Vladimir Putin to stand down

US2

Seems to have developed Parkinson's disease. Really sad news for Russia. Who will replace him? Turbulent times ahead for Russia you'd imagine.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1356795/putin-resign-next-year-russia-president-kremlin-health-concerns-vladimir-parkinsons-ont

basill

Ya what? Do you have any idea the background of Putin before entering into politics? Surely you are taking the mick.

gmisk

US2 wrote: »

Seems to have developed Parkinson's disease. Really sad news for Russia. Who will replace him? Turbulent times ahead for Russia you'd imagine.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1356795/putin-resign-next-year-russia-president-kremlin-health-concerns-vladimir-parkinsons-ont

Sad news for Russia?
If he is off the scene anyone who challenges him might not suddenly disappear or die...
He is a dictator in all but name.

biko

I'll believe it when I see it.

super_furry

Turbulent times ahead alright. Nature abhors a vacuum, even one that has been filled by a dictator.

_Brian

Parkinsons is a terrible disease.

But there is some irony in this since he just last year forced through legislation making his reign essentially lifelong.

Karma’s a biitch baby !!

Spore

Gonna need a more reliable source on this. The express continually tell the world Kim Jong Un is dead, a vegetable etc. only for the Kimster to reemerge fatter and more bellicose then ever before

Jimbob1977

Some countries prefer being ruled by a single "hard man".

His popularity rates are extremely high.

Personally, I think we are lucky in Ireland with our democratic system.... despite our flaws.

ancapailldorcha

Putin and those like him are a corrupt political cancer who have strangled Russia for decades. I'm not happy to hear that he may be ill but he has no business whatsoever occupying any position of power there.

Ten of Swords

If it is true then my guess would be Dmitry Medvedev would be the most logical replacement for him. They have alternated the roles of President and Prime Minister before, back in 2008

timmyntc

Any proof other than a tabloid rag?

completedit

I have a lot of time for Vladimir. We don't understand Russia or their history enough to know why he's loved there. He was a man I think who started off good but absolute power corrupts absolutely.

US2

super_furry wrote: »

Turbulent times ahead alright. Nature abhors a vacuum, even one that has been filled by a dictator.

Exactly. Sad news for Russia. I've been there 3 times, in Moscow, one of the nicest places I've been. There will be caos when he goes.

US2

Democracy isn't suitable for everywhere as we have seen countless times.

ILoveYourVibes

basill wrote: »

Ya what? Do you have any idea the background of Putin before entering into politics? Surely you are taking the mick.

Parkinson's makes mortals out of any man.

paw patrol

completedit wrote: »

I have a lot of time for Vladimir. We don't understand Russia or their history enough to know why he's loved there. He was a man I think who started off good but absolute power corrupts absolutely.

he started off good but realised the geopolitics involved and that russia needed a hard man to survive and beat off the international finance vultures and American imperialism. He remaind a patriot to russia , many people outside russia just don't get that,



he'll be remembered as a hero of russia.

ILoveYourVibes

US2 wrote: »

Exactly. Sad news for Russia. I've been there 3 times, in Moscow, one of the nicest places I've been. There will be caos when he goes.

Everything has been so centralized through him.

He will name a successor I think. Or indicate and set one up ....

I would have said he was doing that already .....but then he changed the law to make it so he could lead forever ....just a while ago.

ILoveYourVibes

paw patrol wrote: »

he'll be remembered as a hero of russia.

He will be remembered as the next dictator wants him to be.

Ten of Swords

timmyntc wrote: »

Any proof other than a tabloid rag?

Multiple publications around the world reporting it but several cite the article in the Sun so that might be the origin

https://www.the-sun.com/news/1752270/vladamir-putin-resign-next-year-health/

Only places I see this reported are on the likes of the express and the sun sites as far back as 12 hours ago, you'd imagine this would be big news on the major channels by now 12 hours later if true.

ILoveYourVibes

Considering this news will hit the kremlin like a bomb ..i don't think russia would let it out without denying it by now.

Richard Hillman

I was only saying it to myself yesterday that in recent pictures of him he looked a bored or unhappy. Maybe he was just trying to keep his condition from being noticeable.

He did a great job with Russia. He made the country relevant on the big stage again. The country was finished in his early days, a total basket case. They found a way to make everyone take notice again without having to bulk up the armed forces to the extreme.

