you mean with the unroller, very easy to catch an animals hed etc

    Father puts the bales in. I think the unroller is a non runner at this stage, he will see the cost as way too dear.

    think best option is to get him to put more bales out :)

    what do you mean by this:

    "TBH - I would try putting in a couple of bales first and see how that goes. If you had a spike I would tell you to set the bale down and then lift it half way up to separate it and that would make what bit of graiping you have to do easier. The cattle eating at it too should help prevent it get awkward to shift."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    obi604 wrote: »
    would be, I just have to convince a certain individual :)
    the old school lads seem to love hardship, lol :)

    If I can convince my father, you can do it too!!
    You just have to make him think it's his idea....:p


    "Dad I was thinking of getting one of those bale unrollers but they're fierce expensive, it'd be much cheaper to put in 2bales (or three) at once. Then we'd only be using the tractor once a week to put in the bales & we could have more time to fix fencing/look at neighbours stock/watch TV (delete as appropriate) "

    We'd been putting in bales similar to your set up for 20 years or so, only got a front loader last summer on the new (to us) tractor. Working in a very narrow passage & door too. As mentioned above, I'd be terrified of catching a head in the barrier, still am when reversing out of the shed after dropping bales in & that's when I can fully concentrate on the cattle, not looking behind me as well!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭twin_beacon



    However, a concern I have with the unroller is that you are driving along the feedgate watching the unrolling. Hungry cattle are sticking their head out to try and get fed - strong possibility that are some stage a head will get caught in the gate by the tractor wheel. I've seen it happen here - you can't have eyes looking everywhere.


    yea, thats a real danger.
    There is a lad that makes them in longford, his one can be moved more the the right or left of the tractor. The drawback is that it requires another spool valve, which means you need 3 spools as you need the hydraulic top link too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,336 ✭✭✭obi604


    If I can convince my father, you can do it too!!
    You just have to make him think it's his idea....:p


    "Dad I was thinking of getting one of those bale unrollers but they're fierce expensive, it'd be much cheaper to put in 2bales (or three) at once. Then we'd only be using the tractor once a week to put in the bales & we could have more time to fix fencing/look at neighbours stock/watch TV (delete as appropriate) "

    We'd been putting in bales similar to your set up for 20 years or so, only got a front loader last summer on the new (to us) tractor. Working in a very narrow passage & door too. As mentioned above, I'd be terrified of catching a head in the barrier, still am when reversing out of the shed after dropping bales in & that's when I can fully concentrate on the cattle, not looking behind me as well!




    this made me laugh :)

    but may work .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,336 ✭✭✭obi604


    Strong cattle like that will eat the silage up clean before it gets a chance to spoil.




    If you had a spike you could stab the bale partially and lift it, this would break up and loosen the bale making it easier to graip out instead of having to go around it like a swiss roll. Well packed tight bales can be a nightmare to graip. Attack them with a spike and break them up before graiping out.


    thats what we end up doing, put bale up on its side (like an upright tin can) and go round and round it like unraveling a swiss rool and then fork it up along the bays.



    noted on the spike.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    obi604 wrote: »
    this made me laugh :)

    but may work .

    Working with contrary auld farmers is my speciality :D
    As mentioned above, you can break apart the bale with the spike, challenge the father to do it!


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