You'd be worried about the state of Russia after he goes. He keeps Russia together. He keeps Chechnya and Dagestan in their box by saying you can do what you want down there but if the rest of the country is affected, the angel of death will be arriving. That's how Russia is run, that's how it has to be run. And that's how Russians want Russia to be run.

Medvedev or whoever else is in the running, need to take their dick out early doors. No inch given to the smaller Republics. A sharp reminder that you govern your Republic, but if it spills outside of it, the Army will be rolling in.

AnniePowwa

be careful what you wish for, the world would be a safer place if saddam and gaddafi were still in charge

"Really sad news for Russia" my hind quarters, he had successfully repressed freedom of speech and threatened journalists who dare attack his policies in print. And that's before we get into numerous murders of high profile critics of the Kremlin. The cognitive dissonance of "I admire Trump therefore I admire Putin although he is a communist strongman, the very ideology I despise in every other context i.e. welfare state. Ah shure he's a good dictator, the rest of them are bad because they don't publicly advocate the Donald". Take a run and jump lads.

Ten of Swords

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Considering this news will hit the kremlin like a bomb ..i don't think russia would let it out without denying it by now.

This must have been known well in advance and plans put in place, otherwise Valery Solovei (named in the article) would be in big trouble for leaking that :eek:

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

Only places I see this reported are on the likes of the express and the sun sites as far back as 12 hours ago, you'd imagine this would be big news on the major channels by now 12 hours later if true.

Daily Mail has it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8919975/Putin-quit-January-amid-fears-Parkinsons-disease-Moscow-sources-claim.html

Not a sure thing ..certainly.

druss

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Considering this news will hit the kremlin like a bomb ..i don't think russia would let it out without denying it by now.

Which they have. Russian News Agency has quotes from Kremlin denying the Sun story.

Gatling

Karma !

Russia will fall into chaos his style of kgb era control are coming to an end, with the ageing population of former communist party members shrinking yearly ,the younger more liberal politicians and policies will be pushed to the fore , maybe the country can revive it's fortunes in the next half decade

ancapailldorcha

Gatling wrote: »

Karma !

Russia will fall into chaos his style of kgb era control are coming to an end, with the ageing population of former communist party members shrinking yearly ,the younger more liberal politicians and policies will be pushed to the fore , maybe the country can revive it's fortunes in the next half decade

Fingers crossed. The place is a kip. Parts of the major cities look like they were only just bombed. All Putin has done is enrich himself and his cronies.

The source of the story appears to comments from Valery Solovey :rolleyes:

ILoveYourVibes

druss wrote: »

Which they have. Russian News Agency has quotes from Kremlin denying the Sun story.

Well there you go.

He still has to deal with Trump being out of power though...and whatever Biden decides to do.

Beasty

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Well there you go.

He still has to deal with Trump being out of power though...and whatever Biden decides to do.

Might be able to do a deal. Biden gets the White House, Trump takes over the Kremlin. Everybody's happy


:pac:

lemonTrees

_Brian wrote: »

Parkinsons is a terrible disease.

But there is some irony in this since he just last year forced through legislation making his reign essentially lifelong.

Karma’s a biitch baby !!

You seen like a nice person

Apiarist

completedit wrote: »

I have a lot of time for Vladimir. We don't understand Russia or their history enough to know why he's loved there. He was a man I think who started off good but absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Really, Putin is not difficult to understand. Unless you want to not understand.

On one hand, Putin is a mythical construct, not a person. He is governed by his PR advisors, as PR is understood in Kremlin. Read Victor Pelevin's books for the explanation on this point.

Secondly, Putin is a guarantor for the Eltsin's "family" fortunes. He was put into the presidential chair not to govern Russia as such, but to facilitate the continuous pillage of Russian assets by oligarchs.

Thirdly, do not think of the russian government as stupid or gullible. They are continuously monitoring their own popularity and acting to counter any popular protests by appeasing the masses or by killing off prominent opponents. The "strong man" image is just that. Eltsin was friendly with the USA and what did it get Russia? The economic default and ridicule on the world stage. So much better to be enemies with the USA, it is easy, not really economically taxing and shifts the blame for any problems on the American sanctions.

Putin dies? No problem, there are replacement Putins. Just not Medvedev, he is another mythical construct, designed to represent a "liberal president". He proved not to be popular enough, so he will not be chosen.

ZeroThreat

Well that's one less bolthole the Donald and his spawn have available to flee to come January..

imme

Ten of Swords wrote: »

If it is true then my guess would be Dmitry Medvedev would be the most logical replacement for him. They have alternated the roles of President and Prime Minister before, back in 2008

I think they had a subsequent falling out.

It was only the other day there was a headline that Russia was mulling an immunity for former presidents law.
I imagined there was method to their madness.

gmisk

Spore wrote: »

Gonna need a more reliable source on this. The express continually tell the world Kim Jong Un is dead, a vegetable etc. only for the Kimster to reemerge fatter and more bellicose then ever before

They really are the uk's national enquirer at this stage.
Minus the weekly stories about Cher being at deaths door..

Ten of Swords

imme wrote: »

I think they had a subsequent falling out.

Doubtful, Putin put him in charge of National Security this year, he's vice chair of the SBRF. If he'd fallen out of favor he'd have been sent to some civil servant role in the far east.

unkel

The richest man on the planet, takes a few percent of everything. But any credible politician / journalist saying that out loud and providing some proof risks being poisoned.

gmisk

AnniePowwa wrote: »

be careful what you wish for, the world would be a safer place if saddam and gaddafi were still in charge

Saddam?
Tell that to the Kurds in iraq....or the people of Saudi Arabia maybe...ffs
Gaddafi?
The people killed in lockerbie might also disagree.

cml387

druss wrote: »

Which they have. Russian News Agency has quotes from Kremlin denying the Sun story.

Never believe something until it has been officially denied.

US2

gmisk wrote: »

Saddam?
Tell that to the Kurds in iraq....or the people of Saudi Arabia maybe...ffs
Gaddafi?
The people killed in lockerbie might also disagree.

And the millions of people in Lybia would disagree with you. Both counties of course were not perfect, but alot better off than they are now.

Hangdogroad

US2 wrote: »

Seems to have developed Parkinson's disease. Really sad news for Russia. Who will replace him? Turbulent times ahead for Russia you'd imagine.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1356795/putin-resign-next-year-russia-president-kremlin-health-concerns-vladimir-parkinsons-ont

Sad news?

US2

Hangdogroad wrote: »

Sad news?

Sad for the general Russian population, yes. He does a great job of holding that country together. It's a wonderful country to live in despite what our leaders and media tell us. Putin leaving will have massive consequences

Gatling

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Fingers crossed. The place is a kip. Parts of the major cities look like they were only just bombed. All Putin has done is enrich himself and his cronies.

That's it , he went into power on a small industrial wage but will leave power a multibillionaire but yet owns no companies or created anything ,he's a thug and a thief nothing more

Cordell

He can retire with Trump and pleasure each other for the rest of their days. If this is the last we hear from them, the world's gonna be a better place.

randd1

Cordell wrote: »

He can retire with Trump and pleasure each other for the rest of their days. If this is the last we hear from them, the world's gonna be a better place.

Thank you for that rather disturbing image.

I was thinking of coming up with a plan to lose the few pounds I've gained over lockdown, but I've decided if I fancy eating something snacky or not so healthy, I'll use that image to completely put me off the food I was eyeing up.

You may be on to a winner here.

imme

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Doubtful, Putin put him in charge of National Security this year, he's vice chair of the SBRF. If he'd fallen out of favor he'd have been sent to some civil servant role in the far east.

Things aren't always what they seem it seems.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/15/dmitry-medvedev-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-robin-to-putins-batman

Putin is the Chair of the Security Council of Russia, making Medvedev the vice chair with a salary of $8,723.85,
That sounds like sending someone to Siberia without actually sending them to Siberia.

They are a pair of gangsters.

McGinniesta

US2 wrote: »

Seems to have developed Parkinson's disease. Really sad news for Russia. Who will replace him? Turbulent times ahead for Russia you'd imagine.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1356795/putin-resign-next-year-russia-president-kremlin-health-concerns-vladimir-parkinsons-ont

Russian leaders with Parkinson's disease stand down.

They win the democrat nomination in America.

Another thing, we finally have a story with some Russian collusion involved. The New York Times will have a field day with this.

screamer

Maybe it’s exposure to all that novichok he’s been brewing up for years that has taken its toll on him. Either way, he gets 0 sympathy.

Donald Trump

Not a good week for poor oul' Vlad.

Looks like he will also lose his control of the Whitehouse as well